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This is my favorite card. It is, however, not a good card for constructed. Really fun though. I hope it gets reprinted.

a really cool effect in my opinion, and certainly interesting for some combos, or at least good synergies.
you could for example try to get multiple instances of this card on your side, and/or use this along with cards that give your opponents (little) creatures to negate the drawback, especially if you give your cats trample and/or lifelink.
having an option to sacrifice the tokens for some profit will be useful as well.

Doubling Season nuff said

Breath of Fury + Emblem of the Warmind = Face Beating of epic proportions.

This is definitely strong enough to be a rare... it's an awesome card...

Throw Followed Footsteps on this guy and you have some fun in store!

lure and regeneration will make you quite unstoppable.

Awsome card, I have a deck with Silent Arbiter and this guy and Goblin Wardrums.

Lure is not a good card to give him due to the fact that he can only be blocked by one creature. So the others woud be free to block anyone they wanted to.

It's very, very pricey to pull off, but I think Relentless Assault is the way forward with this card. Since all the tokens are copies of Nacatl War Pride, THEY get the same abilities, so if you attack twice in one turn....

Follow up with Phyrexian Altar for the tokens and Disintegrate for your opponent, just in case there's anything left of them after the attack. Beautiful.

@ Dingo777, if they were going to be reprinted, it'd have been in Alara block, since the Nacatl are natives of Jund.

Great creature, a bomb in limited which at uncommon you can get in multiples, and I like it a lot in casual play too. It satisfies me as a Johnny, while remaining a decent attacker which promotes interaction.

Play with Pandemonium and Goblin Bombardment.

@ stygimoloch:

The Nacatl are native to Naya, not Jund. And I'm really wondering why they didn't reprint this somewhere in the Alara block.

The Relentless Assault won't work because the copies don't have haste and can't attack again.

What happens if I Giant Growth the Nacatl War-Pride before it attacks? Do the copies get the benefit of the giant growth? What if I enchant Nacatl War-Pride with Spirit Link? Do the copies get the benefit?

It should have been reprinted in Shards of Alara set. They would definitely fit with theme.

I really, really want to see this thing go up against a Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs for a hilarious fight, especially if you buff it so it's the equal of Kazuul rather than getting it's ass kicked.

favorite card ever, it needs to be reprinted in zendikar, NEEDS TO BE

awesome combos possible, like mirrorweaving it into a deus of calamity yes my 7 nactals are now 6/6 tramplers, and unless your opponent can block multiple creatures like thoughtwelf trio, one will always hit

Edit: well WotC, you crushed my dreams, but you gave me some hope for world wake, reprint this in standard, and watch as it is hit with rites of replication, kicked, yes I have 6 of these swinging together, you have how many creatures, 3, oh good, I now have 24 of these guys, beastmaster assention loves this guy, as long as your opponent has 6 creatures, you just swung with 7, and they are now 8/8 enjoy the carnage

Edit: Edit: yeah, alara would have seen this, but that didnt mean that zendikar didnt have cat people. None appeared though. There is still eldrazi and whatever the block is after zen, so we may still see a nactal war-pride activate a beastmaster ascention

@ spikesdad:
Nope, playing a giant growth or aura won't help. Same as if you play a clone, the clone won't copy auras or temporarys buffs either. What you can do however is cytoshape the war-pride, after the trigger goes on the stack, before it resolves. Then each token will be a copy of what you cytoshaped the war-pride into.

Play with Primalcrux.

^.^

through a loophole, wouldn't this card make infinite clones because each clone is attacking with this ability?

Now we know that they plan on returning to Alara post Bolas, which is pretty cool. I was going to be surprised if they actually did put this in one of those sets, since it would just feel awkward, like some of the other future-shift cards have been. It'd be nice for them to revisit the plan someday, but not soon i bet.

Is this Card for real?
An uncommon with this power?
Channel Shinen of Life's Roar onto Sylvan Basilisk just before you attack with this card to end your opponents game.

and in case you're wondering, casting Giant Growth will affect all of the copies of Nacatl War-Pride, as supported by rule 706.4. which is specific in mentioning Giant Growth as an example. A ssuming, of course, that you cast it in your main phase, as opposed to your combat phase, as otherwise, the tokens would be 3/3 and Nacatl War-Pride would be 6/6

however, with Spirit Link rule 706.2 states that it is only the creature that is copied, not the effects from another card, unless it causes a change to power/toughness.

Rite of replication.
"you have 3 creatures? I have 18!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!"

@Chosen_of_the_Dark_Sun: Only 1 ogre can be created in defense. The tokens come into play attacking, so no attacks were declared on their own.

Should have been in Alara block. Not since Shadowmoor has a futureshifted card appeared in a set, and that's just not good enough.

This card won me a hell lot of games.

Run this with Sosuke, Son of Seshiro

Primal Forcemage FTW

And EpicPridemage, the tokens are put onto the battlefield already attacking, so they are never declared attacking and don't make their own tokens.

@saxophonist: too wierd of a mana cost in a gold block. WotC said so.

I mean name another card in that block that is mono colored and has three mana symbols of the same color.

@a3kitsune: Phosphorescent feast. Though I wish this and ghostfire would have been printed in thier respective blocks.

If you have 4 on the battlefield this is much more beastly than it already was.

Noble Purpose anyone?

Hmm... Nice combo with Raksha Golden Cub
If you use something like Rhys the Redeemed or Doubling Season the doubled tokens stick around forever!

OH MY GOD WHY WAS THIS NOT IN ALARA
2nd
WHY WAS THIS NOT A RARE

So...it makes every creature that attacks with it essentially unblockable...and likely destroys every creature your opponent controls with less than 4 toughness...for free, every turn? Am I missing something?

this card combos very well with the umbra auras from zendicar as well as victory's herald and the battle cry menachic.... have fun ppl

I'm surprised that no one has thought of using Sleep with this.

Anything that grants extra combat phases will own with this guys.

@BarrelRoll: Actually it does. The tokens are copies of Nacatl War-Pride, they copy everything. Including mana cost.

Some amount of strategy should go into this since it is very likely the original will get blocked with the biggest defending creature. However, if you get to attack on the following turn, it is often disappointing because you are getting fewer tokens that time around.
The thing many people don't realize until they have used it is that if all the tokens go in the direction of the original, then you have one more cat than your opponent has creatures. How has no one mentioned Might of the Masses yet? It can save the original, but better yet, whichever token gets through is huge.
This can also be brutal in multiplayer since you attack the person with the most creatures and then send the tokens in all directions to lay waste to the entire plane.

Also, combo with Garruk's Packleader for a freakton of cards.

Goblin war drums? no? Extra attack steps?

Enchant with Dryad's Favor = ENDGAME..... forever......no really!

@RakshaGoldenCub

Yes, this would be pretty brutal with Raksha. I plan on using it in my Rhys the Redeemed EDH deck, since I'm pretty sure the copies will stay, but I'm not sure about Doubling Season. It's not making copies of the tokens, it's just doubling the tokens from the original source. Wouldn't the exile still apply then?

Quicksilver Gargantuan, anyone? =D

this card seems complex but it's not. just cast Indestructibility on the original (or anything else that protects a creature) and you're good to go. then you can have your other creatures rape your opponent unharmed for the rest of the game.

Play Strength in Numbers on either this, one of the tokens or another creature that you attack with and this just becomes one mean card.

@GrimjawxRULES: You said it yourself, the tokens copy the ORIGINAL creature. When a creature has an ability that says it's name then you should read it as "This card". This card is a 3/3 creature that must be blocked by one creature if able and creates tokens of itself when it attacks. Temporary buffs like Giant Growth and abilities given to this creature do not change anything about this card and will not transfer over to the copies. The tokens will be 3/3 creatures that must be blocked by one creature if able ability and have the copy ability. (As for Spideredd quoting rule 706.4, that rule says that the Giant Growth is played on the creature doing the copying not the creature that is being copied, 706.2 is the rule that is in effect here.)

Bellowing Tanglewurm.

It makes me sad that they will likely never ever reprint this card simply because of the headaches it caused between ruling issues (see the rulings section)...that being said had astounding potential with numerous cards...such as Pandemonium or Garruk's Packleader

@endersblade
I don't think that works because the tokens go away during the next end step. Even if you end your turn, your tokens will go away during your opponent's end step. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Sundial of the Infinite.

Attack, get a bunch of copies in play. Any of the tokens that survive combat will put a triggered ability on the stack at the beginning of the end of turn step.

Activate the Sundial of the Infinite in response to the triggered abilities, causing them to be removed from the stack.

The tokens survive the turn, to make more of themselves next turn, and further turns.

@littlebeast

Actually, extra combat phases will do almost nothing for this guy. If you look closely, you'll see that the tokens he produces in the first combat phase don't have haste, so they won't be able to attack on the second combat phase. The only thing you get with a second combat phase is a chance to make more copies with the original, unless you have some way to give your stuff haste (I'm looking at you, Urabrask).

I wonder why they didn't reprint this card at some point in the Alara block. I mean, Naya is obviously where it's "futureshifted" from.

I wish they'd reprint more futureshifted cards in general, instead of just letting all these cool and wacky concepts fall to the wayside. (Except Tarmogoyf, of course. Don't reprint Tarmogoyf, Wizards. Ever.)

Parallel Lives Makes this dude just disgusting.

Rather easy to get around his demise. Run with Darksteel Plate, Maze of Ith, Mystifying Maze, etc.

Don't want to lose your attacking Nacatl War Pride? Pair with Reconnaissance. =)

"If you put Whispersilk Cloak on this... X 3/3 unblockable tokens. Ouch. "

Scratch that, only the original gets the unblockable bonus.

Wait... if the tokens go away at the end of the turn, doesn't activating the Sundial make them disappear since you're making the turn end?

this and Bellowing Tanglewurm could be pretty good..

An extremely fun "Johnny" card that demands to be built around. By itself, the War-Pride is a little weak for the mana; it will probably take out a utility creature or two with it's first swing, while getting annihilated by an opponent's larger creature. But adding a few support cards makes it absurd.

I hadn't thought of Pandemonium and Garruk's Packleader before reading this thread, and they're even better than what I had in mind. Goblin War Drums, Bedlam, Vigor, and/or Door of Destinies were some of my own ideas (with Forbidden Orchard to get a few extra tokens). Whichever path you take, the War-Pride can create a huge effect with a single swing.

Champion of Lambholt
Opponent has, let's say, 4 creatures. They're 5/5s. Swing with Nacatl War-Pride and the champion (who already has +1/+1 from the original Necatl War-Pride).
4 copies of Necatl War-Pride come into play, so Champion gets 4 +1/+1 counters, meaning the 5/5s can't block your 5 Necatl War-Prides or the 6/6 Champion.

@Keegan, got to add one more...
This, breath of fury, Emblem of the Warmind, and nfiltrator's Magemark that way, the token that gets enchanted with breath is almost unblockable.
Though in a 1v1 i doubt you would need a third combat phase.

Where this combo would get fun is in multiplayer... swing at the person with the most creatures, he would most likely survive, then move on to each other player before coming back to attack him... watch his face.

The only thing missing from this is the ability to choose which creature blocks which Nacatl, since of course your opponent will always block the original in priority and kill it, so he won't get off any more than one attack.

Silly question, what would happen if I would give Nacatl War-Pride deathtouch, say through something like deadly allure? Then I attacked with it, would all of the copies carry the ability over?

@endersblade Sundial of the Infinite won't keep the tokens around forever. Only until the beginning of your opponent's end step.

@xytor. I think they will stick around. Its ability creates a delayed triggered ability which triggers at the beginning of the next end step. Once the ability has triggered once, it will never trigger again, because as far as the game is concerned, it's done what it's supposed to do.

Ugh. so many triggers in one sentence...

Nacatl War-Pride + Rhys the Redeemed = exponential copies ?

What would append if I copy the tokens with Rhys and I attack on the next round...does the hability of Nacatl War-Pride will trigger for every tokens ?

It's awkward when your opponent has a palace guard

This + Relentless Assault + Fervor. The tokens are copies so they will each make more tokens.

Though probably not the best combo, because they could just block during the first swing.

Kiseki that would not work if I understood you right, you can't buff him and give the tokens the same buff too, because they first show up when attacking is declared and the the buff is too late for them to get the same

Nacatl War-Pride is one of the coolest cards in Magic: The Gathering, in my opinion. Everything about it makes it interesting as opposed to just bluntly powerful. A high mana cost and low power/toughness are offset by a blocker restriction that makes defending against it tricky and a massive self-cloning trigger that seems capable of ending games. The question is how to make that happen, and the War-Pride does a fantastic job balancing that potential for abuse with its overall power level (>9000 if your opponent has at least 3000 creatures).

I second the wonderful suggestions to use this with Champion of Lambholt, Sundial of the Infinite, and/or Parallel Lives.

Although Champion of Lambholt is probably the coolest suggestion for unblockability (and Bellowing Tanglewurm is pretty sweet too), Bedlam and Falter are also good options, especially with them being less vulnerable to typical removal. They're red, though. You could also combo Yavimaya Dryad and Lumbering Satyr, with the advantage being that it's respectably ridiculous.

I also agree that Cytoshape (in response to the token-creating triggered ability) would be amusing. I’d Cytoshape the War-Pride into a Craterhoof Behemoth.

Speaking of making copies of the wrong thing, has anyone else thought about following this with Essence of the Wild? Not that it's that great, since they still don't have any sort of evasion, but comboing two cards with the same unusual mana cost does amuse me. Hey, and Vigor would stop the original War-Pride from getting killed in combat...

Also, I'd love to play Nacatl War-Pride with a few Renegade Doppelgangers and Clones thereof. Heat Shimmer would also work, I guess, but it'll only last a turn. Really, I just want to attack with multiple Nacatl War-Prides at once, ideally before my opponent has a chance to figure out what I'm up to. Like by using Dual Nature/Wild Pair and Concordant Crossroads...or by using Mirrorweave with mana dorks and weenies aplenty. And for multi-turn overkill, there's always Infinite Reflection. Even a measly 2 vs. 3 matchup sends at least 15 damage through, and if you used Mirrorweave, all blocks will be lethal to everything involved...unless you happen to have Leyline of Vitality or some other toughness-booster. Cool story bro.

While we're overkilling, we might as well run Coat of Arms. It's actually pretty good with Nacatl War-Pride on its own. If your opponent is playing tribal, it'll almost even out, but if they aren't playing tribal and you have some way of forcing the combat damage through, it'll be devastating. Too bad green is so bad at giving all its creatures trample.


One problem with Nacatl War-Pride though is that it doesn't really do its thing all that well if your opponent doesn't have enough creatures. Hunted Troll seems like the simplest way to fix that problem, but the more devious option is Natural Affinity/Living Plane. If you go down that road, consider Veteran Explorer, Collective Voyage/New Frontiers. If you want to send damage through, you could use Mana Web to try to keep them tapped down.

Another problem is how the original War-Pride will likely end up dead, meaning its first attack will be its last. Unblockability, at least for the original, is probably the best solution, but Lifeline will also probably work, since you will always be attacking with at least one more attacker than they have blockers, meaning that at least one will probably survive combat, which gives it a chance to make it to the end of the turn and revive all dead creatures (including your opponent's too, which is unfortunate unless you want them to have larger numbers of creatures for some reason). Any card with the "Populate" mechanic - especially Rootborn Defenses - is another option, since Populate can create a token Nacatl War-Pride that won't be exiled with the other tokens and won't be in combat. Trostani, Selesnya's Voice seems good too, due to the massive, massive life gain.

Overall, though, it's a fun, interesting card that inspires people to find ways to tap its hidden potential. The Time Spiral Block was a gold mine of creative card design like this, and I'm sad the developers didn't see fit to bring this chunk of pure gold back for the Alara Block.

Guys, read the rulings on sundial. "at the beggining of the next end step" triggers will trigger on the next end step, whosever's it is and however many turns have passed edgewise. You will get to keep your tapped cats for your opponents turn, then at that turn's end step, they will be exiled.

Sundial DOES work. If you use it correctly. "At the beginning of the next end step" is a delayed trigger that will only happen once. If you wait until your end step, the exile trigger for each token goes on the stack. Trigger on stack, off goes sundial. Ends turn, exiling all triggers. Creatures stay.

Silent Arbiter go!

They're already tapped and attacking, but only blocker is able to bllock. Layering isn't preventing the one creature from blocking they just can't declare MORE creatures to block.

in addition to the Champion of lambholt drop a Cathars' Crusade your 4 creatured opponent suddenly has to face down a 11/11 champion + 5 7/7 kitties unless they have 4 eldrazi/colossi they are doomed.

Also Aurelia would be really really evil as each copy would on the second attack make their own set of copies.

1st attack gives + 4 Tokens, next attack gives +4 tokens PER CAT giving you another 20 meaning your second attack gives 25 cats attacking for a (measly) 75 power.

Coat of Arms.....
Gruul ragebeast....

@endersblade: If you want to speed up that exponential event, any effect that grants an additional combat phase can do it in a single turn.

Incredible Johnny card. At worst, as long as you can keep the main one alive it makes all of your other creatures unblockable unless your opponent has a Palace Guard effect. At best, you sacrifice the tokens to Greater Good and loot a ton of cards or use Warstorm Surge to kill anything that could block and kill the original, weaken anything that would survive them, etc. You can also use Overrun effects and just do a ton of damage to a deck with lots of low toughness creatures (cough cough token decks cough cough). There are tons of possibilities.

Gruul War Chant. At least half of your 4/3 tokens go through, perhaps more depending on how they decide to block — after all, your opponent can't block them with exactly one creature each.

It's probably been mentioned by now but another new way to break this is Strionic Resonator. This guy is just so breakable, I love it!

What happens if you swing and then Ovinize it? People usually try to block and kill the original, but if you did that they'd have to block all the rest of them instead, right?

One of my favorite timmy cards; and better yet? It's a one-sided wipe for weenies.
-In a cat deck i protected him with Shield of the Oversoul (most of my cats were WG)
-in a ramp deck he let my fat get through,
-in a flicker deck I saved him if he was blocked
-next to fires of yavimaya you can leave yourself open, fog, then drop this for lethal damage (their blockers will be tapped.)

Biggest sadface for me was when opponents used things like Blood Seeker.

Reverent Hunter

Lovisa Coldeyes and Oran-Rief, the Vastwood can end up making this card a nightmare in EDH.

I give it a 5 just for the amount of available combos. Primalcrux and champion of lambholt being my favourites

Nactyl War-Pride plus Vampire Aristocrat plus Blade of the Bloodchief equals win...

Honestly... you don't even need the Blade of the Bloodchief. Ironically it's not even for the Vampire, it's to keep your original Nactyl War-Pride alive. Unless putting it on the vampire lets you swing for the win.

Oh yes, obligatory "Doubling Season makes this better" comment as well.

Bow of Nylea

Combos amazingly well with twilight drover trostani, selesnya's voice emmara tandris essence warden and soul's attendant

Hideous amounts of lifegain, almost on an infinite loop. Cast mycoloth during post-combat main phase, sac all kitty tokens to mycoloth for ultimate smashface.

Sundial of the Infinite

Swing. Make your tokens. At the start of your end step, after the exile triggers go on the stack, use the Sundial. Your tokens get to stay.

The beauty of this? The next time you swing with all of them, THEY ALL MAKE TOKENS. Every one of them is a copy of this card, therefore they all make copies of themselves, tapped and attacking. This gets out of hand very quickly (or the game is over, one of the two).

Everyone wants more or permanent tokens. I just want to keep this guy alive. Reconnaissance ftw.

This card, in combination with Breath of Fury, means you can have several attack phases. If you can make them all unblockable, and your oppponent has at least one creature, does this give you infinite attack phases?