Fare thee well, VengeDredge. We hardly knew thee...
A0602
★☆☆☆☆ (1.6/5.0)(5 votes)
All the other colors get stuff to fight other colors. Black fights itself. :(
Seb19
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(3 votes)
three word Mist of stagnation But your friend will hate you...
Arthindole
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A certain Helm from Alliances is happy once more :)
mdakw576
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(3 votes)
i find it interesting that black's leyline is the only reprint, while the other colors got new ones.
coyotemoon722
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(4 votes)
This card, and only this card makes Standard Mill possible again. (See: Emrakul, the Aeons Torn)
LTJZamboni
★☆☆☆☆ (1.3/5.0)(3 votes)
5/5 for ability. Making graveyard-based decks non-existent in Standard and new Extended was probably a good idea on Wizard's part.
New art is fail.
f_fivefiftyseven
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I actually think that this is the most balanced and fair of ANY of the leylines, while also not being complete crap. It hoses graveyard strategies, which makes it an amazing sideboard card, but it isn't a card to maindeck unless they become so commonplace theres nothing you can do about it (Dredge). I think that this will be more powerful than it was in Ravnica because Dredge had access to green enchantment destruction, whereas the modern day Dredgevine and Unearth decks(including Grixis and some RDW) don't have cheap or oncolour enchantment destruction.
Also enables mill once again
HairlessThoctar
★★★☆☆ (3.1/5.0)(6 votes)
Not as much to hate on these days besides Vengevine, but hey, it it ain't broke don't fix it.
I guess I can't run a Lilliana Vess in my UB mill deck if I'm running this. Great card, but now I need to rethink my strategy.
ZombieSnail
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Ruins Venegevine and protects mill from Eldrazi nonsense, making it almost viable again. It'll be hard to decide between this and Leyline of Sanctity for ma sideboard, I'll probably end up with both depending on the environment then.
Jahpocalypse
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Black getting the only reprint is lame, even if it does help mill. It also messes up a lot of black cards... Rise from the Grave, Lord of Extinction (BG i know), others i can't think of now... I just can't help but think that black got a bad deal or they were just too lazy to make a new leyline. At least it screws over Knight of the Reliquary.
DacenOctavio
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Finally, a viable Standard replacement for Relic of Progenitus. Also renders destroyed eldrazi creatures irrelevant.
While it may be counterproductive towards any and all zombie strategies, one should note that Black is moving towards Vampires as the primary tribe for the color. And Vampires don't give a crap what's in your graveyard.
5/5
Part of me will forever hate this card for that combo. Thank goodness its partner in crime isn't in Standard.
U-caster
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
...the only problem I see here is that if you wanna run an all (U) deck, you'll have to splash black for this or have it in your opening hand in order to play it.
storophanthus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
haaa.. welcome back.. i've once face this thing when battled with dimir deck..
cloneffect
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Given that Fauna Shaman just made Vengevine even more ridiculous than it already was, a bunch of these ready to sideboard in is probably a good idea for any control deck that splashes black.
Anggul
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Isn't this really bad for black? :S
Cheza
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
>>> All the other colors get stuff to fight other colors. Black fights itself. :( <<< Listen to this, R&D and then retry it.
trumpdaddy420
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Maybe we'll see a return of dredge is scars? oooooooooooooo... gives me shivers just thinking about it.
androkguz
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(7 votes)
The reason I rate this card as a 5/5 is because it can singlehandedly screw up 2 forms of first turn kills. One of those is the Protean Hulk "turn 0" klll, which doesn't have to be turn 0 at all. The other one is one which I have personally felt: the Animate Dead + Buried Alive (allowed on the first turn by a pair of rituals or some other acceleration) that searches for a Worldgorger Dragon and some other creature that would kill the opponent instantly if given infinite black mana (such as Oona)
Decks that can kill on the turn 1 are the most dangerous there is, so a card that can stop them cold get to be 5/5 (see also, Leyline of Sanctity)
Sanitarium
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Well it at least gives emeria, the sky ruin a kick in the behind
n00bmag1
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A simple addition of "you may" would have made this perfect.
Still a 4/5 imo, very nice for stopping graveyard playing and it allows mill to deal with Eldrazi.
greyhour
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Put this in my Blue White mill deck. Had to Mulligan, but it was worth it.
alblast
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
turn one kills are super lame. Preventing other people from using their graveyards(turn one or not) is amazing, especially for EDH(or commander)
Bandswithother
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(4 votes)
Actually this isn't only way to kill an Emrakul. Read Emmy's text: When Emrakul of the Aeons Torn is put into the graveyard...
You can sac a Nihil Spellbomb in response to his graveyard trigger and exile him.
This just happened in an EDH game the other night. The guy casting Emrakul looked at it, then looked at the spellbomb,pulled the spellbomb out of its sleeve, ripped it in half, and replaced it.
Ironic because this is the guy who casts End the Turn to counter other people's Emrakuls.
Completely unrelated, Opera spellcheck says Nihil isn't a word. In its place it suggests other nihil related words along with Nichol and Unholy. O_o
Lyoncet
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
This card's ability to perma-counter the absurd anti-mill cards that have sprung up of late makes me wish that I could play it in MUC-mill. I mean, I could, but I'd have to hope to get it in the opening hand. Suppose you could just sacrifice it to Mind Over Matter or something if it didn't work out.
Until Scars of Mirrodin, this was pretty much the only card that kept mill viable in standard (unless I'm missing one), which more-or-less forced mill to at least splash black - which isn't a bad choice by any means. Thankfully for those who like to run mono-blue, Scars gave us Nihil Spellbomb, which, while a much lesser card, at least gave the other colors graveyard hate and mill protection. Still, for decks with a dash of black, this card is absolutely brutal as a sideboard or even 2- or 3- of if you're really worried about dredge; it works great with some decks and will absolutely devastate some opponents.
This could also be why Void was reprinted while the other colors got a new Leyline; if WotC noticed the absence of a strategy they seemed to be trying to encourage due to that entire win condition being thwarted by a single card, it would make sense that they'd remake the best remedy. Too bad that Black ended up being down one card in the cycle, but it's understandable.
Between hosing dredge, hosing several turn-0 and turn-1 combos, hosing mill hosing, and being a possible turn 0 play, this gets an easy 5/5.
Mike-C
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(6 votes)
Attn- Vengevine and Bloodghast: "Go to Hell, Go directly to Hell! Do not pass the Battlefield, Do not collect your testiculars OR 200 dollars!!" Ha ha ha
Bouv10
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Running a black/blue mill deck, I put two of these in just to be on the safe side, with some bokuja bogs and nihil spellbombs. Needless to say, this is my favorite of the 3!
Askthespartan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Bandswithother: If that guy was in my pod I would probably punch him in the face, whether it was my spellbomb or not.
stille_nacht
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@ bandswithother nihil is latin for "nothing" :P the MORE YOU KNOW! :teach:
BegleOne
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
This is a turn-0 kill against a large section of the Legacy field.
Psychatog, your game got a lot harder. Dredge, good bye. Reanimator, you're dead. Eggs, you're toast. Vengevine, nice try. Crucible of Worlds, you're worthless. et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...
Over half the decks in Legacy run some sort of recursion, many depend on it.
Any of those decks got you down? Stick our of these and four Tormod's Crypt into the sideboard of almost any deck. If it's black, use Bojuka Bog.
Lueseto
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This kills a lot of decks out there right from the start. KILLS THEM. If it was thought to stop turn 0 combo-wins, it's like fighting fire with fire.
"okay, with this PERFECT hand i might win very fastly" graveyard player
"okay, with this SINGLE CARD in my hand I WILL win before the match starts."
At least other cards such as tormod's crypt, even though harsh enough, would let you rearm again, but with this, oh hell I'm sad... and I haven't even played such decks ever, but this cards are just so mean, GOD I HATE THEM.
ZephyrBlayze
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How would this interact with Undying?
Totema
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Among the myriad of other uses, this is also great for hosing the new planeswalker, Tamiyo.
Averyck
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Opening hand screwed over my Dralnu, lich Lord EDH deck. Had 4 turns to come up with removal. Solution? Blackmail and any number of discards, transmute my Perplex into Recoil, then cast. Lost a lot of Flashback potential. I hate this card. Forever
MANABURNWASGOOD
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ bandswithother Emrakul is banned in EDH bro.
Himborg
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Looking at the other leylines (there are 2 of each color, black only has this) I can't help but feel that black was somehow cheated out of a potentially neat, less niche enchantment.
DrJack
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Do you guys realize that if you use a Helm of Obedience with this, you will instantly remove your opponent's entire library from the game, even if you only pay 1 mana for X in the Helm's activation cost? Go ahead, check out the rulings on Helm of Obedience on the gatherer.
Basically, Leyline of the Void + Helm of Obedience is another version of the infamous Painter's Servant + Grindstone combo... except that your opponent's library is actually remove from the game ("exiled" as they say now) instead of put in the graveyard. Yikes.
Sootoo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
the helm of obedience combo with this is just deadly
however, i don´t run this combo, no matter how efficient it can be - to be able to stop others from using their gy as a second hand is pretty nice too, but this also stops you from being able to reanimate their creatures or whatever yourself, and i just love my puppeteer clique too much to trade it for this
all in all, a pretty nice card, but as long as you don´t run the helm of obedience combo, it´s rather pretty useless, imo - and the helm combo is actually already pretty known by many players, ie. if you drop this leyline on turn 0, then you also really should hurry up to get that helm in your hand, since it pretty much makes you an enemy #1
idk, it just doesn´t really fit to my style - i rather try to build up a good defense and mana base, but at the same time try to stay calm and let the others do their thing, without trying to disturb them much, until i get my combos in my hand - but this card just makes you a treat from turn 0, without actually being much useful alone
before i´d run this, i for one, would rather run the leyline of anticipation, or the leyline of sanctity, even if these don´t have any killer combos, they are much more useful alone most of the time - or just throw in a bojuka bog - this also already does a great job at getting rid of your opponents gy´s, plus you even can chose which gy you actually dislike
Corey_bayoudragonfly
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Leyline of the Void: the leyline so nice, they printed it twice.
@Llian: It's just you: the change was simply one of terminology. There was no functional weight to the 'dies' change. Here's an article which discusses, among other things, the changeover: https://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/magic2012/mechanics
Llian
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Is it just me, or have the new (since Innistrad) wording changes seriously changed the way this card works? Or at least interacts with other cards?
This used to be a replacement effect, so that the card would never hit the graveyard, and instead be exiled. Cards that said "when this card is put into a graveyard from the battlefield" would no longer have that effect trigger. Now that every single one of those cards has been errataed to "dies", it doesn't work like that anymore.
For example, this no longer shuts down the Protean HulkFlash combo. The legendary Kamigawa dragons still work now that this is on the field. This isn't tech against Grave Pact or Butcher of Malakir anymore.
Every card made pre Innistrad that has been errataed to say "whenever a creature dies" no longer interacts the same way with this card.
So I dunno, in this case the oracle errata actually has changed functionality rather than kept it. Just an observation.
EDIT: @Corey thanks for clearing that up. It's just a shorter way of saying the same thing.
I think it is an egregious mistake to make something this powerful playable in all colours and free. It's not broken but it's not a card I like to see ever. This kind of hate makes the game less than fun.
blurrymadness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This art is wayyyy better. Hoser, combo card, good art. I've loved it since I found it.
That said, this is almost mandatory sideboard in legacy and vintage, especially for black. Benefits of this over other graveyard hate is: -Turn 0 -Is black (so you can exile it to Unmask) -Causes no tempo loss (no mana cost if you use the leyline ability) -Doesn't hit your own graveyard (this is conditionally good) -Uncounterable (if using the leyline ability) -It's out of your hand, so it dodges a t1 duress or similar
This means you play the game just like you would, but your opponent has to play around your hate card immediately. It dodges Abrupt Decay, Inquisition of Kozilek, and a variety of other cards.
I've tried to make my legacy sideboard work with Planar Void, but it's too conditional and the tempo loss is staggering for being a 1-drop. The potential to have Ichorids beating you down the turn after you play it is also a problem, as T1 can still be too late.
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Mist of stagnation
But your friend will hate you...
New art is fail.
Also enables mill once again
Based on this swamp art.
While it may be counterproductive towards any and all zombie strategies, one should note that Black is moving towards Vampires as the primary tribe for the color. And Vampires don't give a crap what's in your graveyard.
5/5
Part of me will forever hate this card for that combo. Thank goodness its partner in crime isn't in Standard.
Listen to this, R&D and then retry it.
One of those is the Protean Hulk "turn 0" klll, which doesn't have to be turn 0 at all.
The other one is one which I have personally felt: the Animate Dead + Buried Alive (allowed on the first turn by a pair of rituals or some other acceleration) that searches for a Worldgorger Dragon and some other creature that would kill the opponent instantly if given infinite black mana (such as Oona)
Decks that can kill on the turn 1 are the most dangerous there is, so a card that can stop them cold get to be 5/5 (see also, Leyline of Sanctity)
Still a 4/5 imo, very nice for stopping graveyard playing and it allows mill to deal with Eldrazi.
You can sac a Nihil Spellbomb in response to his graveyard trigger and exile him.
This just happened in an EDH game the other night. The guy casting Emrakul looked at it, then looked at the spellbomb,pulled the spellbomb out of its sleeve, ripped it in half, and replaced it.
Ironic because this is the guy who casts End the Turn to counter other people's Emrakuls.
Completely unrelated, Opera spellcheck says Nihil isn't a word. In its place it suggests other nihil related words along with Nichol and Unholy. O_o
Until Scars of Mirrodin, this was pretty much the only card that kept mill viable in standard (unless I'm missing one), which more-or-less forced mill to at least splash black - which isn't a bad choice by any means. Thankfully for those who like to run mono-blue, Scars gave us Nihil Spellbomb, which, while a much lesser card, at least gave the other colors graveyard hate and mill protection. Still, for decks with a dash of black, this card is absolutely brutal as a sideboard or even 2- or 3- of if you're really worried about dredge; it works great with some decks and will absolutely devastate some opponents.
This could also be why Void was reprinted while the other colors got a new Leyline; if WotC noticed the absence of a strategy they seemed to be trying to encourage due to that entire win condition being thwarted by a single card, it would make sense that they'd remake the best remedy. Too bad that Black ended up being down one card in the cycle, but it's understandable.
Between hosing dredge, hosing several turn-0 and turn-1 combos, hosing mill hosing, and being a possible turn 0 play, this gets an easy 5/5.
Psychatog, your game got a lot harder.
Dredge, good bye.
Reanimator, you're dead.
Eggs, you're toast.
Vengevine, nice try.
Crucible of Worlds, you're worthless.
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...
Over half the decks in Legacy run some sort of recursion, many depend on it.
Any of those decks got you down? Stick our of these and four Tormod's Crypt into the sideboard of almost any deck. If it's black, use Bojuka Bog.
"okay, with this PERFECT hand i might win very fastly" graveyard player
"okay, with this SINGLE CARD in my hand I WILL win before the match starts."
At least other cards such as tormod's crypt, even though harsh enough, would let you rearm again, but with this, oh hell I'm sad... and I haven't even played such decks ever, but this cards are just so mean, GOD I HATE THEM.
Basically, Leyline of the Void + Helm of Obedience is another version of the infamous Painter's Servant + Grindstone combo... except that your opponent's library is actually remove from the game ("exiled" as they say now) instead of put in the graveyard. Yikes.
however, i don´t run this combo, no matter how efficient it can be - to be able to stop others from using their gy as a second hand is pretty nice too, but this also stops you from being able to reanimate their creatures or whatever yourself, and i just love my puppeteer clique too much to trade it for this
all in all, a pretty nice card, but as long as you don´t run the helm of obedience combo, it´s rather pretty useless, imo - and the helm combo is actually already pretty known by many players, ie. if you drop this leyline on turn 0, then you also really should hurry up to get that helm in your hand, since it pretty much makes you an enemy #1
idk, it just doesn´t really fit to my style - i rather try to build up a good defense and mana base, but at the same time try to stay calm and let the others do their thing, without trying to disturb them much, until i get my combos in my hand - but this card just makes you a treat from turn 0, without actually being much useful alone
before i´d run this, i for one, would rather run the leyline of anticipation, or the leyline of sanctity, even if these don´t have any killer combos, they are much more useful alone most of the time - or just throw in a bojuka bog - this also already does a great job at getting rid of your opponents gy´s, plus you even can chose which gy you actually dislike
@Llian: It's just you: the change was simply one of terminology. There was no functional weight to the 'dies' change.
Here's an article which discusses, among other things, the changeover: https://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/magic2012/mechanics
This used to be a replacement effect, so that the card would never hit the graveyard, and instead be exiled. Cards that said "when this card is put into a graveyard from the battlefield" would no longer have that effect trigger. Now that every single one of those cards has been errataed to "dies", it doesn't work like that anymore.
For example, this no longer shuts down the Protean Hulk Flash combo. The legendary Kamigawa dragons still work now that this is on the field. This isn't tech against Grave Pact or Butcher of Malakir anymore.
Every card made pre Innistrad that has been errataed to say "whenever a creature dies" no longer interacts the same way with this card.
So I dunno, in this case the oracle errata actually has changed functionality rather than kept it. Just an observation.
EDIT: @Corey thanks for clearing that up. It's just a shorter way of saying the same thing.
I think it is an egregious mistake to make something this powerful playable in all colours and free. It's not broken but it's not a card I like to see ever. This kind of hate makes the game less than fun.
That said, this is almost mandatory sideboard in legacy and vintage, especially for black. Benefits of this over other graveyard hate is:
-Turn 0
-Is black (so you can exile it to Unmask)
-Causes no tempo loss (no mana cost if you use the leyline ability)
-Doesn't hit your own graveyard (this is conditionally good)
-Uncounterable (if using the leyline ability)
-It's out of your hand, so it dodges a t1 duress or similar
This means you play the game just like you would, but your opponent has to play around your hate card immediately. It dodges Abrupt Decay, Inquisition of Kozilek, and a variety of other cards.
I've tried to make my legacy sideboard work with Planar Void, but it's too conditional and the tempo loss is staggering for being a 1-drop. The potential to have Ichorids beating you down the turn after you play it is also a problem, as T1 can still be too late.
THE ultimate graveyard hate card.