by broken you mean its too much, over the top.Does it mean any other creatures all your creatures in play? Say you have 5 other creatures in play along with vigor and your opp casts hurricane for 5 damage, all your creatures without flying get 5 +1/+1 counters on them ? If that's true that's hella powerful and ya a bit broken but there are far worst cards.
stygimoloch
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(4 votes)
@static-xhead, yes, that is indeed how it works, except for the fact that Hurricane affects non-flying creatures only. Earthquake would be a better choice for your example. Vigor is powerful yes, but 'broken' is a bit excessive.
jjanderson2004
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0)(6 votes)
hey, does Vigor protect a second Vigor under its ability?
Dingo777
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(7 votes)
jjanderson, yes it does, and if you have 3, well after your opponent slams his head through a wall, the effects stack, Chandra gonna try and burn me, well thanks now my 3 vigors are 26/26 and anyone else on the field is +30/+30
combine with purity for massive invulnerability
Arachibutyrophobia
★★☆☆☆ (2.9/5.0)(4 votes)
It's the best of the elemental incarnation cycle. I once had 14/14 Rootwallas cuz of Vigor.
xSainxSainx
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0)(6 votes)
I once had a Grizzly Bear at 82/82 i was like wtf thats a powerful bear xDD
This card is incredible... so much you can do with it, and tho only way to permanately get rid of it is to exile it... Honestly though, how can you say it's not broken? The only other card that comes close (in this ele. cycly) is guile (at least for being amusing). Run 4 of these guys and a bunch of counterspells... lol.
inmypants22
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(3 votes)
guile is much better. i mean this can die just to a simple terminate. but you can counter a terminate then play it with guile
Kirbyguy91
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Would Yixlid Jailerstop him and the others from going into the library when they die?
Zulp
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
An excellent card. I'm also digging the artwork. Looks like an ox with a turtle shell, which is weird, but cool.
EnV
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
No--if you combine with Purity you exclude combat damage. Palace Gaurds and Indestructibility or Cho Mano Revolutionary and Indestructibility makes invulnerable.
urzamagic
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Elves plus this monster. It's a smackdown on your opponent's face
Donovan_Fabian
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
For all the posters saying hey you could get a 30 power saproling.. look at that card again. Unless you have multiple vigors in play, it doesn't prevent damage to itself. That means if your opponent simply burns your vigor off the field, it doesn't do anything. Its only functional with other cards in play. Your opponent can still attack/block/destroy vigor, or use destroy on your other creatures, because destroy effects are not damage. That leaves a big gaping hole in the defense strategy with this card. On the other hand, vigor is still a great token protector, and a large bodied trampler. Finding a way to give it any type of shroud, or play a clone or followed footsteps to get multiples of it might end the game though it would take time. In some ways its better to get a creature thats going to end the game for you vs. hopefully buffing up a few of your other creatures, its about risk vs. reward, and have to remember that when trying to play vigor. Personally, I like meglonoth as my 6 mana slot for a trampler, its huge, and has vigilance, and a blocking effect.
This + Aspect of mongoose, + Indestructability = god
StrikeLancer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Vigor+Conquerer's Pledge(kicked)+Pyroclasm = pain
DlCK
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Personally, i like the idea of the indestructible spearbreaker behemoth with vigor to make vigor indestructible.
Then with an indestructible vigor to protect a turntimber basilisk, you could kill probably 1-3 enemy creatures per turn via his landfall deathtouching on multiple creatures.
PainfulTears
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Amazing card!
JaxsonBateman
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(8 votes)
It's cards like this which remind players just why targetted spot removal is so damn important these days. Case in point - a standard vamps deck V an extended mono-green elf/power creep deck. The only pre-sideboard card which has any chance of dealing with something like Vigor is Tendrils (unless you're running Doom Blade/Hideous End/Feast of Blood for some reason). Beyond that, you've got to hope that your removal can keep up with the smaller creatures so your Gatekeepers can take care of the bigger ones. Not easy with cheap elves coming out every turn. ^^
So for anyone that ever questions why spot removal is so necessary - this is why. Creatures which simply *can't* be left alive.
@Kryptnyt - No. A third Vigor provides extra protection, but ultimately, the damage can only be prevented once, meaning the +1/+1 Counters are only placed that one time as the damage isn't prevented, say, three times as in your example.
Say I Pyroclasm with two Vigors in play along with, say, 5 1/1 Elf Tokens. Each creature in play will only get two +1/+1 Counters on them. It doesn't matter which Vigor prevented the damage, but once prevented, the other can't sweep in and prevent it again because there is nothing to prevent any more.
This card, when paired with the likes of any number of Graft creatures from Ravnica Block is absolutely monstrous. Next thing you know, that Cytoplast Root-Kin just became even more deadly than before.
It's hilarious when someone doesn't know what this does.
Me: Ok I attack with all my creatures. Who blocks who? Opponent: Why does it matter? They all die anyway. Me: WHO BLOCKS WHO? Opponent: Ok I'll have this guy kill Llanowar elves... Me: Ok so my elves get 3 +1/+1 couinters... Opponent: Wait, what?!?! Me: Yeah... did I forget to mention... Opponent: YEAH YOU DID FORGET TO MENTION! (looks at Vigor) ok I don't block anymore.
krissy821
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
I'd like to see a Red-Green-White deck with this, Purity and Chandra Nalaar. Get Chandra to full, make Vigor indestuctible, have Purity out, then Use Chandra's ultimate on yourself. Gain 10 life, and all your creatures get a permanent +10/+10. And Chandra can be used on yourself. It says "Target Player".
Getting mana of three different colors should be easy with Harrow to get specific lands and things like birds of paradise and Terramorphic Expanse.
OpenSeasonNoobs
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(4 votes)
No, the effects do not stack. The effect prevents the damage. You will not get +30/+30 for having 3 of them out.
The way the ability works prevents the damage. So the first one on the stack prevents chandra nalaar's 10 damage. Then the damage will already have been prevented, so the second and third triggered effects will prevent 0 damage giving 0 +1/+1 counters.
Discoduck
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(7 votes)
This is quite dope in with tons of shrouded goodness. I like intimidating people during the combat phase with two un-pumped Birds of Paradise.
surewhynot
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
@Max27588, take that combo, but add in Chain Reaction for some serious lulz.
TheSwarm
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
What the.. That doesn't even make SENSE it turns every one, like, into an uber Dawn Elemental
Prized Unicorn + this = ..... I'm scared now. And if you added Lace with Moonglove to that....
Of course, considering what he can do, opponents are going to want him gone. Throw Indestructibility and Whispersilk Cloak on him to make him nearly invincible.
With Rise of the Eldrazi, you could also run a G/W deck using tokens and Lightmine Field. Attack with all your tokens, they all get a ton of counters. That deck would also benefit from the fact that W had a lot of cards that could protect Vigor.
juniormint99
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(2 votes)
I saw a web site that says the +1/+1 counters go on Vigor. But I read the card as the counters would go on the creature(s) that are being attacked. Which is it?
Did it really need the shuffle into library clause too!? I mean flavour-wise I completely understand but my god! Mono green would have a terrible time against this. At least it has things like Turntimber Basilisk, Prized Unicorn (with some sort of pump/deathtouch of course) and Feral Contest.
Kryptnyt
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Dingo- well two Vigors will protect each other but with three out each would still get +10, because the counters are put on once, because of the "for each point of damage prevented this way" thing. Right? @Ralnakor- What? you say no but you just reinforced what I said lol.
.Blaze.
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
When some one gets this and Asceticism out it makes you die a little inside.
One of the best green cards ever.
smokiermatthias
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
before playing this play Gift of the Deity on any green and black creature. then attack when you get vigor out. it finishes things up nicely
Wow, this seems unfair to me. Should have a CMC of 10 at least with that effect.
bsrq
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
if you had Vigor out and 4 1/1 and your opp has a 7/7, 5/4,6/4 and a 9/9 and he play's overrun. would you still die? and your 4 1/1's blocked the 7/7, 5/4, 6/4,9/9 they all have the +3+3 and have trample from overrun
blurrymadness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Actually keep in mind shuffling into the library isn't always a good thing. Black can Resurrect or return to the hand, green can top-deck it or return it to their hand, white can res it, etc..
So when Darksteel, Progenitus, Vigor or other huge beasties like the legendary eldrazi go back in the library, keep in mind it's not always a bonus; definitely a two-way street.
The main problem I have run into with him is that he attracts every single kill spell at the table, but when I can get this guy and asceticism on the field, then it's all kinds of game over! :D Inner-Timmy is full of joy!
filmfanaticryan
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Spiteful Bully's best friend. 3/3 the turn he comes in play. 6/6 the next.
Another thing. How does this ability work with infect creatures in play?
Fert12334
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@filmfanaticryan
I believe it would work the same as normal damage, Ryan. A creature with infect deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters, and Vigor's ability states "if damage would be dealt to a creature you control other than Vigor, prevent that damage." So the damage is prevented as if it were damage from a normal creature, and the creature would receive no -1/-1 counters. Hope that helps.
Anyways, about the card - I love it! It's pretty much game over for your opponent unless they can find a way to deal with him. And even if he dies, your other creatures would have probably been beefed up in the process. It's cards like these that make me wish Lorwyn packs weren't so hard to find these days.
5/5
Mr.Green09
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A Great way to keep Vigor safe is to use Swiftfoot Boots and Spirit Mantle and you could also throw on the BF a Asceticism .
CrowJonSnow
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(4 votes)
i'm going to try and clear up a few questions i've seen
Infect: since vigor prevents any sort of damage, and infect DEALS damage in the form of -1/-1 counters, then infect would be useless, since all damage is prevented.
Blocking attackers who have trample: this works the same as protection from creatures. trample isn't based on damage dealt, it's based on damage ASSIGNED. all they have to do is assign lethal damage, then the rest goes through. when the actual damage would be dealt, you stop that to your creature, but the rest goes through.
@ JaxsonBatemon Very solid point. If two of these hit the board, you're basically screwed if you can't at least get rid of one of them. Target removal is the only thing that allows Wizards to make creatures like this.
completly beastmode!!!!!! Just like Phytohydra but it works on all your creatures
try using the Planeswalker Elspeth, Knight-Errant 's ultimate Ability with this card on the field!!!
Syberduh2
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
@altf4ninja
As I understand it, no two vigors would not protect each other as you describe. If they were meant to do that, the card text would read "if damage would be dealt to another creature you control ..."
As written, "a creature other than vigor" means any vigor in play.
HeartbreakerStudios
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
This seems REALLY unbalanced.
A 6/6 for 6 mana is already par. Adding trample is fair. Adding self-recycling is better. Adding damage eating to all other creatures is WAY TOO GOOD.
Compare it to Phytohydra. Phytohydra doesn't have self-recycling or trample, and it's damage eating only applies to itself. At a cost of 5 it STARTS at 1/1.
Tack onto that that Vigor only needs Green and gets Elemental tribal bonuses, and you have a REALLY overpriced card.
The least they could have done was drop his power/toughness or up his cost.
Zielheim
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@Syberduh2
Incorrect, EVERY creature that has an ability basically reads 'this creature'. Otherwise, permanents that have abilities of other permanents without being copies of them wouldn't work. For example, if you had a Prodigal Pyromancer in your grave (and none on the field) and a Necrotic Ooze on the field, then going by your line of thinking, whenever the ooze activates it's ability, nothing would happen because there isn't a Pyromancer on the field. Likewise, if you had multiple Pyromancers out and activated it's ability, then all of the Pyromancers should be dealing damage because the ability states that "Prodgial Pyromancer deals 1 damage".
Effectively, every ability that ever specifies that creature (like Vigor or the Pyromancer), just read it as 'this creature' instead of '(insert creature's name)'.
I would really like to see them drop the Titans and pick up the Lorwyn elemental giants (This guy, Guile, etc.) for the next core set.
Halo_Is_Overrated
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Vigor and Animar, Soul of Elements are BFFs
Paolino
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
How can you rate tihs card less than 5?
- It's a 6/6 trampler for six mana. - It's mana intensive for flavor reasons, because vigor is GREEN. - It's a bison with Juzám Djinn-like horns and a turtle shell! - It has a wading bird on its head. - It makes Phyrexian Negator far more better than Phyrexian Obliterator!
Is all this not enough? And I haven't mentioned the most powerful ability yet...
talcumpowder0046
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Vigor, Primeval Titan, Terra Stomper... 6cmc green fatties FTW
Well, kept in check by Wrath + Removal at least. But if opponent does not have an answer, this will win you the game.
F1lip
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
in every color are creatures like this, but in red, hostility, its not that strong, becauseyou cant charge your creatures, only make some weak, easily-killed creatures with no power
adrian.malacoda
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@corranhorn84: Correct on the second count but not the first. When the text says Vigor it actually means "this Vigor." If it meant any Vigor, it would actually say "a creature you control not named Vigor" (see Detention Sphere).
You're correct about multiple Vigors not being cumulative - since the damange is prevented by one effect, the other effect does nothing.
MattLynn
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Sakashima the Impostor allows you to prevent damage to Vigor. I wonder how this would work with Swans of Bryn Argoll, however? Do you prevent the damage, then add +1/+1 counters to the Swans or draw cards? Does the controller of them choose?
corranhorn84
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ adrian.malacoda: Thank you for the correction. My mistake. My interpretation was corrected when I discussed the wording and rulings with a friend.
ohh... just wait a taunting elf that's more powerful than your entire army =p enjoy.
rave_winters
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Just wanted to point out one key reason this card is not entirely broken, Lure + Death touch = Dead Vigor. Now, open season on the rest of them. Or, if you're playing legacy, Gorilla Berserkers + Nemesis Mask + Gorgon Flail + Fireshrieker = Vigor dead + major hurt to the player themself. AND thanks to all the equips, next turn you can just build a new Gorilla Berserkers if you want two. AND it's only 1 +1/+1 counter on each creature.
Besides, Contagion Engine + Prototype Portal => Everything's dead without ever being damaged.
dancressman
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You get to be Protean Hydra! And you get to be Protean Hydra! Everybody gets to be Protean Hydra! Except, you know, better!
Alright, I know two vigors don't stack with counters, but do they cover each other? That Which Was Taken says yeah, but I can't find any other card saying anything about it.
Pongdok
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This gets full marks due to the bizarre and excellent art. I don't think green needed this, to tell the truth. Most green beasties already have a fair bit of staying power, and making them all invincible, nay, better than invincible to damage is perhaps a bit much, particularly at 6 cmc with a 6/6 trample body. It may have been an effort to balance the scales, since green often gets the shaft. I had a casual game where an indestructible Kulrath Knight held off an entire Timmy army because my opponent had a Vigor. Quite amusing. 5/5 for style.
Lesereth
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I'm really surprised.....not a single comment about Blasphemous Act....lol Not like anyone wants to kill everything on their field and make their own little army of +14/14 creatures lol
Comments (95)
combine with purity for massive invulnerability
Vigor+Indestructibility.
Hells yeah.
Then with an indestructible vigor to protect a turntimber basilisk, you could kill probably 1-3 enemy creatures per turn via his landfall deathtouching on multiple creatures.
So for anyone that ever questions why spot removal is so necessary - this is why. Creatures which simply *can't* be left alive.
Say I Pyroclasm with two Vigors in play along with, say, 5 1/1 Elf Tokens. Each creature in play will only get two +1/+1 Counters on them. It doesn't matter which Vigor prevented the damage, but once prevented, the other can't sweep in and prevent it again because there is nothing to prevent any more.
This card, when paired with the likes of any number of Graft creatures from Ravnica Block is absolutely monstrous. Next thing you know, that Cytoplast Root-Kin just became even more deadly than before.
It baffles me how a such a hugeass ox-turtle thing can stand on vines
Lightmine Field
Me: Ok I attack with all my creatures. Who blocks who?
Opponent: Why does it matter? They all die anyway.
Me: WHO BLOCKS WHO?
Opponent: Ok I'll have this guy kill Llanowar elves...
Me: Ok so my elves get 3 +1/+1 couinters...
Opponent: Wait, what?!?!
Me: Yeah... did I forget to mention...
Opponent: YEAH YOU DID FORGET TO MENTION! (looks at Vigor) ok I don't block anymore.
Get Chandra to full, make Vigor indestuctible, have Purity out, then Use Chandra's ultimate on yourself. Gain 10 life, and all your creatures get a permanent +10/+10.
And Chandra can be used on yourself. It says "Target Player".
Getting mana of three different colors should be easy with Harrow to get specific lands and things like birds of paradise and Terramorphic Expanse.
The way the ability works prevents the damage. So the first one on the stack prevents chandra nalaar's 10 damage. Then the damage will already have been prevented, so the second and third triggered effects will prevent 0 damage giving 0 +1/+1 counters.
Of course, considering what he can do, opponents are going to want him gone. Throw Indestructibility and Whispersilk Cloak on him to make him nearly invincible.
With Rise of the Eldrazi, you could also run a G/W deck using tokens and Lightmine Field. Attack with all your tokens, they all get a ton of counters. That deck would also benefit from the fact that W had a lot of cards that could protect Vigor.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080117173741AAZgm53
Good card with Spinebreaker Behemoth or any kind of shroud giver if you feel you need to protect it.
@Ralnakor- What? you say no but you just reinforced what I said lol.
One of the best green cards ever.
So when Darksteel, Progenitus, Vigor or other huge beasties like the legendary eldrazi go back in the library, keep in mind it's not always a bonus; definitely a two-way street.
Another thing. How does this ability work with infect creatures in play?
I believe it would work the same as normal damage, Ryan. A creature with infect deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters, and Vigor's ability states "if damage would be dealt to a creature you control other than Vigor, prevent that damage." So the damage is prevented as if it were damage from a normal creature, and the creature would receive no -1/-1 counters.
Hope that helps.
Anyways, about the card - I love it! It's pretty much game over for your opponent unless they can find a way to deal with him. And even if he dies, your other creatures would have probably been beefed up in the process. It's cards like these that make me wish Lorwyn packs weren't so hard to find these days.
5/5
Infect: since vigor prevents any sort of damage, and infect DEALS damage in the form of -1/-1 counters, then infect would be useless, since all damage is prevented.
Blocking attackers who have trample: this works the same as protection from creatures. trample isn't based on damage dealt, it's based on damage ASSIGNED. all they have to do is assign lethal damage, then the rest goes through. when the actual damage would be dealt, you stop that to your creature, but the rest goes through.
hope that helps
@ JaxsonBatemon Very solid point. If two of these hit the board, you're basically screwed if you can't at least get rid of one of them. Target removal is the only thing that allows Wizards to make creatures like this.
try using the Planeswalker Elspeth, Knight-Errant 's ultimate Ability with this card on the field!!!
As I understand it, no two vigors would not protect each other as you describe. If they were meant to do that, the card text would read "if damage would be dealt to another creature you control ..."
As written, "a creature other than vigor" means any vigor in play.
A 6/6 for 6 mana is already par. Adding trample is fair. Adding self-recycling is better. Adding damage eating to all other creatures is WAY TOO GOOD.
Compare it to Phytohydra. Phytohydra doesn't have self-recycling or trample, and it's damage eating only applies to itself. At a cost of 5 it STARTS at 1/1.
Tack onto that that Vigor only needs Green and gets Elemental tribal bonuses, and you have a REALLY overpriced card.
The least they could have done was drop his power/toughness or up his cost.
Incorrect, EVERY creature that has an ability basically reads 'this creature'. Otherwise, permanents that have abilities of other permanents without being copies of them wouldn't work. For example, if you had a Prodigal Pyromancer in your grave (and none on the field) and a Necrotic Ooze on the field, then going by your line of thinking, whenever the ooze activates it's ability, nothing would happen because there isn't a Pyromancer on the field. Likewise, if you had multiple Pyromancers out and activated it's ability, then all of the Pyromancers should be dealing damage because the ability states that "Prodgial Pyromancer deals 1 damage".
Effectively, every ability that ever specifies that creature (like Vigor or the Pyromancer), just read it as 'this creature' instead of '(insert creature's name)'.
- It's a 6/6 trampler for six mana.
- It's mana intensive for flavor reasons, because vigor is GREEN.
- It's a bison with Juzám Djinn-like horns and a turtle shell!
- It has a wading bird on its head.
- It makes Phyrexian Negator far more better than Phyrexian Obliterator!
Is all this not enough? And I haven't mentioned the most powerful ability yet...
But if opponent does not have an answer, this will win you the game.
You're correct about multiple Vigors not being cumulative - since the damange is prevented by one effect, the other effect does nothing.
ohh... just wait a taunting elf that's more powerful than your entire army =p enjoy.
Besides, Contagion Engine + Prototype Portal => Everything's dead without ever being damaged.
Except, you know, better!
Vigor
Hostility
Dread
Purity
Guile