sounds quite awesome, doesn't it? ;) hardling suprising, though - it's a double woo-berg! :D almost paradoxical, considering magic's rules won't let it stand a Wrath of God^^
FreakyM
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0)(5 votes)
Cool art, cool creature, ridiculous ability and a million ways to get rid of it nevertheless. Quite Timmylicious, though. You DONT want to see this on the table without you having one of those aforementioned ways to kill it..
chicho27
★☆☆☆☆ (1.1/5.0)(5 votes)
Very over the top. Although i am not too fond of the art.
Arvesius
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(5 votes)
Yeah, with the Death Cloud and mono-white control decks with Runed Halo out there it'll be rough, even some random COP Red from the sideboard is bad news for it.
I'll just cross my fingers that Progenitus can make it in Vintage! (Not with me playing of course).
Ixidors_Heir
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0)(5 votes)
Loonier than a Canadian mint and nuttier than a football field full of almonds. And I'm not talking specifically about the power level. It's crazy in every respect.
SkinnyO
★★★☆☆ (3.1/5.0)(4 votes)
Alright this card is literally the cheese. If there is anything to be said in this case its the mana cost. If you moan about a card costing 8 mana (I.E. Nico Bolas, Plains) then this is extreme. Either way there are ways around paying costs so, this is a card most should aspire to own.
YTK
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(5 votes)
I'd gladly collect a playset just for the art on the card. The entire flavor of the card is great in my opinion.
PatrickWamsher
★★★☆☆ (3.4/5.0)(6 votes)
I got this card in a Release tournament and was playing it reliably several times. when I got it out it was essentially game over then and there
Oleander
★☆☆☆☆ (1.1/5.0)(18 votes)
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't protection from everything indeed give it protection from everything? The card says "protection from everything," not "protection from everything except Wrath of God." Wrath of God falls under white sorcery in the "everything" category, so I would think Progenitus can withstand it. If a Soltari Priest, Burrenton Forge Tender, and any other protection from red creature is unharmed by blanket red spells like Pyroclasm and Volcanic Fallout, then the same holds true for Progenitus when confronted with Wrath of God and the ilk. If Progenitus is not immunne to all spells, that defeats the purpose of him being an awe-inspiring mythic rare.
Guest1266442913
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(7 votes)
Protection just means a card can't be targeted, damaged, enchanted, or blocked. It is still affected by spells and abilities that don't target cards, such as Wrath of God.
thaviel
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(8 votes)
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't protection from everything indeed give it protection from everything? The card says "protection from everything," not "protection from everything except Wrath of God." - Oleander (3
Problem is that protection doesn't give a indestructible effect, so although it can't be damaged by anything and it can't be targeted by anything. wrath of god doesn't do damage or target it. It's been my long held belief that protection should be given a indestructible from what it is protected from.
jjanderson2004
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(10 votes)
I do believe that protection from EVERYTHING means protection from everything. this includes sorcerys, creatures, colors, enchantments, instants, and lands. Here is proof. Look up the card Mirror Golem it gives protection to a card's types, meaning that protection can be given against anything the game has to offer. In short, Oleander is correct. Progenitus can withstand wrath of god.
machtung7
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(3 votes)
My answer to this card was revealed just now: Hide and Seek =D Lay that down turn two when you play a deck you know has pro. and watch it go away. take your ten hp and smile =P
Humakt
★☆☆☆☆ (1.9/5.0)(8 votes)
Conflux FAQ: Protection from Everything
"Protection from everything" means the following:
* Progenitus can't be blocked. * Progenitus can't be enchanted or equipped. * Progenitus can't be the target of spells or abilities. * All damage that would be dealt to Progenitus is prevented.
Progenitus can still be affected by effects that don't target it or deal damage to it (such as Wrath of God). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So it's just like "Protection of all colors". This "everything" made quite a mess, and confused the magic community... well at least it do the trick and made it quite expensive on market.
Like Oleander said "If Progenitus is not immunne to all spells, that defeats the purpose of him being an awe-inspiring mythic rare." I second that
phantam
★☆☆☆☆ (1.1/5.0)(4 votes)
nicol bolas cant take control of this right?
mnDragon
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(7 votes)
No it is not invulnerable to the Wrath of God. Protection means that it can't be targeted by that effect. Since Wrath of God is a global effect, Progenitus can be affected. But the beautiful thing about this card is that it never makes it to the graveyard. It Can't be destroyed. It goes right back in your library and awaits you to recast it. It is the card of all cards and can with a little research, be cast for only 1 Mana!
redhaiku
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Fun for Natural Ordering out... also fun to Story Circle against... "Okay, I have protection from Progenitus."
Wrathofthemany
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0)(5 votes)
This card is easy to play if you have the right base. Dramatic Entrence which cost 6 mana its effect put a green creature on the field for free. Now you have a 10/10 with pro. everything. You can also put Mael Strom ArchAngel on the field for 5 every color. Then using mael strom arch angels ability put when mael storm arh angel deal damage put a creature into play for free. Now again you have progentus on the field. The mana cost might look a little daughting but there are a lot of ways to play it on your 6th turn while paying a a reasonably aray of mana
onlainari
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(14 votes)
The Goggles Artifact Creature The Goggles have protection from wrath of god. 0/1 "My eyes! The goggles do nothing!"
BrimandVormay
★☆☆☆☆ (1.1/5.0)(5 votes)
just because area effects can still hurt him isn't that important, especially if you have some of your own. try akroma's memorial, which by the rules would still give him all of its effects, including haste. by that definition, he could very well be one of the most powerful cards around. if you can manage an attack from Maelstrom Archangel, he would even be free! that sounds like a longshot, but with a jessian balmgiver making her unblockable she's a shoe in. those three together would make him almost the greatest card ever thought up, because he's totally unblockable and almost completely unkillable. wrath of god might be a tough one to go up against in the case of progenitus, but as long as you keep a countersqual in your hand that's no problem either, saving your counter-type spells for when your opponent uses a card like that.
RETIF
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(5 votes)
can progenitus still be removed from game in response of it hiting the graveyard?
SLatios
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0)(4 votes)
I had Guile out when my opponent played this and had UW untapped. Remove Soul ftw
isandhlwahna
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(3 votes)
The "If Progenitus would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, shuffle it into your library" is also, ironically enough, a drawback. No reanimation for you.
DoctorKenneth
★★★★☆ (4.6/5.0)(8 votes)
I'm going to take what seems to be the unpopular position here- while the card is undeniably powerful, power doesn't always equal all-around good. It's not even so much a mechanics issue- our friend Elvish Piper and his kin can take care of that pesky mana cost. No, it's the wording of "Protection from Everything". I thought Wizards was all on board the 'let's lure in new players' schtick. But Protection from Everything seems to be raising more confusion among players (more so the newer crowd, in personal experience) than anything, especially with the Wrath issue. Obviously it's just for the "Wow- really, EVERYTHING?" bright-eyed Timmy moment when you first see the card. And again, the bigger and shinier it looks, the more money it will make (Mythic Rares!). But the precedent for Protection from All Colors was there, and Protection from Colourless isn't too hard to figure out. Now it looks to function just like Protection from, say, White does. And it takes up only a few more words on a not really very cramped card. In all, it looks a little gimmiky but perhaps I'm just far too jaded. I guess the game needed some big, absurd finisher with Darksteel Colossus gone. Just wish it was cleaned up a little better.
(The art, however, simply makes me happy.)
Sporny
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
@Demonic_Angel13: It doesnt get counters from wither, as it doesn't take damage (you might have noticed the "protection from everything" =D) -1/-1 would kill it, but you can't target it with, to mention something random, a Puncture bolt
The_Somnambulist
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(8 votes)
@ RETIF: I think you could not respond to Progenitus hitting the graveyard simply b/c it never does hit the graveyard, just read again "If it WOULD BE put in a graveyard" as in, if it was going to happen, which means it HASN'T happened yet, so instead it skips the graveyard and goes straight to the deck. You could permanently kill Progenitus with Thought Hemorrhage though!
@sporny: one neat way to kill Progenitus could be to use Sudden Spoiling which makes all creatures target player controls 0/2s and lose all abilities until end of turn, then use Unmake or some cheap burn spell on it.
@ wrathofthemany: I highly agree, and I've found that Mindwrack Liege is probably even easier to pull off than Maelstrom Archangel b/c you don't have to wait to do dmg to an opponent, and the ability is like an instant, so unless there is something to counter the Liege or it's ability, w/e you were going to play (i.e Progenitus) will come out anyway. The Archangel downside only being that you have to do dmg, but allows you to play any non-land spell, while the Liege's ability only works on red and blue creatures. So really, to each their own, w/e works better for you, me, I use both means, lol.
I think this is, so far, the "exodia" of creatures, b/c it's so hard to deal with, the game is practically over unless someone has some clever combo to get rid of it. If you combo Progenitus with Rage Reflection and/or Wound Reflection, you could kill in one hit rather than two, especially in multiplayer games....but then you'd have painted a HUGE target on ur forehead saying "forget free for all, gang up on the guy (or gal) with Progenitus!!!!".
You know the only way I know to kill Progenitus with one card that's not mass removal or w/e is playing a 2nd Progenitus to trigger the Legend rule.
There is even a group on Facebook called "I got killed by Progenitus" just fyi for anyone that hates getting pwned by it.
InfernoTowel
★☆☆☆☆ (1.3/5.0)(6 votes)
If you play it for something cheaper than its mana cost (Dramatic Entrace, etc) it's good. But it can still be wrathed. WAIT. EDIT. Everything. Doesn't everything include "Protection from Wrath of God"? I'm getting somewhere here...
Dingo777
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
idk, not a great card in my oppinion, it is easy to summon, look through here and you will find about 10 or so ways to summon it for next to nothing, even make it all the more powerful with blanket cards, I just dont like how prot from everything is being ruled, for example, I thought Chameleon Colossus, prot from black, could not be blasted by damnation, also, to who countered it, I would assume everything would mean it has protection from instants, kinda like how that elf Warren-Scourge Elf couldnt be hit by any goblin spells, creature or otherwise(Tarfire for example)
oh well, my little rant on this card
sinanata
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(5 votes)
I dont know if u have senn but "protection from EVERYTHING" i use wrath of god bam protection from white---->protection from wrath of god = this creature have like 1% chance of being killed if you play vs a normal deck
Shieldman
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
"Protection from Everything"
Can I just-- No. But what abo-- No. Maybe-- No.
God_of_Destruction
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(3 votes)
just one Thought Hemorrhage away... i fought sumone that has three copies of this card in his deck using dramatic entrance and maelstrom archangel's effect... good thing i got four Thought Hemorrhage, i lost on our first try but got him conceded the next two battles... i used Thought Hemorrhage on archangel first, then dramatic entrance and progenitus=... he almost cried, what a waste...
itsmeyouidiot
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(5 votes)
Cool but useless. If your opponent is able to play this card, you've already lost.
Kairyu
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(3 votes)
What about Windbrisk Heights then spectral procession for this?
Toussaint
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(3 votes)
well... if you think of it this way... it doesnt say protection from all colors... or something like that.
if its pro. from everything.... wouldnt it be protection from destroy?
Gunhaver
★★★★☆ (5.0/5.0)(59 votes)
Protection from everything does not make Progenitus invincible, merely very hard to kill.
Protection rule:
Protection from "X" means:
Damage from "X" sources is prevented. Cannot be Enchanted, Equipped, or Fortified by X sources. Cannot be Blocked by "X" sources. Cannot be Targeted by "X" sources.
Use the mnemonic device DEBT to remember this.
Therefore, Progenitus would read as follows:
Cannot be damaged by anything. Cannot be enchanted by or equipped with anything. Cannot be blocked by anything. Cannot be targeted by anything.
Consider the following ways around protection:
1 - Spells and abilities without the word "target" in their text. A perfect example of a spell of this type is the always amazing Wrath of God.
2 - Sacrificing Whether you decide to sacrifice Progenitus yourself for some reason or a spell or ability compels you to sacrifice a creature, you must do so if Progenitus is the only creature you can sacrifice. Good responses to this besides countering the spell (which really only works if you plan on running blue) are spells like Spectral Procession (which already enjoys heavy play) and Dragon Fodder (which is much cheaper to obtain). Both of those spells would provide you with legal targets, and when played in response to a spell, would resolve first, giving you your spirits or goblins BEFORE you're forced to sacrifice something.
3 - Prevention Consider the spell Angelsong: Angelsong W1: Prevent all combat damage that would be done this turn, Cycling: 2 Angelsong doesn't target anything, it just prevents damage. If it had a target, it would be damage from a source. Therefore, since it targets DAMAGE, Progenitus can't damage a player who plays Angelsong that turn.
4 - Protection Yes, you can use protection against protection, but not in the way you might think. Progenitus cannot be blocked by anything, even if another creature also had protection from everything. However, if a PLAYER has protection from a source all of the rules for protection apply. Example: If I have protection from black and you declare Progenitus as an attacker, since he is black all of the damage that would be dealt to me by him (or any black source) would be prevented. If I play Runed Halo and name Progenitus as a card I wish to have protection from, Progenitus cannot harm me (as long as Runed Halo is in play).
Also, keep in mind two things:
1 - Not all spells and effects that can potentially harm Progenitus are bad. Every "liege" card from the Shadowmoor block will give Progenitus +2/+2, since their static abilities stipulate "all creatures you control," not "all target creatures." A great card that offers universal pumping is Glorious Anthem, which gives all creatures you control +1/+1. Spells that don't specifically target Progenitus (for example, if a spell reads "put a +1/+1 counter on any number of creatures you control," the spell does not target Progenitus and counters don't target, since they aren't spells, so you can put a counter on him if you wish.
2 - Unless a card specifically contradicts this, all cards with protection only have protection (or grant protection) when IN PLAY (or "ON THE BATTLEFIELD," if you're more familiar with that wording)! This is BAD because you can be forced to remove Progenitus from the game by certain spells if it's in your hand. This is GOOD because you can use spells an effects to play Progenitus for cheap from your hand.
I think I went a bit overboard here. The beauty of Progenitus is that he will never hit the graveyard; you just keep shuffling him back into your deck. This is especially cool if you have ways of retrieving him from there. I myself have considered Mayael the Anima as a means of playing Progenitus, as well as Mindwrack Liege and the Hideaway lands, especially Mosswort Bridge and Windbrisk Heights. Also, the equipment Deathrender can bring Progenitus out of your hand for FREE. Consult the Gatherer and READ THE RULINGS on Deathrender for more information.
Thank you for your time.
rioks
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(3 votes)
well, what about getting him in U3? i've build a RU about this guy. R- lots of token-producers spells. no creatures. U- few counterspells and.... polymorph!!! and, since progenitus is the only creturein your deck, it will surely bring him! on turn 3, with the right accel... youv'e got the mother of all the monsters.
Guest2146443305
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Only way I am aware that you can defeat this thing is using a counterspell that removes what it counters from the game, or a global remove from game spell.
ByakuyaKuchiki
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(4 votes)
Protection from Storm Crow?
How quaint
PhyrexianDreadnaught
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(3 votes)
can he be countered because he technically wouldnt be in play yet so his abilities wouldnt take effect
Nnoitra
★☆☆☆☆ (1.6/5.0)(6 votes)
you call it bueaty that he never hits the graveyard? omg another offense to black, first darksteel colossus and now this, that ruling was meant to make sure black users can't use that creature, because they are still stuck on way way back when black spells >>> everything else and the crybabies had to make virtually almost all the current black spells and creatures outclassed by every other color. Him not hitting the graveyard means he is impossible to re-animate on any of the first 3 turns. ANd they let blue be able to summon darksteel colossus within the 2nd turn too
TomRiddle
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0)(4 votes)
The fact that this card is rated only four out of five stars is crazy. If you know what you're doing, it isn't that difficult to cast; one doesn't require a five color deck to cast Progenitus. There are common artifact cards, i.e. Kaleidostone, which give you the ability to pay five mana of any color for one of each color. Because up to four of the same card are allowed in a single deck, common artifact cards like Kaleidostone cause casting a beast like Progenitus almost easy. Progenitus is almost invincible, there are very few ways around it's protection from everything, not to mention its 10 toughness. It is an immensely powerful card, with so few ways to destroy it... And can be cast for a relatively fair mana cost.
Darklit_Gargoyle
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
this card is be becoming more playable... if you make it the only creature in your deck and have bitterblossom/goblin assault as your creature makers you can hit polymorph and only go into progentius :)
prettyboy3711
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(5 votes)
OK i have built a deck not around this card but a deck that gets high cost game winning creatures in 4 to 6 turns yes risky because they may deal damage faster than i can get them out but i like risks.
My big creature is progenitus and i was reading the new rules down by deathtouch and theres a line that says "If more than one legendary permanent with the same name is on the battlefield, they're all put into their owners' graveyards." And i was like why that completely ruins me because i have had 3 of these guys out by the 7 turn and one in my hand. So someone please tell me this isn't official please lol well it would be weird thats for sure.
p.s. How do I do this a white/green deck with urza's mana set. Tooth and nail, planar portal, and elvish piper and i have on my side board dragon archs and wuicksilver amulet yea works great but if this uniqueness is true then im goin to keep 2 in my deck and put 2 of Darksteel Colossus or something havent decided
ColossusofSardia
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
This card is easily played in Standard right now. Simply throw down an Elvish Piper, wait one turn, use its one mana ability to put Progenitus into play and problem solved.
MephistoXtheXred
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Progenitus is quite powerful and hard to kill but lacks the indestructible quality. Unfortunately it is very hard to buff him as well as kill him; Akroma's memorial, Elspeth the Knight Errant, and a variety of other cards would still give their benefits to him.
That would be a sick combination Akroma's memorial , Elspeth, Progenitus.
spoonish
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(3 votes)
if devoted caretaker can stop a creature from being buried by a wrath of god, then progenitus would also be able to trump the wrath...
the thing is though, since wrath of god (and i might as well throw in the disc, catastrophe et al) isnt targeted (its simply bury all creatures), then the protection doesn't work. protections works against damage (ranging from lightning bolts to wildfires) and targeted abilities (terror, death stroke)..
it wont protect against untargeted abilities, including humility, wrath of god, diabolic edict or nevinyrral's disk
sprywolf
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(3 votes)
Dragon Arch is a great way to play this
phoenixcobra27
★☆☆☆☆ (1.3/5.0)(5 votes)
having protection means protection from color too so it cant be affected by wrath of god right?
godmetal101
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Sick card if you can sneak it into play (Elvish Piper, Belbe's Portal, Dramatic Entrance, and Deathrender all come to mind). Plus, it can't hit the graveyard. Plenty of global effects can beef it up or slow it down. The only two cards that I know of that can REALLY get rid of this guy are Final Judgment and the riskier Decree of Annihilation. Overall, a really great card if you can get it into play.
Salostot
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Circu took care of my opponents Progenitus
Lord_Of_Illusions_002
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(2 votes)
to prettyboy3711, yes, this rule is true, you can only have one of each legendary creature in play at a time, this is nothing new to magic, it's been around forever. so, sorry, only one progenitus in play at a time
lightning19
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.7/5.0)(3 votes)
basiclly invincble
portection from everything also means protection from all colours and artifacts
Forgeling
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.7/5.0)(3 votes)
Unblockable Shroud Can't be dealt Damage Darksteel Collosus Shuffle.
10/10 body. not bad, not bad at all.
correct me if I'm wrong, but this is THE biggest unblockable creature is it not?
ratchet1215
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I love this card. It is THE ultimate Timmy card...sure, he's hard to play, but once he's out there he is a BRICK HOUSE.
po_cool_22
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(5 votes)
Sorry to say that but if Progenitus has protection from everything, it includes WHITE, which is Wrath of God's color, and so preventing it to be removed from the battlefield. The only ways to kill Progenitus would be to either counterspell it, sacrifice it yourself or get it discarded from your hand.
Kirbyguy91
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
would yixlid jailer stop him from going back into the deck? and i could have sworn that he was still accectable to mass removal, Wrath of god says destroy all creatures, he has prot from everything which means he cant be Damaged, Enchanted or equiped, Blocked or Targeted, his prot doest stop Wrath of god, mtg even said that he was succeptable to mass removal, the only thing that could save him from Wrath of God would be if he was indestructable, Check MAgicthegathering.com, type in progenitus and go to soul of the world, its all there i personally like using Final Judgement better than Wrath of God
Veslfen
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
For the last time:
No, Progenitus can be killed by Wrath of God. Wrath of God does not target. Nor does it damage.
Progenitus can be killed by it. It does not matter if Wrath of God is white. It only matters if Wrath of God targets, enchants, equips, or blocks Progenitus. It does none of those things, therefore it can be dealt with using Wrath of God.
The reason a Burrenton Forge Tender, for example, can ignore a Pyroclasm is because while Pyroclasm does not target, it damages ("deals 2 damage to each creature and player"). Because it specifically says "damage", protection from red kicks in and stops it.
The reason a White Knight can ignore a Terror (or Doom Blade if we want to keep up with the times) is because although Terror/Doom Blade does not damage its target (it says "destroy"), it still targets it and protection from black kicks in and stops it.
Wrath of God does not damage, nor does it target, and thus it can, unfortunately, destroy Progenitus.
Gasnaked
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
You may use Clone to remove Progenitus from battlefield, since Progenitus is a legend. It is removed when another come in. As Clone has no target, you can choose Progenitus as your source creature.
No need to argue this. I do this in MTGO and removed the Progenitus successfully....
gator123
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(4 votes)
Just wondering, but it says protection from everything which means he has protection from all colors, so, Wrath of God is white, he has protection from white, so that wouldn't kill him, only way is to clone him and have the legend rule take effect.
Also, you can get a few Birds of Paradise out on the first couple turns. Then play a Composite Golem on turn 4. Finish off by sacking your Composite Golem and tapping your other permanents for WUBRG+WUBRG=Progenitus!
I actually had an opponent forfeit even though he had a Progenitus. I had close to 100 life though...
Hah, this is like the super-card of magic. It's the most invulnrable card, and it has a crazy mana cost. Sure, you could dream up even more powerful cards, but there's no point. It's time to make practical titans.
Esperzoa123
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
About the protection thing, it has protection from EVERYTHING that means all types and subtypes as well as all colors, just saying.
JanusAurelius
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(4 votes)
This is the most broken card in existanece. Yes you can get rid of with mass removal but me for example I don't own Wrath so what its tough beans for me? Or if I'm running green which has no mass removal that I can think of too bad? That's not how its suppose to work... And I know someone is going to say, "Well it has double spectrum mana cost." Yes it does, but considering that about half of these posts are about how to get it out on turn 3 or some ridiculous stuff like that it still isn't balanced... 0/5 Because if you don't have mass removal your done...
bhunji42
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Why destroy/bury it with Wrath of God when you can remove it from the game.
Ironic that he can be killed by Wrath of God, seeing as he is a planeswalker/god/hydra
he happens to be the most expensive card to play because of his absurd mana cost
Belz_
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Ah! Progenitus. I have one in a neat deck in which I don't actually need to pay for it. Very powerful, and intimidating. And yes, Wrath of God gets rid of it, but only temporarily. The only way to truly be rid of Progenitus is with exile cards like Final Judgment.
Oh, and cry me a river, J a n u s Aurelius.
Thallid_King
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Progenitus is a very powerful card and hard to remove form the board or "battlefield". It has protection from everything. The only cards that effect it are those that do NOT say target. Also, it is effected by global spells like the famous Wrath of God. Anything that effects the battlefield effects progenitus. It can be removed from play if its not targeted or in someones hand. It can be discarded to send it back to the library. It can also be sacrificed. I have the card and me and my buddy discussed its abilities. But it is pretty much invulnerable. However, it is protected from some global effects, such as pestilence. Pestilence is "pay 1 black: pestilence deals 1 damage to each creature and each player. Now it doesn't target progenitus but his protection includes black. Therefore, black sources cannot deal damage to him. He can be equipped or enchanted, but u would 1st have to remove his protection without targeting him. It is extremely difficult but possible.
@J***Aurelius: if you're playing casually without a large collection, and you're playing someone who is either also playing casually and lucked out with enough cards to get this out quickly in games, or is playing seriously and actually invested in some good cards, then you really don't deserve to be crying. If you really hate it that much, spend a few dollars and buy a single of a card which will get rid of it.
Beyond that, it's quite tough to give this creature vigilance (at least in standard... off the top of my head, one of the only cards that could do it would be Ajani Goldmane using his second ability), so if your opponent attacks with it, they can't block next turn - meaning they'll have an opening. Beyond that, he has all 5 colours, meaning that if you can get a creature with protection from anything they can coast pass him unaffected. There are ways to get around him, even without removing him.
In any case, for a 10 mana, very specific creature, he deserves to be a gamewinner. In any case, at least he can't one shot a 20 health opponent in 1 turn (in most cases).
As for me, I'm thinking of a way I could get him out quickly and finish the game with him... perhaps getting a Madrush Cyclops out on turn 2/3 (with mana accel from green), Elvish Piper on the next turn + Progenitus swinging, then winning on the next turn.
"Effects that prevent or redirect damage cannnot be used to protect that creature."
will_dice
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(2 votes)
Yes, Ludovici, you can have protection from any card type (I can also cite Azorius First-Wing, protection from enchantments), subtype (Nath's Buffon have protection from elves), from converted mana cost (That futureshifted kithkin whose name I forget) or even from the name of the card! (Runed Halo)
Progenitus have protection from EVERYTHING. In a sense, you could say it have "protection from spells" also. It even have protection from each individual Magic card by name!
But, if protection from the color of the spell don't save it, why having protection from any other characteristic of that spell will make it different in any sense?
Having "protection from spells" is as useless as "protection from white" against Wrath of God. It would still means "can't be targeted, attached, or blocked by any spell, and damage from any spell is prevented". WoG don't do any of these things.
Not even "protection from the name Wrath of God" helps: It can't be targeted, attached or blocked by WoG, and damage from WoG is prevented. Still useless against WoG's effect.
CorruptedClover
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
I completely overran my friend with a White Weenie deck...2 turns after he played Progenitus. 10/10 doesn't matter as much if I've already played 3 Beacon of Immortality.
Honestly, it's easy to survive Progenitus (just use basic life gain), and hella hard to make an effective deck that doesn't completely fail if he doesn't come out for you. Not nearly as great a card as some people think.
UNBAN_SHAHRAZAD
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Two words: Power Creep.
kittyspit
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
hmm, to get around this if you're playing a SERIOUS jund deck?
mass about literally 10+ 1/1 tokens.
then ovverun.
twice. ;) (i've done it before)
Dark_Raider
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Probably the number one badass of all time.
jdvue
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Dragon Arch anyone?
loljoev
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@PhyrexianLobbiest: You can't target Progenitus with Lava Burst. Lava Burst deals X damage to TARGET creature. Progenitus isn't a legal target, seeing as he has protection from red. I totally agree that he should quite literally have protection from EVERYTHING. Flavor text? The Soul of the World?? Come on...
SwordSkill
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Protection from everything (This permanent can’t be blocked, targeted, dealt damage, or enchanted by everything.)
Meh, Darksteel Colossus is still better for four reasons:
1: Darksteel Colossus is indestructible. 2: Darksteel Colossus can be powered up. Progenitus has protection from everything. Your buff cards too! 3: Darksteel Colossus can be cast with any mana, even colorless. Makes him easier to play without an effect. 4: Darksteel Colossus is NOT legendary ... Soul Foundry FTW
This would be good in a deck with lots of global buff effects, but the Colossus is still way better imo. Still a nice card to have though. I think this has more collectors value than actual game value ...
PS: Oh yes, Darksteel Colossus CAN withstand Wrath of God...
funniest thing i've ever done was make my friend sacrifice him.....
Vampire__
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The proud owner of a foil Progenitus! Second Place at a tourney earned me that (along with another pile of goodies!) Not as good as a Darksteel Collosus, but much more flavorful.
The only ways this card could be beat is if something exiles it or transmutes it. There are also ways to keep a card from being able to reach a graveyard. Also, you can simply kill it by playing another copy of it.
Khias
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I'm worried about facing this in EDH. Anyone have a problem with it as a general in an EDH deck?
BalonyPony
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.7/5.0)(3 votes)
Dies to Wrath. Can't be enchanted. Why would you play something so horrible?
Zoah
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0)(4 votes)
Let me see, it might lose to dark steel colossus, sort of, but there are things that can beat it but not Progenitus, most notably unmake, control magic, and time ebb.
At any rate, I could go over kill strategies for both of these cards but I'm not in the mood.
at any rate:
massive color weight and manna cost: -** */2 Protection from everything: +*** other trick that I don't really care about: +*/2
when i first saw this card, i thought to myself, WHAT? protection from everything is this a joke, does this card belong to unglued series? but i got over it pretty quickly, it's now in one of the very few 5 color decks i ever got to work properly. when i know someone else is using this card i make sure i hold on to a counterspell, or extinction
typezeroserodin
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The mana cost was stifling but there's a really good way to play this card.
Keep this in a green "stompy" deck with a few Elvish Pipers, four Channel the Suns, and maybe a mycosynth lattice (if you REALLY need to pay for it the old fashioned way with only green mana). Back the mana generation with a few Civic Wayfinders or other mana-elves, and you should be able to play him pretty quickly, assuming that you draw him in time.
As far as the problem of being killed with cards like Wrath of God or Damnation, consider using him in a deck with both mycosynth lattice and darksteel forge. Darksteel Forge will protect Progenitus from destroy effects, now, since Darksteel forge and Mycosynth Lattice are global effects, anyway.
Honestly, I played him in a five-color artifact deck that had these as their background:
Progenitus (4)
Darksteel Forge
Mycosynth Lattice
Channel the Suns
Demonic Tutor
Helm of Awakening (4)
+ other stuff.
I played three helms of awakening, making Channel the Suns only cost 1 green mana, which allowed me to play Progenitus for 2 mana. Demonic tutor made this combo much faster, and much more devious.
Hope that helps yo!
Ozmahunter
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(6 votes)
I don't know why everyone automatically assumes this card can be destroyed by cards that dont target it. If it said, "This card is protected from all White spells.", would you still think Wrath of God can destroy it? NO. Its a white spell, and therefore, this card should be immune to it. If it's protected from EVERYTHING, why would a mass targeting Black or White spell, which I'm fairly sure fall into the category of everything, affect him?
Dark Steel Colossus is indestructible, so, he can't be destroyed, even by Wrath Of God, buuuuuut, If you use Boomerang on it, or any card/effect that sends it back to its owners hand or deck, then that should work just fine on DSC. NOT SO on Progenitus. Boomerang? Thats a blue spell. Protected against those. Royal Assassins ability wants to kill it cuz its tapped? Nope, its protected against abilities.
Protection against everything is protection against yo.
702.14a Protection is a static ability, written “Protection from .” This quality is usually a
color (as in “protection from black”) but can be any characteristic value. If the quality happens
to be a card name, it is treated as such only if the protection ability specifies that the quality is a
name. If the quality is a card type, subtype, or supertype, the ability applies to sources that are
permanents with that card type, subtype, or supertype and to any sources not on the battlefield
that are of that card type, subtype, or supertype. This is an exception to rule 109.2.
702.14i “Protection from everything” is a variant of the protection ability. A permanent with
protection from everything has protection from each object regardless of that object’s
characteristic values. Such a permanent can’t be targeted by spells or abilities, enchanted by
Auras, equipped by Equipment, fortified by Fortifications, or blocked by creatures, and all
damage that would be dealt to it is prevented.
Once Progenitus is on the table, there are a few options: mass removal that doesn't use damage, such as Wrath of God; or making a player sacrifice a creature when he or she doesn't have another choice.
"Protection from everything" means the following:
Progenitus can't be blocked.
Progenitus can't be enchanted or equipped.
Progenitus can't be the target of spells or abilities.
All damage that would be dealt to Progenitus is prevented.
Progenitus can still be affected by effects that don't target it or deal damage to it (such as Wrath of God).
Sidek
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(5 votes)
Very overrated. The cost is unpayable, so the only option is to put it into play through other means.
No Flying. No Trample. Essentially no evasion. Nothing that wins you the game.
Why the hell play him instead of another, better creature (such as Iona or Darksteel Colossus)?
Tobolococo
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(4 votes)
@sidek: you dont need flying or trample because nothing can block this guy: PROTECTION FROM EVERYTHING
i do agree that the cost is cost is very high but have you though of elvish piper ?
majinara
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Interestingly enough he can be blocked... by fog patch. :)
It's a fine timmy card but I never saw anyone win by Progenitus. You can counter it with a 1 mana force spike. You can kill it with a 1 mana innocent blood. If you want one yourself you can clone it for a 4 mana clone. You can keep it away with simple fog effects like tangle. Or you kill it with any sort of mass removal like day of judgement. And that he is shuffled into your library is a disadvantage since it prevents reanimation.
It's a great casual card, and makes many people happy which is nice too. But up to now I never saw it kill a player. I think many people interpret to much into "protection from everything". It doesn't mean it's invulnerable. It just means it can't be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked by creatures or targeted. There are still cards that can steal it, clone it, bounce it, force you to sac it, exile it, shuffle it away, destroy it, counter it, keep it tapped, prevent its damaged and so on.
@Greenandblack What part of Protection from Everything isnt clear?
Learvok
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0)(2 votes)
I have this card. It was the first legendary I ever got. (Ironically from the first pack I ever bought. lol).
I'll admit, he's over powered to an extent, but I mean, you got several ways to defeat it. Counter it before it comeso n the field, use a card that hits multiple creatures, or get rid of it before it even hits the ground (While it's still in the hand.) As for the mana cost. Well, it's not that bad if you build a deck that built around gathering mana. I built a multicolored deck that pulls mana out quickly. I put in a lot of big creatures including progenitis and never had a problem with getting him on the field. The only down fall to this card is that he doen't have vigilance. If he had vigilance, he would still be OP but there are easy ways around that. Send an army of 1/1 creatures to deal X damage, yeah you lose a creature, but, you still deal x-1 damage. Basically, just send out more monsters. Progenitis can't block but one of them.
LukeMan
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0)(3 votes)
I just bought this guy online for 10 bucks, including shipping and handling. I am SO pumped to team him up with Knight of New Alara. A 15/15 with protection from everything. That is pretty sick. The art work is amazing, and if you also use Tromp of the Domains and Knight of New Alara he can be a 20/20, pretty awesome. And yes, he can be killed by Damnation or Wrath of God, but remember those cards also kill all other creatures. And he doesn't die, whip out a Diabolic or Demonic tutor, play him again and you are the only one with a creature, and he is a 10/10. AWESOME and now, Reasios Progenitus is better. 1. Progenitus is unblockable. 2. Progenitus can't be killed by spells that remove him from the game (Unless it is a global effect) 3. Progenitus can't be taken control of by another player 4. Progenitus can be boosted using knight of new alara, to a whopping 15/15
Reasons Darksteel is better 1. Darksteel can be boosted 2. Darksteel can withstand the wrath of god 3, With the right cards, you can make duplicates of darksteel 4. you can have more than one darksteel in play at the same time 5. Darksteel is colorless Make your own choice, but I personally think progenitus is better. And I know this is a really long review, but I think that if something has protection from something, it shouldn't be able to affected by it. Like if something has protection from black, it shouldnt be affected by damnation.
zacmuffin
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(3 votes)
i think its an amazing power house the protection from everything is cool i think the people dissing the card need to understand that the card comes on the field you have a small window to kill it before lights out but thats the beauty of the card its hard to get the card on the field and its hard to get it off i don`t like running big cards like that cause cards like scute mob and omnath, locus of mana get the job done way faster.....i think card is less than a god but more then a man so to speak.
borgiey
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(3 votes)
hmmm not bad.. first seen in Planechase.. he lies in naya :) see this card Relic of Progenitus
luxma
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Killing progenitus is not that difficult
Don't forget it's only a creature. if you put 3 auras in another,for making it a creature with 11 defense, this one will become useless.
it's very difficult to cast it too and you always can kill it while it's in the opponent's hand (with telepathy + Talara's Bane, suposing it's all card types) , or with non target spells like slice and dice
And, of course, creatures aren't all in this game. By the time the opponent could cast progenitus, his life points will be low enough for killing him with enchantments like lightning bolt, searing flesh or banefire
ElbowWarrior
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Epic with a Slippery Bogle, Will leave enemies devastated and at your command!
I have a question: Would a novablast wurm attack kill progenitus?
Neutral_Bob
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I love the art. Not really a fan of giant lizard like creatures but I wouldn't mind having a framed picture of this.
Gibbons
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I'd put a Sword of Kaldra on a Wojek Embermage and target a Transquild Courier.
opinionfailure
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@onlainari: Hurray for the "The Simpsons" reference.
As for Pregenitus, sure it's great but it just isn't fun for me. Obveiously, no one hard casts this thing. People use tricks to get it out quicker and easier. I would much rather use a combo to cast a Emrakul, the Aeons Torn than Pregenitus.
Flavros
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Casting a treacherous urge and choosing this guy and winning the game with him is simply an amazing experience.
Planesfishofdeath
★★★★☆ (4.6/5.0)(7 votes)
@Lukeman
Proof that Progenitus can be taken over: 1: Get out something that let's you take control of creatures, such as, in my example, my Shiny New Nicol Bolas. 2: Play Ixidron. Progenitus is now a little 2/2 creature with no abilities. 3: Take your Shiny New Progenitus. 4: Play Ixidor, Reality Sculptor. 5: Use Ixidor to turn Progenitus back into himself. 6: ??? 7: Profit!
KillSwitch555
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
how exactly is somebody suppose to get this out without using a deck made of all 5 colors?
Guest1381794618
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Whatever else he may be, I love his art and flavor.
SoulShatterer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Banefire pumped by 10 mana is the only way to get rid of this guy, since if Banefires "X" is more than five, NO ABILITY can prevent the damage. Protection is an ability, thus Banefire circumvents it. Translation, anyone running a deck with ANY red in it competitively should have an A**Load of mountains and four Banefire's.
Bulhakas
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@SoulShatterer: You would have to target it with Banefire first, which you can't, because it has protection from everything. In other words, Banefire is useless against Progenitus.
TheMoustacheCame
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
doesnt see that powerfull with all that eldrazi out there since many of them can fly and make u sacrifice Progenitus
DacenOctavio
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ mnDragon:
Progenitus can certainly be destroyed. "Destroyed" is an effect that removes a permanent from the battlefield and sends it to the graveyard. Progenitus simply has an ability that replaces the "sent to the graveyard" clause with "shuffled back into its owner's library" in its particular instance of destruction.
There are plenty of answers to this creature, they just have a very narrow wording to them. My personal favorite is Jace, the Mind Sculptor, which is not so much an answer to this card as it is to the whole deck this card is in.
Exuberance
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Turn three Progenitus in standard - heck, in a mono-green deck even.
Turn One: land, mana producer of choice (Birds, Llanowar Elves, Noble Heirarch) Turn Two: Lotus Cobra, fetchland (any), Amulet of Vigor (from mana off of cobra) Turn Three: Lotus Cobra, fetchland (again, any), pop both fetches, six in your pool. Primeval Titan. Search up two more fetches (four mana), pop them both (eight mana), tap them for the last ten mana and BAM.
@PhyrexianLobbiest
Lava Burst still can't target him.
@KillSwitch555
Elvish Piper is a common way to get him out without playing all 5 colors.
Boday1
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Why is it so hard to understand? Protection from EVERYTHING. Would EVERYTHING not encompass all aspect of every card in the game??? It might as well have an enormous manual for it reading, Progenitus has protection from wrath of god, progenitus has protection from day of judgment, and the list goes on. Protection from EVERYTHING.
AlBout
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(2 votes)
@ n00bmag1 You kinda forgot summoning sickness for your elvish piper.
When I compare this to the new eldrazi, I'm sad.
Colorless monster are no fun.
@n00bmag1: though the errata says that it still makes me sad
As much as I love getting punched in the face by a 10/10 unblockable, I feel like the flavor should let it have protection from cards too. I mean it does say everything...
Kryptnyt
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Well, he's an unblockable 10/10, to speak lightly. If you have tricks to put critters into play, you might as well, you know? Of course, he is foiled by a simple Circle of Protection: /color/
knob_goblin
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(1 vote)
dragon arch makes this pwn :)
Duskdale_Wurm
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Since it has "Protection from everything", it probably has "Protection from legend rule".
LOL.
dberry02
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Progenitus: RAR! ME SMASH! ^__^
Riffachu
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Hi guys, sorry to but in, im jyust a noob, but why dont yu attack alone while sovereigns of los alara is on the field and pull an eldrazi con***ion. That way, yu are attacking with an unblockable 20/20 annhialator 2?
channelblaze
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(6 votes)
Lawlz, humility ftw. Or godhead of awe. Then it's a 1/1 pro everything...
n00bmag1
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
"Protection from Everything" means the following.
Progenitus can't be blocked.
Progenitus can't be enchanted or equipped.
Progenitus can't be the >target< of spells or abilities.
All damage that would be dealt to Progenitus is prevented.
VoidedNote
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Lots of mana: YES Good creature: HELL YES Elvish piper/fist of suns plox: yes Turns opponent will live after you play it: 1-3 Luck needed to kill it: LOTS, only a few cards in magic can so much as touch it, and even if they do it just goes back into your library
Final Score: 5/5
T1: Two Black Lotuses (One blue, one green), Channel the Suns, Twin Cast. Progenitus.
Latronis
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
so VoidedNote when i Force of Will your progenitus drop an island and extract it what then?
Kirbster
★★★★☆ (5.0/5.0)(23 votes)
I'd talk about him... but he has protection from being talked about.
NecroticNobody
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(1 vote)
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, and I don't want to seach the 10+ comment pages for a comment, but I'm surprised no one has (probably) mentioned a Progenitus EDH deck you could put any card in it and not even have to play Progenitus to win
zero_eight
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Anyone knows if Venser's ultimate could be used on Progenitus?
Chrome_Coyote
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This is the kind of card that wants you to build a deck around it. This is the kind of card that makes you want to make a 5-colored deck. Epic artwork, too. Sure, Wrath of God takes him out, but something can always be taken out by something else, and this card sure is a pain to get rid of.
Kamidii
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Progenitusism- a religion among wizards of the coast members and magic players.
sarroth
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@zero-eight: Yes, I do know if Venser's ultimate can be used on Progenitus. The answer is NO. Just read every else's comments on the rules for protection, and that would have answered your question before you submitted it. DEBT = cannot be Dealt damage, Enchanted, Blocked, or targeted. Venser's lovely ultimate reads "target permanent," and thus cannot target Progenitus, who has protection from everything.
I agree with other people; this card makes me want a 5 color deck. The only two cards to do this are this and Reaper King. Not even because of it's abilities, and those are ridiculous good (though wanting for a trample-adding effect such as Primal Rage or even, dare I say, Rancor), but because it is one of my most favorite pieces of art in the game.
persecutor
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I don't see why this is even worth 3 bucks you can't even dump it into your graveyard to reanimate it
and as for playing it? good luck!
Bad Wizards
except the art, it's cute and yummy
Panpl
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Oh bugger sorry, my bad, it will never go to the gravey. Should read the cards before posting.
landboysteve
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Not to minimize the power of this card, but let's not forget, if you're playing a tight tournament ready deck, built for speed, a 5 color deck is extremely difficult to win with unless you're playing vintage tournaments and have access to the moxes and black lotus. And then, even there, you're going to be up against such fast decks, you'll never see the turn where you'll get this card out.
If you're playing a group, fun game, maybe. But for all practical purposes, this card is going to be very difficult to get out before getting soundly thrashed.
My 2 cents on the matter.
Bigboss1967
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Hes Legend!
mtear
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I set this card on fire. It didn't have protection from matches. I feel cheated.
Nip_Gwyllion
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@PhyrexianLobbiest Nope. Can't be targeted. This card is just unstoppable outside of wrath effects,
divine_exodus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
EDIT
Not being able to keep him in the graveyard might be a downside.
apollogod
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
I used to run him in an oath deck, and now he's in my natural order rock deck. Without a board sweeper or forced sacrifice, he is the most immune creature. I love having progenitus in my deck. A game-winner of the highest order.
I give progenitus 4.5/5, simply because if you cheat it into play is it one of the best creatures. If you are trying to hardcast, it is more dfficicult.
Manji187
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Would an aether vial with 10 charge counters do the trick?
GottaRunGottaRunNow
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How do you top something that, accoring to Relic of Progenitus, is a hydra-god of all things? And the Soul of the World in this flavour text?
R&D are going to need to do some serious thinking if anything better than this comes along.
ok, i understand the whole protection from everything bit. My question is, is that the card its self dosent say unblockable, so why cant another card that has protection lets say black block it considering that it is part black? Isnt it, that you had to use black manna to bring it out?
Thallid king is half right on one point: if you can remove progenitus' protection then he can be Equipped and Enchanted. However the second he gets that protection back everything falls off of him.
sozokureed
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Had this played against me once, the opponent was pretty confidant... till I dropped my Forcefield and told him I had 20 turns to kill him =P
Of course, because of the costs involved, this combo should only be used in a blue/white deck that is splashed with plenty of white/black and blue/black generating non-basic lands.
bijart_dauth
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
i find it dwarfed by emrakul, the aeons torn. his only disadvantige to this guy is that he is colorless (wich can also be an advantage) and that it has "protection from colored spells" not "protection from everything" meaning he can be blocked and that abilitys or colorless spells could kill him. but i know of only 2 or 3 colorless spells and they could not kill him but only help him. i am aware that all cards are spells when being cast but unless they are instant or sorceress than any thing it did targeting would most likely be an ability, not an effect or whatever they call it on an instant.
TheSwarm
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The Artwork is just absolutely breathtaking I love it
Someday my RDW style deck will find an opponent who will smugly cast Progenitus as his ultimate blocker/savior. I'll attack with a massive elemental and of course he'll block. Afterall, its fraggin Progenitus! Then I'll return the smug smile and point to Leyline of Punishment.
Same goes to all those Pro. Red creatures. Enjoy.
cullen31
★☆☆☆☆ (1.4/5.0)(5 votes)
just terror it...
non1337
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Just play Thieves' Auction and take it. There are so many cards that can ignore protection and whatever.
rulingmanager
★☆☆☆☆ (1.1/5.0)(9 votes)
It has been brought to my attention the Progenitus is only effected by one global spell "wrath of god" because under new ruling creatures that have ability "protection from everything" cannot be destroyed damaged or have any other outcome of the card besides being played and attacking. It CAN only be sent to a graveyard only by force of discard. So no Child of Alara, Plague wind, Damnation, Kirtar's Wrath, Rout, Austure Command, and Decree of Pain cannot effect Progenitus.
Magnor_Criol
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
rulingmanager, you're...just plain wrong. Global, nontargetting effects still get around any protection ability, and "Protection from Everything" is no exception.
I'm going to assume that you were just making a poor attempt at trolling. Otherwise I'll be forced to assume you just like to make up your own rules as you go because you can't grasp the basic tenets of how Magic works.
Strawb3rryPanic
★★★★☆ (5.0/5.0)(23 votes)
as nasty as progenitus is, they still won't let him past the gate of Malakir.
I drew it as a foil today YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! :DDD
@Atali: Indeed, the Clone does not target...
I've always considered it highly unflavorful that shapeshifters trigger the Legend Rule.
land_comment
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Lord_of_Tresserhorn:
REALLY?!?! How many booster boxes did you buy?
Concerned_Bystander
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ Cullen
I assume you're joking. Terror only works on non-black creatures and not only is Progenitus black but also has protection from black which terror also is.
LOL the first time i ever opened a pack... yes i bought a booster pack b4 a box or deck or starter deck. but ya, the first time i opened a booster pack i went thru the cards thinking "HOLY CRAP THESE CARDS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! Y WULD I ........ wats this.... OMG I LOVE THIS CARD!" yes it was a bunch of crappy commons, then the last actual card i looked at was Progenitus. made my day and my friends the most envious ppl in the world. ever since then iv had the most amazing luck with finding mythic rares, i have Progenitus, Platinum Angel, Avenger of Zendikar, Phyrexian Negator, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Rampaging Baloths, and Felidar Soverign. all from just opening booster packs.
T2. Forest, tap it to play Utopia Sprawl on your other forest, Tap said forest and untap with arbor elf, Harrow, drop Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary and Orochi Leafcaller.
T3. You have 11 Mana of any colour.
DiasFlac420
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
What happens if you Combust it twice?
noirSONNE
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
lol I do like cards that promote the use of more than one color but 2x is just sheer ridiculousness. Just a nightmare to hard cast normally and really only feasible through other means such as mana ramp like Shard Convergence, an abillity like Mayael the Anima, a spell like Summoning Trap, or a convoluted/quick combo.
then gain I'm not too surprised they made a card like this considering it came from Alara
ill give it 4 for being preposterous, flavorful, and powerful
Doctorsteel
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(3 votes)
It has protection from everything. Everything includes white, and destroy effects.
Progenitus: 1
Magic the Gathering: 0
Arkh36
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Favorite Card, both the Art and Execution as factors. Feels great to launch him on my opponents.
Zaneshift
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
First deck I ever made myself was sunburst with Fist of Suns and Joiner Adepts. It just seemed the proper way to summon Progenitus in any case.
Dreampanda
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Concerted Effort.
For teh lulz.
jemas42
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I can have him out turn 6, at the latest. Uncounterable. At instant speed. 2 words gentlemen:
Dragon. Arch.
Superllama12
★★★★☆ (5.0/5.0)(28 votes)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster vs. King Gidhora: Duel Decks: Emrakul vs. Progenitus
He has protection from ratings, so I can't rate him. I'd compliment him, but he has protection from compliments, so it'd be lost on him. I think he also has protection from damage, so you can't rip one or tear one, but Oracle rules that you can still lose or trade one. @DarthParallax: What part of "Can't enter the graveyard" don't you understand? YOU. CAN'T. ENTOMB. PROGENITUS. GET OVER IT.
TheLionsMane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Not even the Soul of the World can get past the Gates of Malakir.
Townend_GLS
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
can the effect of visara the dreadfull kill him??
That_Odd_guy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Protection from eldrazi. protection from comments. protection from humor. protection from spells. protection from enchantments. protection from pie. protection from itself. anti-mill decks? hell yes! protection from creatures. protection from non-targeting spells, protection from instants. protection from sorceries, protection from instants. INVINCIBLE! IT WILL RETURN IF DESTROYED!!!!!!!! CAN"T DEFEAT IT!!!! and, you will win in two turns after summoning it. like emrakul, the aeons torn
I have a 5 color deck with this guy and Door to Nothingness as the main casting objectives. I don't know if there is a word for my casual stance, but my friend and I made a pact with each other that we would not buy individual cards to trick out decks, but use what we randomly get in boosters or intro decks--a real Johnny approach. Since I had to work with what I had, I use some different cards to get the multicolor mix:
some random mulitcolor creatures for defense and offense until I can get Door or Pro (my favorites being Winged Coatl and the mimics from Eventide)
and then a couple of sorceries to get out the Pro: Demand Time of Need
Overall, a fun Timmy/Johnny deck. I know there are awesome combos to get Pro out earlier, but again, this is working from the random cards I have gotten over the couple of years I have played.
Does protection from everything mean it can't be countered?
Banjo253
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Chainer's Edict.... a two cost uncommon... all the progen decks i've played usually only have 4 of him and a place set of elvish piper so normally i have at least two edicts in hand just in case if them trying to get off with just sacking the piper.
JFM2796
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Progenitus has protection from everything, including white. However, the definition of protection is "This creature can't be targeted, dealt damage, or enchanted by anything..." Wrath of God does none of these things so Progenitus is affected by it. However, if you want to be a smart ass, you could say he has protection from being killed or protection from dying or protection from mass removal.
Progenitus would have to reach the graveyard to lose his abilities.
Guest742242900
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Dies to Doom Blade.
alblast
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
So Wizards looked at Progenitus and thought, man we need to make a creature that's even harder to deal with. So they came up with Emrakul. Although in some ways its the opposite of Progenitus. Instead of needing all 5 manas, it needs any manas. I wonder which one is taller?
Gaffy00
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Dies to Storm Crow.
DarthParallax
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Ach, Hans Run! It's KING GHIDORA!
but seriously, if this were 'just' a matter of of getting to 10 mana and drawing it and having all 5 colors open, playing 'straight' (relying on some gay-ass heart of the cards to magically make it happen for you) then it would still be a 3-star card because 'Protection from Everything' kind of... wow. on a 10/10! biggest mistake ever: he should have had reach and extra blocking, but whatevs.
in the real world, we have access to Fauna Shaman, Sylvan Wish, Elvsih Piper, Dramatic Entrance, heck the guy even has his own Keeper of Progenitus. oh, and Prismatic Omen.
in short, a very simple elf deck can combo this guy out any day of the week you want. it might be possible to hardcast it on turn 2 with Vintage tech, though at that point I would just Dark Ritual x2, Entomb and Living Death it. and even Entomb + Living Death might not be the 'best' thing you can do...there is unlikely to ever be a more powerful creature in the game, although some of them are more useful. Tinker+Blightsteel vs. Living Death + Progenitus would be an interesting Clash of the Titans match.
EDIT: OK, I goofed on the Entomb. Oops, lol. i REALLY want to see Duel Decks: Flying Spaghetti Monster vs. King Ghidorah, though- GREAT CALL Superllama12!!!!!!! XDDDDDD
hi everyone.. i am fairly new to this game and i was playing last night with my brother, i had Progenitus out and he hit me with a 28/28 creature with flying and trample.. would i be able to block with Progenitus? i guess the main question i am asking is, does it have protection against flying?
Ladon---
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(5 votes)
@schulzy14
Flying is an evasive ability that creatures have, so it's not something that falls under the realm of what Protection from ________ does (for a full explanation, see Gunhaver's post).
The only way your Progenitus could have blocked your brother's flying creature is if you had an enchantment like Levitation or Spidersilk Armor on the battlefield that would give Progenitus those static abilities while working around the restrictions of Protection.
Condor_96
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Ah, Progenitus. Biggest baddiest fattie out there.
What were you thinking, Wizards?
001010011100101110
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Sudden Spoiling then Terminate? Does it go in the graveyard? Since it says "would" I would assume that it doesn't activate while within the graveyard.
@CornIsGood It says would! WOULD! Doesn't work that way.
great card, but, like all good magic cards, it can be beaten. you just have to find a way
for example, while it's in your hand, i can distress it, to get rid of it for a while or, i hit you with Scalpelexis and he gets exiled from your library.
or, i just run over him with my primalcruxes and khalni hydra, since trample is based on assigned damage, not dealt damage.
very, very hard to hard cast if you aren't running any color mana ramp, like bird of paradise to fill in the blanks or cultivate to grab the lands you need.
of course, you can cheat it out by turn 4, with things like elvish piper
this guy is damn good, but he still has his weaknesses. if you can drop him early, it's game over, but there are ways to deal with him
If you want her to fly, play Islands and bin a Wonder. It's kind of appropriate when you consider the flavor text:
"The awestruck birds gazed at Wonder. Slowly, timidly, they rose into the air." —Scroll of Beginnings
Sounds like the sort of thing that ought to happen, when the Soul of the World has returned.
Igooog
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
this is the better artwork for this card by far.
ZestuXIII
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
People seem to think the "NO" in "NO RUG" stands for Natural Order. And I can see how that mistake can be made, seeing as how thats the key card in the deck. But thats a misconception. It actually means "NO, YOU CAN'T !"
But seriously, I was absolutely astounded when I discovered NO RUG. What? That guy whose been sitting in my trade binder is USEFUL now? And he's a deck to beat? My day just got happier.
The first time I read this, I could have sworn it was an Un-card. I was "Say what....!?"
LordRandomness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Do replacement abilities count as triggered abilities? Could you, for instance, Stifle?
Totema
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Tapir Not sure if trolling, or just ignorant.
dingophone
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
What can I say? It's the Soul of the Freakin' World. And he has lots of heads. Ends the game fast, and kills enemy morale. 5/5
blobman
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
This card is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Its ability which is protection of everything means it cant be put in the graveyard. The only way to technicly kill it is to exile it. Also it is a 10/10!!!!!!!!!!!!
Drvst
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I don't know what they were smoking when they printed this. This is the sort of card that makes 13 year olds happy, but any serious player just goes "#%@$%!#@#$@!#$"
nunyaJs
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This art is awesome! It fits... some titanic horror barely glimpsed though the clouds. The From the vault art just kinna falls flat. 4/5
HedronMyr
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@001010011100101110
I say avoid the question altogether. Run Sudden Spoiling like you suggested, then drop an Oblivion Ring. Unless he can counter the O Ring or runs enchantment removal, Progenitus is out of the game.
For any artifact decks that run BW, you can do one better. If you have three artifacts on the battlefield, run Sudden Spoiling and then surprise him with Dispatch.
Or you could always counter it with something like Dissipate before it resolves.
SliversandHydras
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(1 vote)
This card is depressing to see cast four turns in a row on your enemies side...
jonfck
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I still think the funniest way to counter progenitus is playing Godhead of Awe or the total mess Light of Day , the biggest problem with progenitus he need reach and also look on that size he should have it...
pedrodyl
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I like it. An MTG big creature staple for years to come. WotC, print more mythics like this!
Scormio
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Okay...what if I Wrath of God then use Sundial of the Infinite when its "would be put into a graveyard" ability triggers? Would that put it in the graveyard? Is that even a trigger ability that I can respond too?
mdakw576
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Progenitus is my EDH general. The deck is basically a bunch of badasses and mana ramp with Progenitus leading the pack.
Admiral_Ferret
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I get a little upset every time I play this card and someone flies over it. On that note, I found it awesome to play with Sorin Markov make life 10, attack, win (typically).
But to see his half-lengthed heads in the clouds and not have reach.. still makes me depressed. I do agree the art for this is better than the other, but at least the other one's not clearly able to go above the clouds >_<'
5/5 still though.
On a last note: honestly, I find it remarkably easy to be rid of by my opponents via Discard, Global, sacrifice, counters..
JimT70
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Is that you, Chuck Norris?
muggtonp
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I can has Final Judgement?
Tapir
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
$64,000 question: Can Storm Crow block this?
Enelysios
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(3 votes)
Such the better art. A friend has a foil one, and lets just say I am glad he has protection from drool.
....Which is very fitting...the only thing capable of stoping Hydra Avatar God is....wrath of other Hydra Avatar God (actually kami but who cares?).
GolemEmperion
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Huh. Well if that don't beat all.
0_CryoFire_0
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Shouldn't "Protection from everything," include protection from all the colors as well?
Scry_Kane
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Great art: massive, obscure, and therefore terrifying and sublime.
PushyCarrot
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(3 votes)
Let's see, what makes a card 5/5. 1) Awesome artwork, check! 2) Flavor text fits the theme, check! 3) The card massively influences the game, check! 4) It can be abused easily, check! 5) It makes your opponents sh!t their pants, check!
Yup, 5/5 nuff said.
kilovortex
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The new art is cool and all, but it dosen't carry with the "epic" magnitude that the original does. They should have stayed with the orginal art.
DrJack
★★☆☆☆ (2.2/5.0)(2 votes)
What could have made this guy balanced was if it had that "Echo" drawback (where you have to pay its casting cost one more time during your first upkeep after it comes into play). Remember the Elder Dragon Legends, with upkeep costs of multiple colors of mana? A dragon would cost 2RRBBUU and make you pay RBU each upkeep or it's sacked, to make sure you don't just cheat it into play without some serious thinking and preparation first. If Progenitus made you pay WWUUBBRRGG just once, the first upkeep after being cast, that would have put a stop to all those Natural Order type combos that brought him (her, it?) into play on the 2nd or 3rd turn.
NeoKoda
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Hydragods in the mist.
twiddleman12
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
R&D's Secret Lair
Shahfiz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Epic artwork.
Charles_Prefect
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
GODDAMIT! Read what "protection" does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eldrazi-Worshiper
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(4 votes)
Has from "Everything" isn't specific enough. The way i think of it is; It has protection from white, blue, green, red, and black, so in a way wrath of god can't destroy it since it's white. And you can't make your opponent sacrifice it since it has protection from "everything" and since sacrifice is a term, its something and since it's something its part of "everything" so you can't sacrifice it.
Beautiful BEAUTIFUL card. Jaime Jones did a goddamn fantastic job capturing the sheer epicness of this creature. The heads disappear into the heavens, the body is hazy from the distance alone. You can't even see the entire beast.
If somebody asked me, "Which of these could destroy the magic universe, judging on appearance alone?", Show me any Leviathan, each and every one of the Eldrazi, Nicol Bolas, etc... I'd have to pick the Progenitus every time.
Except that "from the vault" monstrocity; screw that thing.
Game wise Progenitus is a hilarious card. Like the Eldrazi. It's one of those cards that can make either player flip the table. If it gets out, the game is over, if it gets countered or bounced somehow, the defending player's life is over.
I've seen so many climax/anticlimaxes hinge from this critter.
Continue
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Protection from everything means:
Shroud Unblockable Prevent all damage that would be done to it Cannot be enchanted or equipped
It can, however, still die, as long as something doesn't target it or you have to sacrifice it. Sigarda gets rid of the sacrifice part, while indestructible would take care about the last pesky little part. Not completely invulnerable but damn close.
Mephy.
★★☆☆☆ (2.2/5.0)(3 votes)
WITHOUT the rulings, protection from everything would be so subjective. I mean, if he has protection from everything, he has protection from not being able to attack, so he has haste. Also, he has protection from the stack, and therefore cannot be cast. Also, he has protection from being put into a deck, and cannot be played. Protection from design means we need to undo him. Must. Stop. Speaking. Protection from theorycraft.
Keiya
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(5 votes)
This card has protection from ratings, so I can't give it a rating.
ParallaxtheRevan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Anyone ever played "Zeus: Master of Olympus" ? It's a civilization-genre game. Anyway the intro shows Zeus battling Typhon. I think Zeus would have lost if it had been Progenitus. :3
In fact I find it immensely difficult to believe Progenitus wasn't partly inspired by Typhon.
Also "R&D's Secret Lair" is obviously the best combo card with it.
And Duel Decks: the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Emrakul) versus King Ghidorah (Progenitus) still needs to be a thing.
Use Levitation Prog! ;o Yoda Say: SIZE MATTERS NOT! XD (that's not what Yoda's Wife said though)
This useless thing can't even block storm crow. :D
Winhert
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
So, uh, that's what Selesnyans worship?
TheWrathofShane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
So basically an unblockable 10/10 with shroud.
ViashinoWizard
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Alternate flavor text: "To Timmy. Love, R&D"
@Zulutw0: Actually, Protection also prevents the target from being enchanted (if applicable). You could Aura Graft something onto him, but it would immediately be put into the graveyard as a state-based effect.
All_Is_Dust
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I absolutely love everything about this card. The flavor, the "oh my sweet Urza it's Progenitus" feeling when it hits the field, and how fast it kills people. Finest Hour is a perfect companion for this beast.
And may I say this thing looks BEAUTIFUL in foil. So happy I have one ^_^
He's not that hard to summon when you don't have to pay his mana cost.
Also how does he not have reach, but spiders do?
IamjustnotCreative
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
As of Theros, God is now a subtype. Progenitus should be errated to have God in it's subtype too...
Monopwn
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Protection from colors, protection from activated abilities.... These are also things which should fall under everything... Also protection from colorless... We should be able to assume he has every protection effect that's ever been printed, at least that which exists should fall under as "everything"
BirkaBirkowski
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Too bad he isn't doing combat damage this turn. Sad that a measly bit of fog stops a giant hydra from annihilating everything.
Reaginicwolf
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(1 vote)
In an EDH game this guy seems unstoppable plus whith him as a commander you can splash in all the colors, adding cards like Cruel Ultimatum and Conflux. Yeah this guy is awesome, just use him as a commander just to splash in all those cool and cruel cards.
EvilDarkVoid
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(1 vote)
While "Protection from everything" is obviously a lot cooler, sometimes I wish this card instead read, "Shroud, Unblockable, Progenitus cannot be dealt damage or enchanted." It would have created a lot less arguments.
EGarrett01
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I would say this ability makes it the closest representation of Chuck Norris in Magic.
Xenagod
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@wrathofShane pactually protection means even a wrath of god would not kill Him. Protection from white means can't be affected at all.
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sounds quite awesome, doesn't it? ;)
hardling suprising, though - it's a double woo-berg! :D
almost paradoxical, considering magic's rules won't let it stand a Wrath of God^^
Quite Timmylicious, though. You DONT want to see this on the table without you having one of those aforementioned ways to kill it..
I'll just cross my fingers that Progenitus can make it in Vintage! (Not with me playing of course).
- Oleander (3
Problem is that protection doesn't give a indestructible effect, so although it can't be damaged by anything and it can't be targeted by anything. wrath of god doesn't do damage or target it. It's been my long held belief that protection should be given a indestructible from what it is protected from.
Lay that down turn two when you play a deck you know has pro. and watch it go away. take your ten hp and smile =P
"Protection from everything" means the following:
* Progenitus can't be blocked.
* Progenitus can't be enchanted or equipped.
* Progenitus can't be the target of spells or abilities.
* All damage that would be dealt to Progenitus is prevented.
Progenitus can still be affected by effects that don't target it or deal damage to it (such as Wrath of God).
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So it's just like "Protection of all colors". This "everything" made quite a mess, and confused the magic community... well at least it do the trick and made it quite expensive on market.
Like Oleander said "If Progenitus is not immunne to all spells, that defeats the purpose of him being an awe-inspiring mythic rare."
I second that
Artifact Creature
The Goggles have protection from wrath of god.
0/1
"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!"
(The art, however, simply makes me happy.)
You could permanently kill Progenitus with Thought Hemorrhage though!
@sporny: one neat way to kill Progenitus could be to use Sudden Spoiling which makes all creatures target player controls 0/2s and lose all abilities until end of turn, then use Unmake or some cheap burn spell on it.
@ wrathofthemany: I highly agree, and I've found that Mindwrack Liege is probably even easier to pull off than Maelstrom Archangel b/c you don't have to wait to do dmg to an opponent, and the ability is like an instant, so unless there is something to counter the Liege or it's ability, w/e you were going to play (i.e Progenitus) will come out anyway. The Archangel downside only being that you have to do dmg, but allows you to play any non-land spell, while the Liege's ability only works on red and blue creatures. So really, to each their own, w/e works better for you, me, I use both means, lol.
I think this is, so far, the "exodia" of creatures, b/c it's so hard to deal with, the game is practically over unless someone has some clever combo to get rid of it. If you combo Progenitus with Rage Reflection and/or Wound Reflection, you could kill in one hit rather than two, especially in multiplayer games....but then you'd have painted a HUGE target on ur forehead saying "forget free for all, gang up on the guy (or gal) with Progenitus!!!!".
You know the only way I know to kill Progenitus with one card that's not mass removal or w/e is playing a 2nd Progenitus to trigger the Legend rule.
There is even a group on Facebook called "I got killed by Progenitus" just fyi for anyone that hates getting pwned by it.
But it can still be wrathed.
WAIT. EDIT.
Everything.
Doesn't everything include "Protection from Wrath of God"?
I'm getting somewhere here...
oh well, my little rant on this card
Can I just--
No.
But what abo--
No.
Maybe--
No.
if its pro. from everything.... wouldnt it be protection from destroy?
Protection rule:
Protection from "X" means:
Damage from "X" sources is prevented.
Cannot be Enchanted, Equipped, or Fortified by X sources.
Cannot be Blocked by "X" sources.
Cannot be Targeted by "X" sources.
Use the mnemonic device DEBT to remember this.
Therefore, Progenitus would read as follows:
Cannot be damaged by anything.
Cannot be enchanted by or equipped with anything.
Cannot be blocked by anything.
Cannot be targeted by anything.
Consider the following ways around protection:
1 - Spells and abilities without the word "target" in their text.
A perfect example of a spell of this type is the always amazing Wrath of God.
2 - Sacrificing
Whether you decide to sacrifice Progenitus yourself for some reason or a spell or ability compels you to sacrifice a creature, you must do so if Progenitus is the only creature you can sacrifice. Good responses to this besides countering the spell (which really only works if you plan on running blue) are spells like Spectral Procession (which already enjoys heavy play) and Dragon Fodder (which is much cheaper to obtain). Both of those spells would provide you with legal targets, and when played in response to a spell, would resolve first, giving you your spirits or goblins BEFORE you're forced to sacrifice something.
3 - Prevention
Consider the spell Angelsong:
Angelsong
W1: Prevent all combat damage that would be done this turn, Cycling: 2
Angelsong doesn't target anything, it just prevents damage. If it had a target, it would be damage from a source. Therefore, since it targets DAMAGE, Progenitus can't damage a player who plays Angelsong that turn.
4 - Protection
Yes, you can use protection against protection, but not in the way you might think. Progenitus cannot be blocked by anything, even if another creature also had protection from everything. However, if a PLAYER has protection from a source all of the rules for protection apply.
Example: If I have protection from black and you declare Progenitus as an attacker, since he is black all of the damage that would be dealt to me by him (or any black source) would be prevented. If I play Runed Halo and name Progenitus as a card I wish to have protection from, Progenitus cannot harm me (as long as Runed Halo is in play).
Also, keep in mind two things:
1 - Not all spells and effects that can potentially harm Progenitus are bad.
Every "liege" card from the Shadowmoor block will give Progenitus +2/+2, since their static abilities stipulate "all creatures you control," not "all target creatures." A great card that offers universal pumping is Glorious Anthem, which gives all creatures you control +1/+1. Spells that don't specifically target Progenitus (for example, if a spell reads "put a +1/+1 counter on any number of creatures you control," the spell does not target Progenitus and counters don't target, since they aren't spells, so you can put a counter on him if you wish.
2 - Unless a card specifically contradicts this, all cards with protection only have protection (or grant protection) when IN PLAY (or "ON THE BATTLEFIELD," if you're more familiar with that wording)!
This is BAD because you can be forced to remove Progenitus from the game by certain spells if it's in your hand. This is GOOD because you can use spells an effects to play Progenitus for cheap from your hand.
I think I went a bit overboard here. The beauty of Progenitus is that he will never hit the graveyard; you just keep shuffling him back into your deck. This is especially cool if you have ways of retrieving him from there. I myself have considered Mayael the Anima as a means of playing Progenitus, as well as Mindwrack Liege and the Hideaway lands, especially Mosswort Bridge and Windbrisk Heights. Also, the equipment Deathrender can bring Progenitus out of your hand for FREE. Consult the Gatherer and READ THE RULINGS on Deathrender for more information.
Thank you for your time.
i've build a RU about this guy.
R- lots of token-producers spells. no creatures.
U- few counterspells and.... polymorph!!!
and, since progenitus is the only creturein your deck, it will surely bring him!
on turn 3, with the right accel... youv'e got the mother of all the monsters.
How quaint
There are common artifact cards, i.e. Kaleidostone, which give you the ability to pay five mana of any color for one of each color. Because up to four of the same card are allowed in a single deck, common artifact cards like Kaleidostone cause casting a beast like Progenitus almost easy.
Progenitus is almost invincible, there are very few ways around it's protection from everything, not to mention its 10 toughness.
It is an immensely powerful card, with so few ways to destroy it... And can be cast for a relatively fair mana cost.
if you make it the only creature in your deck and have bitterblossom/goblin assault as your creature makers you can hit polymorph and only go into progentius :)
My big creature is progenitus and i was reading the new rules down by deathtouch and theres a line that says "If more than one legendary permanent with the same name is on the battlefield, they're all put into their owners' graveyards." And i was like why that completely ruins me because i have had 3 of these guys out by the 7 turn and one in my hand. So someone please tell me this isn't official please lol well it would be weird thats for sure.
p.s. How do I do this a white/green deck with urza's mana set. Tooth and nail, planar portal, and elvish piper and i have on my side board dragon archs and wuicksilver amulet yea works great but if this uniqueness is true then im goin to keep 2 in my deck and put 2 of Darksteel Colossus or something havent decided
That would be a sick combination Akroma's memorial , Elspeth, Progenitus.
the thing is though, since wrath of god (and i might as well throw in the disc, catastrophe et al) isnt targeted (its simply bury all creatures), then the protection doesn't work. protections works against damage (ranging from lightning bolts to wildfires) and targeted abilities (terror, death stroke)..
it wont protect against untargeted abilities, including humility, wrath of god, diabolic edict or nevinyrral's disk
portection from everything also means protection from all colours and artifacts
Shroud
Can't be dealt Damage
Darksteel Collosus Shuffle.
10/10 body. not bad, not bad at all.
correct me if I'm wrong, but this is THE biggest unblockable creature is it not?
No, Progenitus can be killed by Wrath of God. Wrath of God does not target. Nor does it damage.
Progenitus can be killed by it. It does not matter if Wrath of God is white. It only matters if Wrath of God targets, enchants, equips, or blocks Progenitus. It does none of those things, therefore it can be dealt with using Wrath of God.
The reason a Burrenton Forge Tender, for example, can ignore a Pyroclasm is because while Pyroclasm does not target, it damages ("deals 2 damage to each creature and player"). Because it specifically says "damage", protection from red kicks in and stops it.
The reason a White Knight can ignore a Terror (or Doom Blade if we want to keep up with the times) is because although Terror/Doom Blade does not damage its target (it says "destroy"), it still targets it and protection from black kicks in and stops it.
Wrath of God does not damage, nor does it target, and thus it can, unfortunately, destroy Progenitus.
No need to argue this. I do this in MTGO and removed the Progenitus successfully....
You can also use a Bloom Tender and Fusion Elemental.
Also, you can get a few Birds of Paradise out on the first couple turns. Then play a Composite Golem on turn 4. Finish off by sacking your Composite Golem and tapping your other permanents for WUBRG+WUBRG=Progenitus!
I actually had an opponent forfeit even though he had a Progenitus. I had close to 100 life though...
Hah, this is like the super-card of magic. It's the most invulnrable card, and it has a crazy mana cost. Sure, you could dream up even more powerful cards, but there's no point. It's time to make practical titans.
False Prophet or Martyr's Cry et cetera.
he happens to be the most expensive card to play because of his absurd mana cost
Oh, and cry me a river, J a n u s Aurelius.
Problem solved
Beyond that, it's quite tough to give this creature vigilance (at least in standard... off the top of my head, one of the only cards that could do it would be Ajani Goldmane using his second ability), so if your opponent attacks with it, they can't block next turn - meaning they'll have an opening. Beyond that, he has all 5 colours, meaning that if you can get a creature with protection from anything they can coast pass him unaffected. There are ways to get around him, even without removing him.
In any case, for a 10 mana, very specific creature, he deserves to be a gamewinner. In any case, at least he can't one shot a 20 health opponent in 1 turn (in most cases).
As for me, I'm thinking of a way I could get him out quickly and finish the game with him... perhaps getting a Madrush Cyclops out on turn 2/3 (with mana accel from green), Elvish Piper on the next turn + Progenitus swinging, then winning on the next turn.
Granted im not disputing what already has been said.... that is all well and good.
My only addition to the conversation is this:
Petrified Wood-Kin
He is a 3/3 but more interestingly he has protection from instants.
That kinda opens a pandora's box with protection... cuz now you can redefine 'everything' to include card types.
So everything could now apply to; spell opponents control.. or... Enchantments .... or ... Sorcery.
There was also a white enchantment 'Unquestioned Authority (or something like that)' that gave enchanted creature protection from creatures.
Would it no be logical that if it is possible to be pro creatures.. than you could also possibly have pro spells?
I would think protection from EVERYTHING engulfs all of this.
sooo this card = almost defo win in 2 turn max.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/22
Read the Conflux FAQ at the bottom.
Even if you were right about it having protection from spells, creatures, and everything: two words-
Lava Burst
"Effects that prevent or redirect damage cannnot be used to protect that creature."
Progenitus have protection from EVERYTHING. In a sense, you could say it have "protection from spells" also. It even have protection from each individual Magic card by name!
But, if protection from the color of the spell don't save it, why having protection from any other characteristic of that spell will make it different in any sense?
Having "protection from spells" is as useless as "protection from white" against Wrath of God. It would still means "can't be targeted, attached, or blocked by any spell, and damage from any spell is prevented". WoG don't do any of these things.
Not even "protection from the name Wrath of God" helps: It can't be targeted, attached or blocked by WoG, and damage from WoG is prevented. Still useless against WoG's effect.
Honestly, it's easy to survive Progenitus (just use basic life gain), and hella hard to make an effective deck that doesn't completely fail if he doesn't come out for you. Not nearly as great a card as some people think.
mass about literally 10+ 1/1 tokens.
then ovverun.
twice. ;) (i've done it before)
Q: Does Day of Judgment/Wrath of God block this card?
A: No...
Q: Does Day of Judgment/Wrath of God target this card?
A: No...
Q: Does Day of Judgment/Wrath of God deals damage to this card?
A: No...
Q: Does Day of Judgment/Wrath of God enchant this card?
A: No...
Q: Does this card has haste?
A: No..
Way to go...
1: Darksteel Colossus is indestructible.
2: Darksteel Colossus can be powered up. Progenitus has protection from everything. Your buff cards too!
3: Darksteel Colossus can be cast with any mana, even colorless. Makes him easier to play without an effect.
4: Darksteel Colossus is NOT legendary ... Soul Foundry FTW
This would be good in a deck with lots of global buff effects, but the Colossus is still way better imo. Still a nice card to have though. I think this has more collectors value than actual game value ...
PS: Oh yes, Darksteel Colossus CAN withstand Wrath of God...
Sudden Spoiling, Ixidron, Humility.
Be prepared to deal with this monster!
At any rate, I could go over kill strategies for both of these cards but I'm not in the mood.
at any rate:
massive color weight and manna cost: -** */2
Protection from everything: +***
other trick that I don't really care about: +*/2
Final rating: ****
Keep this in a green "stompy" deck with a few Elvish Pipers, four Channel the Suns, and maybe a mycosynth lattice (if you REALLY need to pay for it the old fashioned way with only green mana). Back the mana generation with a few Civic Wayfinders or other mana-elves, and you should be able to play him pretty quickly, assuming that you draw him in time.
As far as the problem of being killed with cards like Wrath of God or Damnation, consider using him in a deck with both mycosynth lattice and darksteel forge. Darksteel Forge will protect Progenitus from destroy effects, now, since Darksteel forge and Mycosynth Lattice are global effects, anyway.
Honestly, I played him in a five-color artifact deck that had these as their background:
Progenitus (4)
Darksteel Forge
Mycosynth Lattice
Channel the Suns
Demonic Tutor
Helm of Awakening (4)
+ other stuff.
I played three helms of awakening, making Channel the Suns only cost 1 green mana, which allowed me to play Progenitus for 2 mana. Demonic tutor made this combo much faster, and much more devious.
Hope that helps yo!
Dark Steel Colossus is indestructible, so, he can't be destroyed, even by Wrath Of God, buuuuuut, If you use Boomerang on it, or any card/effect that sends it back to its owners hand or deck, then that should work just fine on DSC. NOT SO on Progenitus. Boomerang? Thats a blue spell. Protected against those. Royal Assassins ability wants to kill it cuz its tapped? Nope, its protected against abilities.
Protection against everything is protection against yo.
702.14. Protection
702.14a Protection is a static ability, written “Protection from .” This quality is usually a
color (as in “protection from black”) but can be any characteristic value. If the quality happens
to be a card name, it is treated as such only if the protection ability specifies that the quality is a
name. If the quality is a card type, subtype, or supertype, the ability applies to sources that are
permanents with that card type, subtype, or supertype and to any sources not on the battlefield
that are of that card type, subtype, or supertype. This is an exception to rule 109.2.
702.14i “Protection from everything” is a variant of the protection ability. A permanent with
protection from everything has protection from each object regardless of that object’s
characteristic values. Such a permanent can’t be targeted by spells or abilities, enchanted by
Auras, equipped by Equipment, fortified by Fortifications, or blocked by creatures, and all
damage that would be dealt to it is prevented.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/22
Once Progenitus is on the table, there are a few options: mass removal that doesn't use damage, such as Wrath of God; or making a player sacrifice a creature when he or she doesn't have another choice.
"Protection from everything" means the following:
Progenitus can't be blocked.
Progenitus can't be enchanted or equipped.
Progenitus can't be the target of spells or abilities.
All damage that would be dealt to Progenitus is prevented.
Progenitus can still be affected by effects that don't target it or deal damage to it (such as Wrath of God).
No Flying.
No Trample.
Essentially no evasion.
Nothing that wins you the game.
Why the hell play him instead of another, better creature (such as Iona or Darksteel Colossus)?
i do agree that the cost is cost is very high but have you though of elvish piper ?
It's a fine timmy card but I never saw anyone win by Progenitus.
You can counter it with a 1 mana force spike.
You can kill it with a 1 mana innocent blood.
If you want one yourself you can clone it for a 4 mana clone.
You can keep it away with simple fog effects like tangle.
Or you kill it with any sort of mass removal like day of judgement.
And that he is shuffled into your library is a disadvantage since it prevents reanimation.
It's a great casual card, and makes many people happy which is nice too. But up to now I never saw it kill a player. I think many people interpret to much into "protection from everything". It doesn't mean it's invulnerable. It just means it can't be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked by creatures or targeted. There are still cards that can steal it, clone it, bounce it, force you to sac it, exile it, shuffle it away, destroy it, counter it, keep it tapped, prevent its damaged and so on.
I'll admit, he's over powered to an extent, but I mean, you got several ways to defeat it. Counter it before it comeso n the field, use a card that hits multiple creatures, or get rid of it before it even hits the ground (While it's still in the hand.) As for the mana cost. Well, it's not that bad if you build a deck that built around gathering mana. I built a multicolored deck that pulls mana out quickly. I put in a lot of big creatures including progenitis and never had a problem with getting him on the field. The only down fall to this card is that he doen't have vigilance. If he had vigilance, he would still be OP but there are easy ways around that. Send an army of 1/1 creatures to deal X damage, yeah you lose a creature, but, you still deal x-1 damage. Basically, just send out more monsters. Progenitis can't block but one of them.
and now, Reasios Progenitus is better.
1. Progenitus is unblockable.
2. Progenitus can't be killed by spells that remove him from the game (Unless it is a global effect)
3. Progenitus can't be taken control of by another player
4. Progenitus can be boosted using knight of new alara, to a whopping 15/15
Reasons Darksteel is better
1. Darksteel can be boosted
2. Darksteel can withstand the wrath of god
3, With the right cards, you can make duplicates of darksteel
4. you can have more than one darksteel in play at the same time
5. Darksteel is colorless
Make your own choice, but I personally think progenitus is better.
And I know this is a really long review, but I think that if something has protection from something, it shouldn't be able to affected by it. Like if something has protection from black, it shouldnt be affected by damnation.
Don't forget it's only a creature. if you put 3 auras in another,for making it a creature with 11 defense, this one will become useless.
it's very difficult to cast it too and you always can kill it while it's in the opponent's hand (with telepathy + Talara's Bane, suposing it's all card types) , or with non target spells like slice and dice
And, of course, creatures aren't all in this game. By the time the opponent could cast progenitus, his life points will be low enough for killing him with enchantments like lightning bolt, searing flesh or banefire
Akroma's Memorial
Need I say more?
doesnt target, legend rule applies, both get shuffled
As for Pregenitus, sure it's great but it just isn't fun for me. Obveiously, no one hard casts this thing. People use tricks to get it out quicker and easier. I would much rather use a combo to cast a Emrakul, the Aeons Torn than Pregenitus.
Proof that Progenitus can be taken over:
1: Get out something that let's you take control of creatures, such as, in my example, my Shiny New Nicol Bolas.
2: Play Ixidron. Progenitus is now a little 2/2 creature with no abilities.
3: Take your Shiny New Progenitus.
4: Play Ixidor, Reality Sculptor.
5: Use Ixidor to turn Progenitus back into himself.
6: ???
7: Profit!
Progenitus can certainly be destroyed. "Destroyed" is an effect that removes a permanent from the battlefield and sends it to the graveyard. Progenitus simply has an ability that replaces the "sent to the graveyard" clause with "shuffled back into its owner's library" in its particular instance of destruction.
There are plenty of answers to this creature, they just have a very narrow wording to them. My personal favorite is Jace, the Mind Sculptor, which is not so much an answer to this card as it is to the whole deck this card is in.
Turn One: land, mana producer of choice (Birds, Llanowar Elves, Noble Heirarch)
Turn Two: Lotus Cobra, fetchland (any), Amulet of Vigor (from mana off of cobra)
Turn Three: Lotus Cobra, fetchland (again, any), pop both fetches, six in your pool. Primeval Titan. Search up two more fetches (four mana), pop them both (eight mana), tap them for the last ten mana and BAM.
@SoulShatterer
Banefire still can't target him.
@PhyrexianLobbiest
Lava Burst still can't target him.
@KillSwitch555
Elvish Piper is a common way to get him out without playing all 5 colors.
When I compare this to the new eldrazi, I'm sad.
Colorless monster are no fun.
As much as I love getting punched in the face by a 10/10 unblockable, I feel like the flavor should let it have protection from cards too. I mean it does say everything...
Of course, he is foiled by a simple Circle of Protection: /color/
LOL.
Progenitus can't be blocked.
Progenitus can't be enchanted or equipped.
Progenitus can't be the >target< of spells or abilities.
All damage that would be dealt to Progenitus is prevented.
Good creature: HELL YES
Elvish piper/fist of suns plox: yes
Turns opponent will live after you play it: 1-3
Luck needed to kill it: LOTS, only a few cards in magic can so much as touch it, and even if they do it just goes back into your library
Final Score: 5/5
T1: Two Black Lotuses (One blue, one green), Channel the Suns, Twin Cast. Progenitus.
I agree with other people; this card makes me want a 5 color deck. The only two cards to do this are this and Reaper King. Not even because of it's abilities, and those are ridiculous good (though wanting for a trample-adding effect such as Primal Rage or even, dare I say, Rancor), but because it is one of my most favorite pieces of art in the game.
and as for playing it? good luck!
Bad Wizards
except the art, it's cute and yummy
If you're playing a group, fun game, maybe. But for all practical purposes, this card is going to be very difficult to get out before getting soundly thrashed.
My 2 cents on the matter.
Not being able to keep him in the graveyard might be a downside.
I give progenitus 4.5/5, simply because if you cheat it into play is it one of the best creatures. If you are trying to hardcast, it is more dfficicult.
R&D are going to need to do some serious thinking if anything better than this comes along.
There are lots of cards that will eat it:
Cruel Edict
Diabolic Edict
Wrath of god
Damnation
Akroma's Vengeance
Gatekeeper of Malakir
Wing Shards
Funny way to get rid of it is also:
Godhead of Awe + shrivel
Godhead of Awe + Zealous Persecution. D'oh!
Of course, because of the costs involved, this combo should only be used in a blue/white deck that is splashed with plenty of white/black and blue/black generating non-basic lands.
I accidentally your Progenitus.
Same goes to all those Pro. Red creatures. Enjoy.
I'm going to assume that you were just making a poor attempt at trolling. Otherwise I'll be forced to assume you just like to make up your own rules as you go because you can't grasp the basic tenets of how Magic works.
@Atali: Indeed, the Clone does not target...
I've always considered it highly unflavorful that shapeshifters trigger the Legend Rule.
REALLY?!?! How many booster boxes did you buy?
I assume you're joking. Terror only works on non-black creatures and not only is Progenitus black but also has protection from black which terror also is.
This just cries out Scornful Egotist and Juxtapose to me.
T1. Forest, Arbor Elf
T2. Forest, tap it to play Utopia Sprawl on your other forest, Tap said forest and untap with arbor elf, Harrow, drop Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary and Orochi Leafcaller.
T3. You have 11 Mana of any colour.
then gain I'm not too surprised they made a card like this considering it came from Alara
ill give it 4 for being preposterous, flavorful, and powerful
Progenitus: 1
Magic the Gathering: 0
For teh lulz.
Dragon. Arch.
Duel Decks: Emrakul vs. Progenitus
@DarthParallax: What part of "Can't enter the graveyard" don't you understand? YOU. CAN'T. ENTOMB. PROGENITUS. GET OVER IT.
2 Orochi Leafcaller
2 Birds of Paradise
2 Verdant Eidolon
1 Joiner Adept
1 Dawn's Reflection
1 Trace of Abundance
2 Kaleidostone
3 Signets from Dissension
some random mulitcolor creatures for defense and offense until I can get Door or Pro (my favorites being Winged Coatl and the mimics from Eventide)
and then a couple of sorceries to get out the Pro:
Demand
Time of Need
Overall, a fun Timmy/Johnny deck. I know there are awesome combos to get Pro out earlier, but again, this is working from the random cards I have gotten over the couple of years I have played.
Suck it.
Also,
Major Teroh
all the progen decks i've played usually only have 4 of him
and a place set of elvish piper so normally i have at least two edicts in hand
just in case if them trying to get off with just sacking the piper.
Here's how to entomb Progenitus on turn one.
Turn one, dark ritual, Yixlid Jailer, Entomb. Did I just blow your mind?
Progenitus would have to reach the graveyard to lose his abilities.
but seriously, if this were 'just' a matter of of getting to 10 mana and drawing it and having all 5 colors open, playing 'straight' (relying on some gay-ass heart of the cards to magically make it happen for you) then it would still be a 3-star card because 'Protection from Everything' kind of... wow. on a 10/10!
biggest mistake ever: he should have had reach and extra blocking, but whatevs.
in the real world, we have access to Fauna Shaman, Sylvan Wish, Elvsih Piper, Dramatic Entrance, heck the guy even has his own Keeper of Progenitus. oh, and Prismatic Omen.
in short, a very simple elf deck can combo this guy out any day of the week you want. it might be possible to hardcast it on turn 2 with Vintage tech, though at that point I would just Dark Ritual x2, Entomb and Living Death it. and even Entomb + Living Death might not be the 'best' thing you can do...there is unlikely to ever be a more powerful creature in the game, although some of them are more useful. Tinker+Blightsteel vs. Living Death + Progenitus would be an interesting Clash of the Titans match.
EDIT: OK, I goofed on the Entomb. Oops, lol. i REALLY want to see Duel Decks: Flying Spaghetti Monster vs. King Ghidorah, though- GREAT CALL Superllama12!!!!!!! XDDDDDD
Flying is an evasive ability that creatures have, so it's not something that falls under the realm of what Protection from ________ does (for a full explanation, see Gunhaver's post).
The only way your Progenitus could have blocked your brother's flying creature is if you had an enchantment like Levitation or Spidersilk Armor on the battlefield that would give Progenitus those static abilities while working around the restrictions of Protection.
What were you thinking, Wizards?
@CornIsGood It says would! WOULD! Doesn't work that way.
for example, while it's in your hand, i can distress it, to get rid of it for a while
or, i hit you with Scalpelexis and he gets exiled from your library.
or, i just run over him with my primalcruxes and khalni hydra, since trample is based on assigned damage, not dealt damage.
very, very hard to hard cast if you aren't running any color mana ramp, like bird of paradise to fill in the blanks or cultivate to grab the lands you need.
of course, you can cheat it out by turn 4, with things like elvish piper
this guy is damn good, but he still has his weaknesses. if you can drop him early, it's game over, but there are ways to deal with him
5/5
If you want her to fly, play Islands and bin a Wonder. It's kind of appropriate when you consider the flavor text:
"The awestruck birds gazed at Wonder. Slowly, timidly, they rose into the air."
—Scroll of Beginnings
Sounds like the sort of thing that ought to happen, when the Soul of the World has returned.
But seriously, I was absolutely astounded when I discovered NO RUG. What? That guy whose been sitting in my trade binder is USEFUL now? And he's a deck to beat? My day just got happier.
*troll face
I say avoid the question altogether. Run Sudden Spoiling like you suggested, then drop an Oblivion Ring. Unless he can counter the O Ring or runs enchantment removal, Progenitus is out of the game.
For any artifact decks that run BW, you can do one better. If you have three artifacts on the battlefield, run Sudden Spoiling and then surprise him with Dispatch.
Or you could always counter it with something like Dissipate before it resolves.
Playing him with Elvish Piper is also fun.
But to see his half-lengthed heads in the clouds and not have reach.. still makes me depressed. I do agree the art for this is better than the other, but at least the other one's not clearly able to go above the clouds >_<'
5/5 still though.
On a last note: honestly, I find it remarkably easy to be rid of by my opponents via Discard, Global, sacrifice, counters..
....Which is very fitting...the only thing capable of stoping Hydra Avatar God is....wrath of other Hydra Avatar God (actually kami but who cares?).
Yup, 5/5 nuff said.
Read what "protection" does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If somebody asked me, "Which of these could destroy the magic universe, judging on appearance alone?", Show me any Leviathan, each and every one of the Eldrazi, Nicol Bolas, etc... I'd have to pick the Progenitus every time.
Except that "from the vault" monstrocity; screw that thing.
Game wise Progenitus is a hilarious card. Like the Eldrazi. It's one of those cards that can make either player flip the table. If it gets out, the game is over, if it gets countered or bounced somehow, the defending player's life is over.
I've seen so many climax/anticlimaxes hinge from this critter.
Shroud
Unblockable
Prevent all damage that would be done to it
Cannot be enchanted or equipped
It can, however, still die, as long as something doesn't target it or you have to sacrifice it. Sigarda gets rid of the sacrifice part, while indestructible would take care about the last pesky little part. Not completely invulnerable but damn close.
Must. Stop. Speaking. Protection from theorycraft.
In fact I find it immensely difficult to believe Progenitus wasn't partly inspired by Typhon.
Also "R&D's Secret Lair" is obviously the best combo card with it.
And Duel Decks: the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Emrakul) versus King Ghidorah (Progenitus) still needs to be a thing.
Use Levitation Prog! ;o
Yoda Say: SIZE MATTERS NOT! XD (that's not what Yoda's Wife said though)
If you just want to show him the law, you can put him under Arrest!
@Zulutw0: Actually, Protection also prevents the target from being enchanted (if applicable). You could Aura Graft something onto him, but it would immediately be put into the graveyard as a state-based effect.
And may I say this thing looks BEAUTIFUL in foil. So happy I have one ^_^
Quicksilver Amulet
Natural Order
He's not that hard to summon when you don't have to pay his mana cost.
Also how does he not have reach, but spiders do?