This card seems to expensive and much too risky for any practical use. While it will put a damper on what your opponents play, it hurts you in that same fashion, as you don't want to put yourself in harms way with your own spells. And besides, if you get far enough in to play this, you're gonna want to drop your bombs to win, not to have them mirrored back on you. The only use I could possibly see for this would be in a creature based blue deck with little in the line of spells, and that notion just makes me laugh at the ridiculousness of it.
Graklinghunter
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0)(4 votes)
This card would do excellent in combo with certain other cards, and make it so that it only benefits you.
Along with cards that have things like replicate and storm. (maybe flashback)
This way, you get everyone's spells, you get to replicate them, and the only time anyone else can benefit from any of these is during their main phases. Then, you can most likely whip out something to prevent that too.
Dalek9
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(7 votes)
I found a great way to utilize this card for instant win. It's quite simple, really. Right after playing the spell, simply play one of the many pacts, and the opponent will copy it, EVERYTHING, so on that upkeep, if the pact is in a color that that particular player's color's isn't he can't pay the cost and will lose. Does that work?
MasterOfEtherium
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(11 votes)
This Card Sucks
Amsjex
★☆☆☆☆ (1.7/5.0)(5 votes)
use this correctly and its insanely powerful and i do mean stupidly powerful. if you just want a fun time put it in a red/blue blasty deck start a big multiplayer and watch the fun fly nothing quite like 8 people doing shock spells.
but if you want to use it for power put in mana cost X cards, the copies always count as having zero mana paid as X meaning whilst you get a nice fireball or whatever, they get diddly squat and if the try to counter it you can counter their counter with their own spell.
or just use cards that effect everyone megrim + one with nothing means for 1 black everyone discards their hand.
however i doubt the stuff you said graklinghunter will work, as you never cast them you can't pay extra to replicate them, as they are copies they don't count for storming purposes. and teferi ain't stopping shit, they would still get the copies, as teferi just makes it so they can only cast spells when they could a sorcery it doesn't stop them recieving a copy of a spell from an ongoing trigger ability and if you reiterated their spell, they could reiterate it as well.
in essence the point of this card is to balance just about everything, giant growth on my attacking creature means giant growth your blocker. you shock me, i shock you. and if all else fails its a huge 'bullet magnet' normally i play this and suddenly everyone is trying to kill it.
Splenivore
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(5 votes)
This was the first M10 rare I pulled… I couldn’t decide whether to be happy or disappointed. There’s definitely a lot of potential for craziness, and the art is wicked, but I can’t see myself ever playing this card.
sidchicken
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0)(5 votes)
If this copies an X spell, the value of X IS copied, similar to wild ricochet or mirari. Cruel Ultimatum would be insanely stupid to use with this. This could be used in a duel as a shield against countermagic, since you can just point every counterspell your opponent casts back at itself.
Archangelion
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(4 votes)
This card, and Sen Triplets. :)
starbuckshane
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(10 votes)
Ok, This card is amazing in EDH.
I have gotten turn seven kills with this easily.
If you can accelerate, (Playing 5 color, I play reaper king), On turn six cast Conflux, grab Summoner's Pact, Intervention Pact, Titan's Pact, Slaughter Pact, and your Hive Mind. Turn seven cast your hive mind and your set of pacts. Theres no way even a 5 color deck can pay the 15 mana required for the four pacts, and because your upkeep was the last in the cycle, you win.
Also, you can cast Final Fortune with Hive Mind on the board, and since your's was first on the stack, it is the last to resolve, meaning you are the last one to get an extra turn, thus winning you the game.
And then there are also the fun things you could do with the cards already mentioned, noteably Mirari. You can make an extra copy for yourself after the Hive Mind copies hit the stack.
In all I think this could definately be a easily taken advantage of card in a casual or EDH format, but it is no where near standard caliber.
P.S. Using this card with things like Death Wish is also really fun! Massive life loss!
UltimaCenturion
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(4 votes)
I have an interesting idea: Play Guile, than this, than when you play an instant or sorcery, play "Double Negative" on your enemy's duplicates (Nucklavee can bring back the double-negative so you can play it over again) and their Double-negative. In multiplayer, you'd probably be able to shoot down all the other double negatives because of Guile. Would that work?
Ruztyz
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(5 votes)
Hive Mind+One with nothing=:D
DarkTowerEX
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Megrim (3rd turn)+ Hive mind (6th turn) + 2 burning(7th turn).... I'm so rude.
Mode
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(5 votes)
Not the best card. Of course there are some uses - Pact cards preferable, yet using this along with creatures who have activated abilities that can counter the your opponent's copied spell, such as Patron Wizard might be fun as well.
Bouchart
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(4 votes)
Question: If I have a Hive Mind in play and cast Final Fortune, who takes the extra turn first?
J-Ryda
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Question about Hive Mind: If an opponent casts Creeping Mold to destroy my Hive Mind do I get to copy and choose a target before the enchantment goes to the graveyard?
Vinifera7
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Graklinghunter: Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir will not stop your opponents from copying spells with Hive Mind. Teferi's ability reads, "Each opponent can cast spells only any time he or she could cast a sorcery." That doesn't have any bearing on copies of spells, since copies are not cast, they are simply put onto the stack.
@J-Ryda: When your opponent casts Creeping Mold while Hive Mind is on the battlefield, it goes on the stack, then a copy of it that you control goes on the stack. Yours resolves first, then his. So yes, you still get the copy.
Adren
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How would this work with Eye of the Storm? massive headaches?
I think the most effective use of this card may be with Underworld Dreams and Prosperity for vintage.
Just use simple math to determine how much to spend on X.
X > H/P
H = highest hitpoints among opponents
P = total number of players
Question: If I Splice my spell, will the copies get the abilities that my Splice added? Eg: I cast Reach Through Mists and I Splice Evermind, will the copies of Reach Through Mists have the extra "draw a card"?
blindthrall
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(4 votes)
MasterofEtherium may type annoyingly, but he's damn right. Why can't it cost 3U?
U-caster
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
I for one think this would be a fun card to use in a game with multiple opponents, or in a team game. One thing is for sure...It would be almost impossible to replicate any game you ever played.
Swiftgamer18
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
I could see using these with fun cards and Swerve. That would just be awesome to see. I also see this card as more of a problem for your opponent than yourself actually. I mean, it will definitely stop your opponent from playing Lavalanche on you. If it had a lower casting cost I bet it would see more play in standard.
Johnald
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Only good in large multiplayer games. Most fun I've had with this is slap down a Flame-Rift right after I played this in a 5 player game. From what I understand, a good card to use this with is Arc Blade for some multiplayer chaos. After this is out you cast it, everyone copies it and then suspends a copy. 3 turns later it triggers, everyone copies it and then suspends another copy. Making a large amount of suspended copies to keep track of.
AHHHHHHH!!!! Eye of the Storm?!?!? Why would you even suggest that??? AHHHHH!!!! Jeeze, adren, be normal and use this card to Knowledge Exploitation your opponent, then convince him to Reiterate the Exploitation so that you can get two Archive Traps and mill everyone out...and then win, because this all happened on your turn. Seriously.
How does this work with spells that have the Rebound ability? Does it trigger twice?
Hibron
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Actually, Amsjex, you're wrong. Here's the ruling:
10/1/2009 If the spell that's copied has an X whose value was determined as it was cast (like Earthquake does), the copy has the same value of X.
That being said, cards like machinate are still useful to you but not to them (or at least not AS useful to them).
Also amusing in multiplayer, and practical for you if your deck is all permanents and cards like machinate.
Sironos
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Hehe, play a blue/black deck with only black creatures on the field in a multiplayer game, play this and then play doom bolt and watch the other players rip at each other ^^.
Tezz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ quazior, no, the last thing that happens is that the original spell resolves. so you get your extra turn last.
channelblaze
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
whoever said use shaharazad, i officially hate you. That would be so mean, it's not even funny. =)
But seriously, this is a pretty fun card. Obviously works w/ pacts, I once cast enduring ideal w/ this out, and all my opponent could find was like nothing. IT pwned.,
Anggul
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Interesting, but it nullifies your own counters, as they can usually use the copy of the counter to counter your counter.
IshubarashI
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I have tons of fun with this card in multiplayer games. Spells like Flamebreak and Delirium Skeins are fun to use, or spells like Second Sight to create confusion and interesting outcomes. This is really more of a lulz card than a strategic card, for casual players that just want to have fun. Yeah there are some combos with the pact cards that make for easy wins but whats the fun in that? Overall fun card to play with, not much else you can say about it though, and it is a tad expensive, so I give it a 3/5
blindley
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ starbuckshane The Final Fortune combo would not work. Like you said, your own copy would resolve last. Since Final Fortune says to take a turn after this one, the last one to resolve inserts a turn before whichever ones already resolved, so it would go like this:
Opponent's resolves: Current Turn (yours) Opponents extra turn (just inserted) Opponents regular Turn
Yours resolves: Current turn (yours) Your extra turn (just inserted) Opponent's extra turn Opponent's regular turn
high_tide_niv
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
trade secrets, mind over matter, stroke of genius
Test-Subject_217601
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Am I the only one thinking of comboing this with Leyline of Sanctity and Lava Axe?
This is basically Donate for instants and sorceries, except you have to do it too.
Goatllama
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Why does every freaking blue card have to have a quote for Jace on it? He's so pretentious.......
Daikoru
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Reads "All counter spells are countered". Pretty awesome!
__Silence__
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You:Im gonna play a darksteel collosus Opponent: I think ill cancel that... You:I think ill cancel your cancel... Opponent: I hate hive mind -.-
Jice333
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
am I understanding this card correctly in that _EVERY_ player gets a chance to benefit from this card being played? It seems like it from the "each other player copies" wording, to me that seems as though it is a terribly sharp two-edged sword. Is it worth it to play if you can kill your opponent on that turn?
altf4ninja
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
blue is my major enemy color (long live red chaos lol), so the fact that i can use the mind games of blue to spread the chaos of red in my pyromancer's ascension deck is especially fun
chesster415
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Would it work if you had this out and a Vexing Shusher then played something and countered it with Pact of Negation, then immediately respond before Hive Mind triggers by making everything but your copy of Pact of Negation uncounterable. Would they have to counter your pact?
Alright guys, on my my turn, every time it rolls around, we play 16 subgames. Oh and also I am running 4 Burning Wishes to pull the other shahrazads that I own that aren't in my library. Did you know that under new M10 rulings if I use a wish in a subgame, it actually gets shuffled back in my deck when the subgame ends? Oh the fun times we'll have! We are going to be playing this one match for HOURS. Unless you all want to just pay half your life every time?
Or yes, I suppose you could punch me in the face. Pretty certain you broke my nose. The pain is tremendous. I think I need to go to the hospital- the bleeding won't stop.
Oh well, you know what they say, pain is temporary- MINIGAMES ARE ETERNAL!
I had fun casting Vindicate with one of these down in EDH last night. Cleared EVERYTHING, including the Journey to Nowhere that was on my Maelstrom Angel :)
I play an EDH group hug ( brawl ) deck w/ eye of the storm and this. One guy I played against was using a wall n' stall deck and said it was an unfun combo because it slowed down the game he was serious too
blink182zombies
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Play Legacy and you'll understand just how powerful this card is. Consistent turn 3 win.
SpuddLink
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This is one of my favorite blue cards period. I built a blue/black deck around it where all of my creatures are either black, or blue shroud (neurok commandos). Then I just stuffed the deck full of some Vendettas and Doom Blades. So much fun. Also threw in an Underworld Dreams and Time Reversal, just for an instant win out of left field when playing 3+ person games.
this is actually the center of a quite powerful legacy combo deck.
essentially, it plays heavy control until it draws hive mind and one of: pact of the titan, pact of negation, slaughter pact.
this forces your opponent to copy it, and (if it works) to lose the next turn.
Salient
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(11 votes)
Pair this with Final Fortune. Their copy resolves first. Before your copy resolves, sacrifice a Cursecatcher targeting your copy of Final Fortune. Let the opponent play their extra turn and die.
:)
(More fun than the Pact-based deck.)
P.S.: Alright guys, on my my turn, every time it rolls around, we play 16 subgames. Oh god. I feel like I should click "report abuse." :)
axiobeta
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
wut
Arachibutyrophobia
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
spoils of the vault?
ax_morph
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(2 votes)
allmighty_abacus: Why stop there? Throw out more Mirrors, March of Machines paired with Followed Footsteps or Rite of Replication... Forks and Reiterates and Twincast and Reverberate.
I cast Hive Mind + Time warp + Redirect +Twincast + in a 6 player game, my friends declared that i was removed from the game and that nothing i did that turn actually happened :'(
NaJin
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Play with Enduring Ideal or other epic cards = Game lock.
Odium1995
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
i mad a deck using this pyromancers ascensions echo mages and mass polymorphs. i also have the Leyline of Sanctity with a bunch of target players like sleep, etc. All i got to say about my deck is its name is Troll.
democidist
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Combine this with True Believer, or any of the numerous "you have shroud" cards to make your opponent hit him/herself, it's great.
agentvirgo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Norrinthewary - you need to play with some better "friends". What you did would be confusing as heck but wouldn't work in your favor - you'd be first on the stack with all that so your copies would be the last to resolve. You'd end up giving all the other people 3 turns in a row (because you know they'd just target themselves for extra turns) so it would be 15 turns before you got to go again, and by that point you'd be done anyway. If they'd rather force you to not play because they're too dumb to work out that you gave them all a huge advantage, then it's probably time to play with a different set of people.
Grumman
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(2 votes)
In a game of four or more players, this card turns Fire and Brimstone into a one shot kill. Every player does 4 damage to themselves and 4 damage to the person whose turn it is, for a total of 20 damage.
RobinHood3000
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I wanna pair this with Ivory Mask and player-targeted mill.
"I play Archive Trap. Congratulations, you get one, too!! But aww, it looks like there's only one legal target..." I suspect it will only become more spiteful in multiplayer...
kiseki
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Have a Kavu Predator or two in play. Cast Congregate. It will be interesting to see the target each person selects.
Dmaster_J
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Interesting card. I was using it in a duel with 4 other players and when asked how useful it actually was I said "I can always Negate it. That started a huge argument about Negating other people's Negates with copies of Negate.
Soloman212
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Everyone discussing how this added with Final Fortune is an instant win, the ruling on Final Fortune is that if multiple turns are created, they are carried out in reverse order that the responsible spells resolve. Since your copy (or rather original) is the last to resolve, you take your extra turn first, and therefor lose of you don't manage to win in that turn. The only way it would work out is if you, as someone suggested, counter your own spell with Cursecatcher. Regardless, this is a really fun card.
Also, cracked up at the 16 sub games. Can't imagine who would really be willing to play them. (Since the half damage is rounded up, it'd be a loss to forfeit the sub games.)
Nivmagus Elemental can make the Final Fortune combo extremely effective. Giving everybody one turn to kill you (read: Panic) is a beautiful effect.
Also, for sheer, absolute insanity that Niv-Mizzet would enjoy: Epic Experiment.
SKOOK
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Pact of Negation for 0 mana, win the game on each of your opponents' next turns
C1455
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
combos with the pact cards
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Chaos: Planeswalk to The Internet
allmighty_albacus: that is the only 'right' way to use this card in EDH :3
Everyone saying "use Pacts", you had BETTER be talking about Legacy, because winning like that is just pooping on everyone when it's EDH :P At least everyone can talk about the awesome stories they have with Subgame Guy:
"Dude did you see what we did? I didn't know backs could bend like that!"
"What a great day to be wearing steel-toed boots!' :D
"Man, I think like, he might DIE."
"Best time I've ever had not having fun, EVER!" xD
But against Pact Guy, it's just:
Your offense is enough to make everyone sad, but not enough to justify the necessary anger to at least provoke proper revenge out of us. The Legacy crowd plays this combo, and it doesn't carry much social stigma there, so they de facto promote it by not censuring it. They legitimize your crime. You just kind of win, and we just kind of have to take it. It's a bit like you shot a rabbit or a bird. Oh, it's dead now. :( But it was a rabbit/bird, not a puppy/kitten, so we can't even shoot you back. :/
COMPLETELY unfun by EVERY. POSSIBLE. STANDARD. >:P
Seriously, just Pact of Negation something during your turn when playing against any opponent that doesn't currently have access to {U}{U}. Hell, counter one of your own spells. Abusing the **** out of this doesn't have to be all that complicated.
Drewskithelegend
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Awesome card. The only reason I can't rate it 5/5 is because it needs to be built around. Otherwise the possibilities are endless. That being said
4.5/5
XaiviarNightwing
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
apocalypse
DucksGoMooful
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I was in a three-person game, and the one guy played Hive Mind. The next guy to go cast Boundless Realms, which gave the Hive Mind guy enough mana to cast Primal Surge on his turn. Madness ensued.
Basically, Hive Mind is beautiful.
Pick15
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(3 votes)
@Norrinthewary Of course you were removed from the game. That's like twenty spells.
PD2525
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Combos with: Endless Swarm Enduring Ideal or Eternal Dominion
Have fun!
PopcornBunni
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Many ways to cause some confusion using this and redirect spells in a multiplayer game.
SilentOppressor
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Hive Mind + Ivory Mask + Shroud Creatures + Lotsa burn. I smell a edh deck.
orisiti
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Aww.Gasm
Why compare?... they're even more fun together.
blurrymadness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Who would've thought this would become a legacy win-condition?
Ferlord
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Although no one really wants to open this in a booster pack, it's nice Wizards keeps making these 'funzo' cards.
Sure, they seem to be restricted to only Blue and Red, but at least they exist. New spells are always nice.
LordRandomness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Fun fact: Cards that give you an extra combat phase (such as Relentless Assault) produce additional phases for the current turn. The rulings say that if it's not a main phase when the spell is cast, there's no effect. However! If it's someone ELSE'S main phase, THEY get an additional combat phase. The upshot of this is that Hive Mind with these cards means you get a bonus combat phase for each opponent.
"Fellow colleges, distinguished members of the press, ladies and gentlemen:
I would like to take this opportunity to personally and humbly thank each and every one of you for joining us at this particular event.
It is my hope that we can utilize this meeting of the minds to successfully convey the essence of our platform to you, a grand and noble audience.
As I look out among the faces, I reflect, taking console in the words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."
Paranoia is a disease unto itself, and may I add, the person standing next to you, may not be who they appear to be, so take precaution.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. This is true! Many a young person has fallen prey to the substances that alter the perspective of any right thinking individual.
The Problem with the youth today is, because of their inexperience with the world, they cannot attempt to grasp the ideals set forth by myself and those who preceded me.
But, as history has shown, they will come around, and embrace our philosophies and become model citizens in their own right. God bless this great nation. "
Belgarath123
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This + any of the Pact cards that aren't in your opponent's colors.
This + One with Nothing + Isochron Scepter = makes opponents discard their hands after they draw!! Add Unwinding Clock and artifact lands to spend all mana on your turn and make them discard.
Comments (104)
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Eye of the storm
Reiterate/Mirari
Djinn illuminatus
Along with cards that have things like replicate and storm. (maybe flashback)
This way, you get everyone's spells, you get to replicate them, and the only time anyone else can benefit from any of these is during their main phases. Then, you can most likely whip out something to prevent that too.
but if you want to use it for power put in mana cost X cards, the copies always count as having zero mana paid as X meaning whilst you get a nice fireball or whatever, they get diddly squat and if the try to counter it you can counter their counter with their own spell.
or just use cards that effect everyone megrim + one with nothing means for 1 black everyone discards their hand.
however i doubt the stuff you said graklinghunter will work, as you never cast them you can't pay extra to replicate them, as they are copies they don't count for storming purposes. and teferi ain't stopping shit, they would still get the copies, as teferi just makes it so they can only cast spells when they could a sorcery it doesn't stop them recieving a copy of a spell from an ongoing trigger ability and if you reiterated their spell, they could reiterate it as well.
in essence the point of this card is to balance just about everything, giant growth on my attacking creature means giant growth your blocker. you shock me, i shock you. and if all else fails its a huge 'bullet magnet' normally i play this and suddenly everyone is trying to kill it.
I have gotten turn seven kills with this easily.
If you can accelerate, (Playing 5 color, I play reaper king), On turn six cast Conflux, grab Summoner's Pact, Intervention Pact, Titan's Pact, Slaughter Pact, and your Hive Mind. Turn seven cast your hive mind and your set of pacts. Theres no way even a 5 color deck can pay the 15 mana required for the four pacts, and because your upkeep was the last in the cycle, you win.
Also, you can cast Final Fortune with Hive Mind on the board, and since your's was first on the stack, it is the last to resolve, meaning you are the last one to get an extra turn, thus winning you the game.
And then there are also the fun things you could do with the cards already mentioned, noteably Mirari. You can make an extra copy for yourself after the Hive Mind copies hit the stack.
In all I think this could definately be a easily taken advantage of card in a casual or EDH format, but it is no where near standard caliber.
P.S. Using this card with things like Death Wish is also really fun! Massive life loss!
Would that work?
If an opponent casts Creeping Mold to destroy my Hive Mind do I get to copy and choose a target before the enchantment goes to the graveyard?
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir will not stop your opponents from copying spells with Hive Mind. Teferi's ability reads, "Each opponent can cast spells only any time he or she could cast a sorcery." That doesn't have any bearing on copies of spells, since copies are not cast, they are simply put onto the stack.
@J-Ryda:
When your opponent casts Creeping Mold while Hive Mind is on the battlefield, it goes on the stack, then a copy of it that you control goes on the stack. Yours resolves first, then his. So yes, you still get the copy.
Just use simple math to determine how much to spend on X.
X > H/P
H = highest hitpoints among opponents
P = total number of players
When not playing in vintage, Prosperity can be substituted for similar cards like Mind Spring, Tidings, or Flow of Ideas.
Jeeze, adren, be normal and use this card to Knowledge Exploitation your opponent, then convince him to Reiterate the Exploitation so that you can get two Archive Traps and mill everyone out...and then win, because this all happened on your turn. Seriously.
10/1/2009 If the spell that's copied has an X whose value was determined as it was cast (like Earthquake does), the copy has the same value of X.
That being said, cards like machinate are still useful to you but not to them (or at least not AS useful to them).
Also amusing in multiplayer, and practical for you if your deck is all permanents and cards like machinate.
But seriously, this is a pretty fun card. Obviously works w/ pacts, I once cast enduring ideal w/ this out, and all my opponent could find was like nothing. IT pwned.,
The Final Fortune combo would not work. Like you said, your own copy would resolve last. Since Final Fortune says to take a turn after this one, the last one to resolve inserts a turn before whichever ones already resolved, so it would go like this:
Opponent's resolves:
Current Turn (yours)
Opponents extra turn (just inserted)
Opponents regular Turn
Yours resolves:
Current turn (yours)
Your extra turn (just inserted)
Opponent's extra turn
Opponent's regular turn
Opponent: I think ill cancel that...
You:I think ill cancel your cancel...
Opponent: I hate hive mind -.-
1 Panoptic Mirror imprinted with Shahrazad
This card
4-Player game
Alright guys, on my my turn, every time it rolls around, we play 16 subgames. Oh and also I am running 4 Burning Wishes to pull the other shahrazads that I own that aren't in my library. Did you know that under new M10 rulings if I use a wish in a subgame, it actually gets shuffled back in my deck when the subgame ends? Oh the fun times we'll have! We are going to be playing this one match for HOURS. Unless you all want to just pay half your life every time?
Or yes, I suppose you could punch me in the face. Pretty certain you broke my nose. The pain is tremendous. I think I need to go to the hospital- the bleeding won't stop.
Oh well, you know what they say, pain is temporary- MINIGAMES ARE ETERNAL!
4x Shahrazad
2x Hive Mind
2x Eye of the Storm
2x Twincast
2x Reverberate
2x Fork
4x Izzet Guildmage
2x Cast Through Time
3x High Tide
3x Pyretic Ritual
4x Isochron Scepter
4x Candles' Glow
9x Plains
9x Mountain
9x Island
Sideboard:
2x Djinn Illuminatus
4x Counterspell
3x Mana Leak
3x Negate
3x Essense Shatter
What do you guys think?
Why didn't you autocard the lands? Now I have no idea what they do :p
One guy I played against was using a wall n' stall deck and said it was an unfun combo because it slowed down the game
he was serious too
essentially, it plays heavy control until it draws hive mind and one of: pact of the titan, pact of negation, slaughter pact.
this forces your opponent to copy it, and (if it works) to lose the next turn.
:)
(More fun than the Pact-based deck.)
P.S.: Alright guys, on my my turn, every time it rolls around, we play 16 subgames. Oh god. I feel like I should click "report abuse." :)
"I play Archive Trap. Congratulations, you get one, too!! But aww, it looks like there's only one legal target..." I suspect it will only become more spiteful in multiplayer...
Regardless, this is a really fun card.
Also, cracked up at the 16 sub games. Can't imagine who would really be willing to play them. (Since the half damage is rounded up, it'd be a loss to forfeit the sub games.)
Also, for sheer, absolute insanity that Niv-Mizzet would enjoy: Epic Experiment.
allmighty_albacus: that is the only 'right' way to use this card in EDH :3
Everyone saying "use Pacts", you had BETTER be talking about Legacy, because winning like that is just pooping on everyone when it's EDH :P At least everyone can talk about the awesome stories they have with Subgame Guy:
"Dude did you see what we did? I didn't know backs could bend like that!"
"What a great day to be wearing steel-toed boots!' :D
"Man, I think like, he might DIE."
"Best time I've ever had not having fun, EVER!" xD
But against Pact Guy, it's just:
Your offense is enough to make everyone sad, but not enough to justify the necessary anger to at least provoke proper revenge out of us. The Legacy crowd plays this combo, and it doesn't carry much social stigma there, so they de facto promote it by not censuring it. They legitimize your crime. You just kind of win, and we just kind of have to take it. It's a bit like you shot a rabbit or a bird. Oh, it's dead now. :( But it was a rabbit/bird, not a puppy/kitten, so we can't even shoot you back. :/
COMPLETELY unfun by EVERY. POSSIBLE. STANDARD. >:P
Goblin Game
Thieves' Auction
4.5/5
Basically, Hive Mind is beautiful.
Endless Swarm
Enduring Ideal
or
Eternal Dominion
Have fun!
Why compare?... they're even more fun together.
Sure, they seem to be restricted to only Blue and Red, but at least they exist. New spells are always nice.
Ok guys, we each bid using our life totals for every creature in play X* times.
* X is equal to the number of players in the game.
@Norrinthewary
Wouldn't that be 12 turns for you? Oyvey!
Also, I want to play this with Nekusar, the mindrazer and a lot of Wheel of Fortune effects.
and gentlemen:
I would like to take this opportunity to personally and humbly thank
each and every one of you for joining us at this particular event.
It is my hope that we can utilize this meeting of the minds to
successfully convey the essence of our platform to you, a grand and
noble audience.
As I look out among the faces, I reflect, taking console in the words
of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who said, "We have nothing to fear but
fear itself."
Paranoia is a disease unto itself, and may I add, the person standing
next to you, may not be who they appear to be, so take precaution.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. This is true! Many a young person
has fallen prey to the substances that alter the perspective of any
right thinking individual.
The Problem with the youth today is, because of their inexperience
with the world, they cannot attempt to grasp the ideals set forth by
myself and those who preceded me.
But, as history has shown, they will come around, and embrace our
philosophies and become model citizens in their own right. God bless
this great nation. "
6/5 for sweet Primus ref!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tYXfssLOSM