This card is so well designed. It looks fantastic at first glance, then you reread it and think about it and it looks terrible, then you think about it and realise there are actually loads of ways to turn the supposed disadvantage to your favour. Kudos to the designer.
AzureShadow
★★☆☆☆ (2.9/5.0)(5 votes)
This card is epic if you play one and then Flash or Scout's Warning a second one. a 12/12 for 3 cards and 2 or 3 mana
Aaronbader
★☆☆☆☆ (1.7/5.0)(5 votes)
good card.
drewcarey
★★★☆☆ (3.4/5.0)(6 votes)
I have one of these cards and is easily one of my favorite cards. I don't use it much, I just like to show it off considering the rarity of it. The design is amazing as well as the card itself.
MasterOfEtherium
★☆☆☆☆ (1.9/5.0)(6 votes)
Stifle Terminator, WIN
spoonish
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0)(4 votes)
i cant believe no one has brought up say pandemonium or fling? those are the obvious ones
or even volrath's shapeshifter (the trigger only occurs when the creature enters play, not when its being copied, and already in play)
punkaffe
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(3 votes)
best creature in legacy. 2round dreadnought+ stifle GO 3.round attack (counter) GO 4. round WIN
Kislev
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(5 votes)
Wouldn't Vision Charm work better just due to the fact that it's protected for one round before you attack? I mean, it's the same concept, except your Phyrexian Dreadnought is phased out until you next untap step.
Arachibutyrophobia
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(8 votes)
OH! Stifle and this card is just sooo cruel! A turn-two 12/12 trampler!!! It makes Black Lotus look like Boggart Forager. :O
I agree with Stygimoloch. It's a very creative card. They just don't make cards like this anymore. Looking back at old cards, I'm realizing that they are just exhausting old ideas. I wish I had started playing earlier!
Mode
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(9 votes)
Vorthos players will hate the fact that this works with Arcbound creatures, but it does nonetheless.
BryanFR
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0)(6 votes)
good to combine with Zendikar Electropotence: 3R to give 12 damage in the opponents face
lickthemoose
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
okay an even easier fix other then stifle would be pithing needle yes stifle fixes it the first time but how mean would it be if someone momentary blinked it or used turn to mist on it first turn pithing needle second turn Phyrexian Dreadnought or since sol ring is just restricted in legacy now why not do em both on the first turn unless they are running force of wills they will prolly fold right there
I use 4 of these in my Legacy deck along with Stifle and it works every time unless my opponent has force of will but my force of will usually takes care of that. As for the Dark Depths and Vampire Hexmage combo. you can't put a second one into play because of the legend rule. And how exactly do you get out the Dark Depths and the Hexmage out on turn 2, its a land. Without Fastbond you can only use Exploration or Azusa Lost but Seeking, and I don't think you are getting out all those things by turn 2.
LeoKula
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Take it easy, Mill_Master... the combo works pretty well, you can EASILY do that by turn 2 PLUS Dark Depths can't be countered, which makes the combo more consistent than Dread+Stifle, plus you sac the land when counters... and then Grim Discovery... gees...
Wow!
jumpingjacked
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
beware the Goblin Tinkerer.
BDragon123
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Yeah, @Mill_Master, I agree, most decks won't be getting those out by turn 2(2 swamps out your first two turns), but it IS possible, and for a 20/20? One turn isn't a very big wait. As far as Grim Discovery to do it again, yeah, you could. The token isn't legendary, the land is, and you sacrifice the land when you put the token into play. So, just use Grim Discovery to pick the legendary land out of your graveyard, play it again, use Hexmage's ability again, and voila, 2 Marit Lages.
Lateralis0ne
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0)(4 votes)
@ BDragon123:
Dark Depths labels the token Legendary. Remember to carefully read the cards before commenting on them.
As for Turn 2 Marit Lage, it's fairly easy: Turn 1: Play Dark Depths Turn 2: Play Swamp, cast Dark Ritual, Play Vampire Hexmage with 2 floating (no mana burn; let the third fizzle), sac Hexmage to target Dark Depths, and presto! Turn 2 Marit Lage. No haste, mind you...but that's a turn three swinger for 20 flying. Not bad.
But yeah...back to the card this thread's on:
Turn 1: land of some mana-producing type. Play Sol Ring, Play 2 Dreadnoughts, sac one to the other. Since they read "enters the battlefield" and then the ability triggering, it strikes me that you can sac on to the other, in order to keep on out. Not entirely certain if this works...but the logic seems to be there. Corrections/Comments?
s0phocles
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
@Lateralis0ne
You couldn't do that because you can't play phyrexian dreadnaught at instant speed. The first one's trigger would have to resolve before you would be allowed to play the second.
Ragamander
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
This is one of my favorite cards ever...so good that a deck built around sidestepping the comes-into-play trigger can still be insanely powerful. My card of choice to pair with the Dreadnought is another personal favorite, Pandemonium.
@s0phocles
That's why Flash was mentioned earlier. But I have a quicker solution.
T1: Land, Aether Vial. T2: Dreadnought, Dreadnought in response to the trigger. (Note that you can still play a land this turn, allowing for something like Reckless Charge or Mass Hysteria/Concordant Crossroads.) T3: Fairly probable win via Dreadnought-to-the-face pwnage.
Two Dreadnoughts, an Aether Vial, and a haste spell/enchantment. Overall, fairly manageable. If you accept a one-turn delay, then you've got access Tutors that can pull you a single missing piece of the combo (likely the Dreadnought). Worldly Tutor if you're missing a Dreadnought, Enlightened Tutor if you're missing the Vial or Crossroads. Even without haste on T2, you can just Berserk on T3. Heheh.
Mindbend
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
can I not just souls's fire it as a fast effect bfore its buried , this card is brillant
Ajani_is_da_man
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(2 votes)
This card costs 2 mana. End of story.
ClockworkSwordfish
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Not as good as Stifle, but if you have a Cranial Plating in an artifact-heavy deck, a 12-power creature is easy and quick to come up with (Plus, for 1 mana more, you can put the cranial plating on the Dreadnought for a likely 1 attack win).
boneclub
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
@Mill_Master: Turn 1: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Turn 2: Dark Depths. Tap both for Vampire Hexmage Opponent's end step: Sacrifice Hexmage and make a token.
Then you can play Grim just in case your opponent bounces your token or something.
@crimsonking: Not to be mean, but do you know how the game rules work at all? Not of this world counters a spell or ability that TARGETS a permanent you control. Do you see the word "target" anywhere on this card? Or do you actually think sacrificing is a targeted ability?
Aun
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Its just such an incredibly easy win, even for Vintage.
EvilCleavage
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Man this would whoop *** with Pandemonium. That's if you can get your hands on a few of these. Man, four of these in a deck with pandemonium and a couple tutors would be a fun deck.
ThatGeek
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I don't see why no one has suggested threatening your opponents creature if it's big enough and sacrificings that. Two birds one stone and all that.
themlsna
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Agreed. Stifle makes this card recklessly awesome.
The Dreadnought's "enters the battlefield" is a TRIGGERED ability, not an ACTIVATED ability. The best card to use with this is vision charm because it has 3 choices. Used in combination with volrath's shapeshifter and psychatog in a deck. Allows a second turn kill with a proven backup win condition. JMO
Oh and can we keep the chatter about OTHER CARDS in the forums, not on a DIFFERENT CARDs rating section, how rude!.
Dr.Pingas
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Clearly, you're supposed to sacrifice your Kosilek to it. Woot.
justicarphaeton
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A really interesting card with a fun drawback you can play around with. It's a shame they don't make cards like this anymore. I guess it would be too much to ask for it to be reprinted in Mirrodin Beseiged ;p
SP_N1nja
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Actually i could see them reprinting this in New Phyrexia the last set of the scars block so we'll have to see it's still a lot to ask for but i would love to see the card come back and maybe even see the price drop a little
DacenOctavio
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(7 votes)
Wow, I just realized you could Fling this. Before you have to sac it.
Kirbster
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(7 votes)
I swear this guy gets better with each set they print. There are just too many ways to get around his drawback and proceed to smash face.
@EvilCleavage - This was my first 3 turn kill. When i dre my initial hand it was a 5 turn kill... but then I drew dark ritual
1st turn mountain, pass.
2nd Turn swamp, dark ritual, pandemonium, pass
3rd Turn swamp, phyrexian dreadnought, 12 to the head, nothing to sac, off to the graveyard, raise dead, phyrexian dreadnought, 12 to the head, nice game.
Names_Suck
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0)(3 votes)
I feel bad for the little guy in the bottom right corner of the art. He is clearly outmatched.
Wanderer25
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Odd that the Oracle text says "sacrifice" when "bury" means "destroy the creature, it can't be regenerated" (at least as I understand it). Going by the original wording, it seems as if it would've comboed with Withstand Death. Correct me if I'm wrong...
EDIT: Thanks for clarifying that, Atali. My bad.
SeiberTross
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
There is a really tiny guy (maybe the Vulshok from Galvanic Blast?) in the corner of the card trying to fight off the large creature...it's not working so well.
roguepariah
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(5 votes)
Once New Phyrexia is released we'll have one more way to avoid the drawback with Torpor Orb
One of my very favorite cards because, on it's own, it seems kind of useless, but comboed with Stifle or Fling or a myriad of other cards, it becomes insane!
Also, hands down favorite artwork I've seen in MTG. this thing would be absolutely terrifying to actually encounter :S:S
umumwhatshisname
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This, the green tutor, Mossnort Bridge. Any character into play in 3 turns. Yes please
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This is on the reserved list. so was Phyrexian Negator. be GRATEFUL for the rest of your lives that Development went with Obliterator instead of Dread-er-nought.
MaRo: Hey, you know what would be uber cool?
Development Guy: (does not trust that LOOK) ....what?
MaRo: How about a Phyrexian Dreadnought that cost a BLACK mana instead of a COLORLESS mana, and had infect and made your OPPONENTS sacrifice instead?
Development Guy: Get the fruck out of my office.
MaRo: But you can only play it in mono-black!
(I do not believe MaRo would actually support such a card, ever,
but one could theorize he wanted Infect 'pushed' a bit, to make it 'relevant'.
and thus Magic almost broke.)
tavaritz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Atali: Bury means "destroy without possibility of regeneration". It doesn't work on indestructible permanents.
This will NOT be reprinted in New Phyrexia/Mirrodin Pure, or in any other set, deck or box, it's on the reserve list.
@Wanderer25 Bury did not mean "destroy and can't be regenerated", it literally meant "put into owner's graveyard", when they updated the rules and removed bury, most of these got changed to destruction effects because they were offensive, in this case it's meant to be a cost, and thus was changed to a sacrifice.
@tavaritz Bury typically translates to that NOW. Prior to the removal of bury from the rules, there were no indestructible permanents, so the issue never arose. In this case, bury was clearly meant as a cost to be paid for not sacrificing the requisite 12 power, and since at the time there was no way to survive being buried, it functioned exactly as intended.
Rules revision with the intent to keep the card working the way it was originally designed to work, that's what happened here, and with a number of other examples of bury used in this fashion.
NoobOfLore
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ Names_Suck I don't know, he might have first strike and deathtouch.
sonorhC
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Actually, indestructibility dates back all the way to the beginning. At the time, the rulings were that indestructibility did not protect against something being buried (such as by Fissure), but that if a land with Consecrate Land were animated, it would protect it against having its toughness reduced to zero. Of course, the rules have since been changed a lot ("bury" now is a kind of "destroy", and zero toughness is not a "destroy" effect any more), and it's now the reverse.
zerosavant
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(9 votes)
@Names_suck
"I feel bad for the little guy in the bottom right corner of the art. He is clearly outmatched. "
That "little guy" is Teferi. I think he can handle it.
Played this to PERFECTION once on my opp's T4 or T5 and ALL I sac'd was an Elite Vanguard and spent a total of 4 mana! With a Shimmer Myr and Elite Vanguard on the field, I Block his Leonin Abunas with a Righteousness and then (like I just royally F'd up), say- Oh crap! And quickly played a giant growth. My opp laughs awkwardly and says OK, way to go, yah.. now he's REALLY dead or something like that (thinking I goofed up). I continued to play along with it for a sec to make it look like I screwed up double and said CRAP!! Dude, I seriously thought Righteousness gave my guy +0/+7!! Can I pleeease take back my Giant Growth?? He says hmmm well.. You tapped your Forest already.. THAT I could easily forgive.. BUT, you took your finger off the Giant Growth and that I cannot (chess rule, ha ha ha..), spell played, nice kill bud! And then moves Abunas to the graveyard. Smart@ss.. Still playing along, I say you know what, you're Absolutely right, fairs fair (obviously he's just ***ed for attacking and losing Abunas), I say- I'll tell you what, I'm just gonna sac my Vanguard.. Again my opp laughs awkwardly- Haha what?? Yah, this Stupid Dreadnought dude says you have to sac a creature or creatures with power totaling 12 and since I have 1 forest left and this guys cmc is 1 and I have a creature with 12 power, guess I might as well just play him now while I can (sad face).. ***ED, he scoops and says you're a POS Con Artist!! Then I'm all- Nooo.. Come on now, I just paint a BEAUTIFUL picture!! It was SOO classic! I'll never forget it :)
This getting countered by Mental Misstep? Heartbreaking.
iUseBreakOpen
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This getting countered by Mental Misstep? Heartbreaking.
What really sucks is when they mental misstep your stifle, because then you're out 2 cards for your combo instead of just 1.
Salient
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Strange to think of anything Phyrexian working for the Greater Good.
(That might be the best card draw engine in the game of Magic, actually. I can't think of any other "draw 12" spells for or even , and this guy's triggered ability uses the stack, so it works. It's even repeatable if (1) you can bounce the Dreadnought from your graveyard to your hand and (b) you need 24 cards. Sheeeesh.)
@ redgolem -- yes, but only if you are allowed to cast Phyrexian Dreadnought at instant speed. The enters-play ability resolves before you are able to cast any non-instant-speed spells, such as a second Dreadnought. To use your trick would require giving the Dreadnought flash, or something like Aluren.
Paolino
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(12 votes)
These are the reasons why I love this card...
1) It is BIG! Really really BIG! Bigger than THAT! 2) It tramples. 3) It costs ONE GENERIC MANA. 4) It has a specific drawback, and I love the old fatties with drawback! Moreover, the drawback was already bypassable when it came out. 5) It is Phyrexian. 6) It is a gargantuan insect-like machine that is about to devour a mage trying to stop it with a ridiculous spell. 7) It creates LOTS of BIG effects. I post here some of them sorted by mana cost. - For you have a 12/12 trampler (Torpor Orb or Illusionary Mask) - For you deal 12 damage to any target (Pandemonium or Warstorm Surge) - For you have a 12/12 trampler (Sundial of the Infinite) - For you have a 12/12 trampler (Stifle) - For you deal 12 damage to a player and gain 12 life (Brion Stoutarm) - For you have a 12/12 trampler (Trickbind) - For you deal 12 damage to a player (Fling) - For you deal 12 damage to opponent (Electropotence) - For you have a 12/12 trampler (Volrath's Shapeshifter) - For you have a 12/12 trampler (Dimir Doppelganger) - For you have a 12/12 trampler (Cemetery Puca) - For you sacrifice all opponent's creatures and have a 12/12 trampler at the end of turn (Reins of Power) - For you gain 12 life and draw 12 cards (Momentous Fall) - For you have a 18/18 (Hamletback Goliath) - For you have a 5/5 with haste and deal 12 damage to any target (Stalking Vengeance)
Also works with Sundial of the Infinite - Dreadnought hits the battlefield. Ability triggers. The turn ends - all abilities on the stack are exiled -
Arachnos
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(2 votes)
Gotta love it when time completely breaks cards Wizards thought were balanced when they printed them.
Radagast
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
An interesting card back in the day, far more powerful now with so many ways to bypass the drawback. What I find interesting is that the Dreadnaught does NOT sacrifice itself if you fail to meet the conditions - instead, it just destroys itself without possibility of regeneration. It's not really important given all the other ways around it's drawback, but it's just an odd example of how cards worked back then.
i think the only way to make this card bad is if it said "as you cast this spell, you lose the game" because i don't think that can be stifled. but seriously, no matter the drawback, i don't see any possible way a 12/12 for 1 colorless is ever bad
Sure, alone it's not all that special, but there are so many combos with this card that it can be stifling.
AllOfTheSpells
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Is 0 not a number?
GlintKawk42
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
definitely need to make a deck with this guy. Torpor Orb, anybody? Also, Trample!? 5/5
BibboTheFirst
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
With the new Varloz, the Scar-Striped this guy is even more ferocious. Yes, I'll take 12 +1/+1 counters for one generic mana, thank you.
tut07
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
i am seeing a very broken combo between this and golgaris new general for dragons maze Varloz, the Scar-Striped Turn 1: Birds of a paradise Turn 2: Varloz, the Scar-Stiped Turn 3 Sac this and scavenge this on to Varloz Congrats you have a 14/14 with regen on turn 3!
End of their turn, flash in 1st one. Ability gos on the stack. Flash in 2nd one, ability gos on the stack, eat the first one. Then the 1st ability resolves and you chose to bury, and it fizzles.
Then your turn, draw, place another island, swing for 12 damage. Pass. Their turn you counter any response and win.
Lifegainwithbite
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Idea for Legacy:
Turn 1: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Torpor Orb, Phyrexian Dreadnought. Turn 2: Tainted Strike, swing for win. Only requires 5 cards in hand to win.
Xineombine
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Oh it's the Dreadnought Biitch!!!!
MattLynn
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Instead of golems, constructs, gargoyles, thopters, juggernauts, etc, I believe a whole tribal set with dreadnought as the artifact & maybe Dimir or Golgari colors could be good for the game. Maybe like leviathans, this type will have versions with both flying and not. I like the idea of a combo creature type with zombie...But I'm just rambling now. What would define what the dreadnought type is? This card. What would one that costed or be?
wideyes
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Love the balance on this guy. Great card.
Continue
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
"If Phyrexian Dreadnought would enter the battlefield, you may sacrifice any number of creatures with total power 12 or greater instead. If you do, put Phyrexian Dreadnought onto the battlefield. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard."
To think, if this card were worded like Mox Diamond, it would see pretty much no play. As it is, it's easily breakable.
SpaceMagic
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Torpor Orb. The monster is too lazy to eat his breakfast and just skips straight to killing things.
Zetan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Even if you ignore all the ways there are to "cheat" it into play, you can still get this guy out by turn 3 or so. There are plenty of creatures with 3 power for one mana (Cinder Wall, Slumbering Dragon, Torpid Moloch) so you can have 3 total power on turn 1, 9 on turn 2, and 12 (with two mana leftover) on turn 3.
Dragonshoredreamz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Nothing like a T2 win-con. I'll take 4.
car2n
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The love child of Jhonny and Timmy.
Goatllama
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Dread naught, 'cause this card ain't scared of anything.
One of the most badass cards in Magic. That might be the Timmy speaking, though.
JarieSuicune
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card is funny: About average cost: $12, for 1 copy. Stats? 12/12, costs .
Yodha
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Having been on here so many times and with so many cards to keep track of when deckbuilding, I ended up making an excel database (out of frustration) to show which creature cards work best, given their mana/ability/p-t values, and factored in card ranking from here. Many many thanks to your inputs.
So yes, by far the best one drop result was THIS crazy beast. The sacrificial cost is entirely irrelevant. At a whopping ~1150% value, followed by Mother of Runes at a distant 527%, it goes to show CMC cost for value is well recognised. Of course, increasing the {1} to {2} to factor in stifle, which results in half the original score, it is still higher than that Mother.
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or even volrath's shapeshifter (the trigger only occurs when the creature enters play, not when its being copied, and already in play)
2round dreadnought+ stifle GO
3.round attack (counter) GO
4. round WIN
I agree with Stygimoloch. It's a very creative card. They just don't make cards like this anymore. Looking back at old cards, I'm realizing that they are just exhausting old ideas. I wish I had started playing earlier!
Wow!
Dark Depths labels the token Legendary. Remember to carefully read the cards before commenting on them.
As for Turn 2 Marit Lage, it's fairly easy:
Turn 1: Play Dark Depths
Turn 2: Play Swamp, cast Dark Ritual, Play Vampire Hexmage with 2 floating (no mana burn; let the third fizzle), sac Hexmage to target Dark Depths, and presto! Turn 2 Marit Lage. No haste, mind you...but that's a turn three swinger for 20 flying. Not bad.
But yeah...back to the card this thread's on:
Turn 1: land of some mana-producing type. Play Sol Ring, Play 2 Dreadnoughts, sac one to the other. Since they read "enters the battlefield" and then the ability triggering, it strikes me that you can sac on to the other, in order to keep on out. Not entirely certain if this works...but the logic seems to be there. Corrections/Comments?
You couldn't do that because you can't play phyrexian dreadnaught at instant speed. The first one's trigger would have to resolve before you would be allowed to play the second.
@s0phocles
That's why Flash was mentioned earlier. But I have a quicker solution.
T1: Land, Aether Vial.
T2: Dreadnought, Dreadnought in response to the trigger. (Note that you can still play a land this turn, allowing for something like Reckless Charge or Mass Hysteria/Concordant Crossroads.)
T3: Fairly probable win via Dreadnought-to-the-face pwnage.
Two Dreadnoughts, an Aether Vial, and a haste spell/enchantment. Overall, fairly manageable. If you accept a one-turn delay, then you've got access Tutors that can pull you a single missing piece of the combo (likely the Dreadnought). Worldly Tutor if you're missing a Dreadnought, Enlightened Tutor if you're missing the Vial or Crossroads. Even without haste on T2, you can just Berserk on T3. Heheh.
Turn 1: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Turn 2: Dark Depths. Tap both for Vampire Hexmage
Opponent's end step: Sacrifice Hexmage and make a token.
Then you can play Grim just in case your opponent bounces your token or something.
?????????????
Turn 4: profit
Turn 1: Phyrexian Dreadnought + not of this world
enough said?
This guy can be sacrificed to Brion Stoutarm for 12 to the face for a 2 mana investment. Not too shabby.
put a legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying and "This creature is indestructible" named Marit Lage onto the battlefield.
The Dreadnought's "enters the battlefield" is a TRIGGERED ability, not an ACTIVATED ability. The best card to use with this is vision charm because it has 3 choices. Used in combination with volrath's shapeshifter and psychatog in a deck. Allows a second turn kill with a proven backup win condition. JMO
Oh and can we keep the chatter about OTHER CARDS in the forums, not on a DIFFERENT CARDs rating section, how rude!.
The classic? Reins of Power. So rude.
1st turn mountain, pass.
2nd Turn swamp, dark ritual, pandemonium, pass
3rd Turn swamp, phyrexian dreadnought, 12 to the head, nothing to sac, off to the graveyard, raise dead, phyrexian dreadnought, 12 to the head, nice game.
EDIT: Thanks for clarifying that, Atali. My bad.
Also, hands down favorite artwork I've seen in MTG. this thing would be absolutely terrifying to actually encounter :S:S
MaRo: Hey, you know what would be uber cool?
Development Guy: (does not trust that LOOK) ....what?
MaRo: How about a Phyrexian Dreadnought that cost a BLACK mana instead of a COLORLESS mana, and had infect and made your OPPONENTS sacrifice instead?
Development Guy: Get the fruck out of my office.
MaRo: But you can only play it in mono-black!
(I do not believe MaRo would actually support such a card, ever,
but one could theorize he wanted Infect 'pushed' a bit, to make it 'relevant'.
and thus Magic almost broke.)
@Wanderer25
Bury did not mean "destroy and can't be regenerated", it literally meant "put into owner's graveyard", when they updated the rules and removed bury, most of these got changed to destruction effects because they were offensive, in this case it's meant to be a cost, and thus was changed to a sacrifice.
@tavaritz
Bury typically translates to that NOW. Prior to the removal of bury from the rules, there were no indestructible permanents, so the issue never arose. In this case, bury was clearly meant as a cost to be paid for not sacrificing the requisite 12 power, and since at the time there was no way to survive being buried, it functioned exactly as intended.
Rules revision with the intent to keep the card working the way it was originally designed to work, that's what happened here, and with a number of other examples of bury used in this fashion.
I don't know, he might have first strike and deathtouch.
"I feel bad for the little guy in the bottom right corner of the art. He is clearly outmatched. "
That "little guy" is Teferi. I think he can handle it.
Oh look. A 1 drop 12/12 creature with no downside.
it's almost too easy
Too easy indeed, you seem to be a mana short.
I might just forget to tell my friend with these cards about it.
Turn 2: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Infernal Plunge which leads to Warstorm Surge
Turn 3: Land, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Disentomb, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Game.
O Mighty Dreadnought, how do I break thee? Let me count the ways.
Ways to make a Dreadnought:
T2: Stifle, Mask of the Mimic + any creature
T3: Torpor Orb, Renegade Doppelganger, Trickbind, Sundial of the Infinite
T4: Cackling Counterpart, Voidslime, Dimir Doppelganger, Cytoshape + any creature
T5: Mirrorweave + at least one creature, Humility + any enchantment removal (noncreature source)
T6: Riku of Two Reflections
T7: Dual Nature, Wild Pair
Ways to make something roughly equivalent to a Dreadnought:
T4: Mercy Killing
T6: Kresh the Bloodbraided
T8: Hamletback Goliath
Ways to make good one-time use of a Dreadnought:
T3: Renegade Doppelganger, Fling
T4: Soul's Fire, Electropotence, Cytoshape + any creature
T5: Pandemonium, Brion Stoutarm, Mirrorweave + several creatures
T6: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Keldon Battlewagon
T7: Warstorm Surge, Sword of the Ages, Bloodshot Cyclops
T8: Stalking Vengeance
And I'm sure there'd be more, especially if we were to allow two specific cards in addition to the 'Naught, instead of just one.
Mishra, Artificer Prodigy also enables this trick by default.
Although, in the right deck this guys ETB ability can be helpful. 3 Reveillark can do the trick. Martyr's Bond or Grave Pact can make your opponents suffer, not just from the 12/12 trample.
Archon of Justice
Goblin Arsonist
What really sucks is when they mental misstep your stifle, because then you're out 2 cards for your combo instead of just 1.
(That might be the best card draw engine in the game of Magic, actually. I can't think of any other "draw 12" spells for
@ redgolem -- yes, but only if you are allowed to cast Phyrexian Dreadnought at instant speed. The enters-play ability resolves before you are able to cast any non-instant-speed spells, such as a second Dreadnought. To use your trick would require giving the Dreadnought flash, or something like Aluren.
1) It is BIG! Really really BIG! Bigger than THAT!
2) It tramples.
3) It costs ONE GENERIC MANA.
4) It has a specific drawback, and I love the old fatties with drawback! Moreover, the drawback was already bypassable when it came out.
5) It is Phyrexian.
6) It is a gargantuan insect-like machine that is about to devour a mage trying to stop it with a ridiculous spell.
7) It creates LOTS of BIG effects. I post here some of them sorted by mana cost.
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I think this is enough...
Also for those not in the know, this is what inspired Batterskull.
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Play Swamp
Cast Dark Ritual
Cast Torpor Orb
Cast Phyrexian Dreadnought
Turn 2)
Play Mountain
Attack for 12.
Cast Fling.
Game Over.
Also works with Sundial of the Infinite
- Dreadnought hits the battlefield. Ability triggers. The turn ends - all abilities on the stack are exiled -
Turn 1: Birds of a paradise
Turn 2: Varloz, the Scar-Stiped
Turn 3 Sac this and scavenge this on to Varloz
Congrats you have a 14/14 with regen on turn 3!
End of their turn, flash in 1st one. Ability gos on the stack.
Flash in 2nd one, ability gos on the stack, eat the first one.
Then the 1st ability resolves and you chose to bury, and it fizzles.
Then your turn, draw, place another island, swing for 12 damage. Pass.
Their turn you counter any response and win.
Turn 1: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Torpor Orb, Phyrexian Dreadnought.
Turn 2: Tainted Strike, swing for win. Only requires 5 cards in hand to win.
To think, if this card were worded like Mox Diamond, it would see pretty much no play. As it is, it's easily breakable.
I'll take 4.
One of the most badass cards in Magic. That might be the Timmy speaking, though.
About average cost: $12, for 1 copy.
Stats? 12/12, costs
So yes, by far the best one drop result was THIS crazy beast. The sacrificial cost is entirely irrelevant.
At a whopping ~1150% value, followed by Mother of Runes at a distant 527%, it goes to show CMC cost for value is well recognised. Of course, increasing the {1} to {2} to factor in stifle, which results in half the original score, it is still higher than that Mother.
As for 3rd and 4th places, they were Delver of Secrets at 339%, and Vexing Devil at 325%
As for the others in their CMC tiers -
Best {2} drop: Qasali Pridemage @ 160%
Best {3} drop: True-Name Nemesis @ 176%
Best {4} drop: Phyrexian Obliterator @ 173%
Best {5} drop: Baneslayer Angel @ 166%
Best {6} drop: Wurmcoil Engine @ 138%
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