YAY first post! ho my my my, this is MY FAVORITE dragon! :) 5/5
shoalsuser2004
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(6 votes)
Yes indeed, this is one of the better multi-colored dragons available.
Joseph_Leito
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(4 votes)
Use the effect with Progenitus. He goes back into the deck and this guy turns into him until you can actually get him out.
a7141988
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(2 votes)
1) Progenitus is not of the type Dragon, 2) Progenitus can NEVER be in a graveyard, 3) This is an awesome dragon.
Gezus82
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(7 votes)
this guy is insane in combo with Teneb, the Harvester take teneb first time then bring him back with his own ability, then keep combing to sac dragons and bring them beck with the real teneb. you don't even need any more manna beyond the 5 needed to play him
Pantheon
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(9 votes)
I have this guy as a general in my favorite EDH deck. I find that Dragon Tyrant is just about the best dragon to pull with him!
Lege
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(6 votes)
Black has awesome combo power with this and Conspiracy. Black can also bring dudes easily back from the dead so investing in black cards with this baby in the deck is a double win.
Conical
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(4 votes)
What would happen if you flicker/blink it while it is a copy of another dragon?
metalevolence
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(4 votes)
so awesome to be able to tutor any of the invasion or planar chaos legendary dragons for their effect, especially teneb. and bolas of course.
Zosk
★★★☆☆ (3.4/5.0)(6 votes)
I've fallen in love with dragons thanks to this one. This card is especially fun in Singleton, giving you an excuse to try a variety of dragons. Cleary some are more useful than others, but most are nice to look at if nothing else. :)
HappyDude69
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(3 votes)
How would this card work with clockwork dragon? would he get the +1/+1 counters or would it kill him?
ICEFANG13
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(5 votes)
@HappyDude69 It would kill him, since he is a clone his triggered effect of coming into play isn't possible, since he has to be in play to use his ability. If a Gaea's Anthem was in play he would live and could add counters to himself which he would not lose when he changes back.
42istheanswer
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
The combo doesn't work with Teneb, because when Scion reanimates Teneb he IS Teneb and the legend rule kills them both. He's still an amazing card, perfect in a reanimator deck.
A3Kitsune
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Have him copy Kokusho the Evening Star while another Kokusho is in play. Then use reanimation to bring both Kokushos back to play.
avav
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
i love using this with card with Teneb the Harvester to bring out all my high causing creatures.
TheAlucinaut
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
A great dragon & supercool card all around.
@42IsTheAnswer To get around that legend problem, couldn't you:
turn 5: drop Scion turn 6: Pay 2, Teneb goes to the graveyard/Scion becomes Teneb turn 7: Hit for 6, pay three for Teneb's effect, then immediately after pay 2 for scion's ability again & make him a new dragon? Wouldn't his ability resolve first, so by the time Teneb hits, technically, Scion has become whatever other dragon & is thus immune to the legend rule? Since they're both instant speed activated abilities, wouldn't it shake down this way if you did it right?
Of course this is mana-permitting, but I recently helped my brother build himself a wubrg dragon deck & it has very little trouble with mana so I think it'd work out. Also, I realize the steps in turns 5 & 6 described above could be done earlier or in the same turn depending on mana accel or a late game instance, I was just putting it as simply as possible.
DarthMohawk1
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
@TheAlucinaut:
When Scion changes into a copy of Teneb (or anything else, for that matter), he doesn't keep his power of transmutation. If you blinked him or something after stacking Scion-Teneb's ability, though, you could have your cake and eat it too, since Scion would turn back into himself upon returning to play, and then when Teneb gets reanimated he won't die from the legend rule.
Etiens
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Hey I'm having a question about this dragon : if I use its ability to fetch a changeling card, for example nameless inversion, what would happen?
Dreki
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
@TheAlucinaut these are the problems with you're theory 1.) Scion of Ur-Dragons ability is until end of turn so you can't throw Teneb in the graveyard and then attack as Teneb the next turn. 2.) When Scion of Ur-Dragon copies a dragon he no longer has his own abilities so you can't use his ability when he's Teneb...
tdogg46142
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
easy way to do the Teneb with Scion. Turn 5, play Scion. Turn 6, use ability on Teneb. Use call of the netherworld to return Teneb to your hand. Turn 7, play Teneb
TPmanW
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Probably the best general I could get for my changeling edh deck. He's gonna become some real weird things. Also he's great a filling up the graveyard with cool creatures.
Drawmeomg
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(1 vote)
"The combo doesn't work with Teneb, because when Scion reanimates Teneb he IS Teneb and the legend rule kills them both. He's still an amazing card, perfect in a reanimator deck."
It does if you have 2 more mana open.
Scion puts Teneb in the GY, copies him. Scion attacks and hits. Reanimation ability goes on the stack. Pay 2 to search out something else. Scion ceases to be Teneb because its copying something else. Let Reanimation trigger resolve, pay 2B, get actual Teneb back. Reanimate dragon after dragon, making opponents really, really sad.
Lord_of_Tresserhorn
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Hmmm, can Scion activate its ability, then respond to that by activating its ability, then... (as long as you have the mana)
You only copy the very last dragon, but you draw a whole bunch of dragons out of your deck into the more easily accessible graveyard.
I'm probably thinking along wrong lines here.
Snafinturtle
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
It's been said several times, but yeah, the Scion loses his ability to turn into other dragons once his first ability resolves.
@Etiens Looking at the card, it states you need to search for a dragon type permanent card (Land, Creature, Artifact, Enchantment, Planeswalker) instants and sorceries are not permanents. He does have the ability to get around championing things though.
@Lege That's a great idea, I likes me a 2 mana Phyrexian dreadnought with no drawback (among other absurdly large creatures). That or 2 mana graveyard reshuffling with Emrakul, not to mention the Annihilator 6.
@Lord_of_Tresserhorn First off, love your username, LoT = my favorite General XD. Secondly, yes you may use his ability in response to itself as many times as you have mana to activate it. You'll be able to chuck whatever dragon/changeling permanents you deem fit into the graveyard. Once the abilities resolve, you'll see him glowing funny colors and changing shape until the final one resolves. at which point he'll become the last dragon you sent to the graveyard.
DacenOctavio
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ Conical: He just enters the battlefield treated as a new copy of Scion.
Doowyeh
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This is absolutely brilliant with channel the suns and Nicol Bolas (the original) in your deck.
BlackAlbino
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Best EDH general EVER
jsttu
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I have an EDH of this guy as my general, and i usually search for Vorosh first then either Dragon Tyrant or Skithiryx for the win.
CodeZX
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
@HappyDude69 It would kill him. "Comes into play" effects don't trigger when Scion copies them, so unless he had +1 toughness from another source when you pulled Clockwork Dragon, he'd be a 0/0 and die.
This guy is all kinds of fun, and is especially funny when an opponent attemts to spitting image him. A friend did that to me, and I changed Scion into a dragon whelp to prevent legend rule and screw my friend out of getting his own Scion.
Cardinal-Ximinez
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(14 votes)
Guy at gamestore: You play EDH? Who's your general? Me: Oh, just EVERY DRAGON EVER.
blurrymadness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
@a7141988 That's not true. If you casted Sudden Spoiling on Progenitus and then destroyed it it would not have the ability until it was already in the graveyard, in which case it would be too late for the ability to trigger. Same would go for any other card that without targeting that causes a creature to lose all abilities. NA NA, NA NA ,NAAA NAAA
If used with Teneb, stop being a noob and just use his Teneb ability to ressurect something else. Freakin A. You'll get a Broodmate this turn, and attack for lethal next turn.
@Drawnmeomg & Lord of TresserHorn I'm not sure there's away to use this cards ability twice successfully. If you use it twice right away you'll become the second target first, and then the first will attempt to resolve and you'll no longer be that card. I'm not sure if it's a problem, but either way you can't get Teneb on the field using this ability.
Instead, similarly, you could res Teneb with him (using Teneb's ability), while that ability is on the stack you can Flicker, Sudden Spoiling (yourself), or other effects similar to that and then he'll no longer be the legendary teneb, then teneb will resolve.
A lot of work to make an unnecessary combo, but it can be done.
To put it to all of you simply, you can do anything in magic. Anything.
with regards to the teneb discussion, what if you change it into another dragon while teneb's reanimating ability is on the stack? The change would be on top so he'd be another dragon afterwards, and then the reanimate would go off right?
Szentekkel
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
when you have such a creature that can pull out of your deck every little *** combo of a race (not a weak tribe by the way) you cant say something bad about
pedrodyl
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
What do you like least about playing a dragon tribal deck? Winning before being able to play all of my dragons :( THEN THIS GUY'S FOR YOU!
Agent1103
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I wanted to clarify a few things here. It IS possible to put multiple triggers of Scion's ability on the stack. This has both practical applications and sometimes fatal ones for your opponent. For example, in EDH you can have him attack as your general, put several of his triggers on the stack (lets say Moltensteel Dragon and Dragon Tyrant), pay life to pump him when his first trigger resolves and he becomes Moltensteel Dragon, then allow him to hit as Dragon Tyrant with Double Strike for a quick victory.
The situation which is currently being discussed on this forum about Scion and Teneb, the Harvester does not work, nor is there a way to have him hit as Teneb and become something else to reanimate another creature. A better idea is to stack his triggers dumping several creatures in the yard, one of which being Bladewing the Risen, then allowing him to hit as Teneb. You can then reanimate Bladewing with Scion's borrowed Teneb triggered ability, and use Bladewing to reanimate another creature you put into the graveyard. I personally like reanimating Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund shortly after casting a Shields of Velis Vel on my opponent that I searched out using Elvish Harbinger. "Wrath of God? No? GG."
bandswithgoats
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
It's weird that the self-proclaimed "blood of the ur-dragon" is a 4/4 when 5 is such a central number to dragon cards.
TherealphatMatt
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0)(3 votes)
Guys, I think we're missing something very important. Look at the flavor text.
THE DRAGON CAN ****ING TALK.
Kryptnyt
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@TherealphatMatt Most dragons in Magic can. Dragon Mage has a quote. The wedge dragons could talk. Niv-Mizzet can talk, and so can Nicol Bolas. Its fairly unsurprising, since dragons from D&D can speak as well, also a WOTC product.
DeathByMongoose
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
So if Scion goes to the graveyard while copying another dragon, which dragon hits the graveyard? For example, if he's copying Keiga, the Tide Star, would Keiga's ability trigger?
SoSayethTheBey
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
People, once Scion resolves his first activation, he loses the copying ability (as per the Oracle) so you can't attack with him, discard Teneb, and then attempt to make him someone else. Many people on here have already stated this very same statement but people don't seem to comprehend this.
I am glad to say that I have gotten some great ideas for modifying my Commander deck in this discussion.
@codeZX- You can't cast Sudden Spoiling on Progenitus because you can't even target him with the spell, so your idea fails. Also, the legend rule triggers before you're able to blink one away, since it doesn't use the stack.
Conspiracy. Thanks to Innistrad, it is now possible to win with Scion of the Ur-Dragon in Commander with only 6 mana if you have Conspiracy naming "Dragon" in play. Here's what I figured out:
Pay {4} to activate the ability and then activate it again in response. Put away a Grave-Shell Scarab and then a Civilized Scholar, so Scion becomes a Civilized Scholar. Tap it, dredge the Scarab, and discard it, untapping but not transforming the Scion. Repeat until you've milled your entire library. You should have Memory's Journey, Unearth, and Laboratory Maniac in the graveyard. If you have a creature in hand, you can draw two cards, so go ahead and Memory's Journey Unearth, draw it, then get Laboratory Maniac back and win.
This combo is ugly but it does win. Please let me know if you think of a winning combo that takes less than 6 mana and 5 specific cards in the Commander deck. I know that with Unburial Rites, you can win with 8 mana and don't need the Unearth + Journey.
LuCaos
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
@ Chamale
An easier way of doing the Conspiracy combo with labratory maniac is this.
1. Conspiracy on the board.
2. Play leveler ((They won't counter it most likely because it's leveler))
3. In response to the "Exile library" effect, turn your scion into Labratory Maniac.
4. Win.
Also if you have becon of tommorrows in hand, if your scion gets trickbinded, then proceed to take infinte turns.
syrazemyla
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Here's a way to one-hit kill with him the turn after he comes out.
Activate his copy ability twice, and let the first one resolve, binning Moltensteel Dragon. With the other copy ability still on the stack, pay 12 life to give him +6/+0. Then let the second copy ability activate, turning him into Skithryx, the Blight Dragon. The +6/+0 is unaffected by the copying, so you're hitting for 10 infect damage for the win.
DoragonShinzui
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0)(3 votes)
Suddenly, Dragon. Not "dragon," Dragon.
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
SUPER SECRET TECH: Kaalia of the Vast. In the 99. Kaalia can be a perfectly valid 5-color deck. With access to free-casting ALL the Invasion and Time Spiral and EDH dragons...FOR. FREE. Just use this guy to Tutor for them, and as many Disentomb effects to bring them to your hand to Kaalia them out. There is a slight difference between 'Any Dragon' and 'EVERY Dragon', Mr. Ximiex. Being 5-color also lets you play with all 3 PowerPuffs. And Avacyn + Worldslayer. And some really bonkers shite.
I think I saw a card that may have been supposed to be the actual Ur-Dragon, of which this is just the Scion of. Anyone think Ramos is a candidate?
Kelptic183
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How is this not a dragon shapeshifter?
Building off the earlier suggestion for Kaalia of the Vast, and assuming you are playing Conspiracy, then there is no reason not to run Rakdos the Defiler, since you can send him after you attack but before he hits to skip the trigger. Then play Yore-Tiller Nephilim to bring Rakdos back from your graveyard attacking.
divinewind08
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
@Drawmeomg: "9/25/2006 When Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of another Dragon, it loses its copy ability for the rest of the turn."
gelfish95
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(3 votes)
@DeathByMongoose- It would depend on the wording of the card, for Keiga, the Tide Star its ability would not trigger because Scion would have reverted to itself when it enters the graveyard. However if it were to have a "when this creature dies" ability that would trigger.
Towards the Teneb, the Harvester discussion. You could make it work. What you have to do is bounce or kill Scion (for EDH I recommend bouncing it and all other game types killing it) before the ability resolves. By killing scion before the ability resolves the two Tenebs would not be on the board at the same time, so the legend rule would not come into effect.
Arachnos
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(5 votes)
He's not a shapeshifter because this ability is beyond shapeshifting.
He's an avatar because he is basically the embodiment of all dragons.
TheWrathofShane
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Prismatic Dragon Online.
8Netherwind8
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I've been meaning to write something about this Wonder-of-Wonders ever since I got into EDH... basically, he IS the reason. I love Dragons, much like Sarkhan Vol, and he's the closest thing to a Dragon-God you can get in this world... 'nough said! However, something changed recently that made me pull out one of his best buds and make a 2nd awe-inspiring deck (Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind) to make room for Return to Ravnica... the "Deity of Dragons" (name of the deck) will never be the same: - enter Utvara Hellkite. I won't go on tripping over the WONDROUS plays this deck has had... I'll just say: THAT release, coupled with the unleashing of Kokusho, the Evening Star... have made things pretty silly around here.
does any one care to know the dirtiest combo with scion? that with 4 mana, you scion and one of 3 cards in your hand you can instantly win? i find this sort of think distaste full but at the same time if you have douche friends who insult dragon as a tribal, or you , is necessary?
anonymous1burger
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
One way to do a Teneb trick is to pay 2, sending an enormous monster Dragon to the graveyard, then pay another 2 to turn him into Teneb. Requires 7 mana including the 3 activation, but you get any dragon onto the field.
Missile_Penguin
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
Each Time Spiral card was an homage to at least one previously printed card.
The Ur-Dragon is the name for the collective spirit of all dragonkind. This card represents a living embodiment, or avatar, of that god-dragon collective.
Xyran
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How about this?
Don't bring Teneb back when you turn Scion into Teneb. Instead, dump a powerful dragon in the graveyard first, then dump Bladewing the Risen, and when it comes back to your turn dump Teneb. Attack with Teneb and activate his ability to bring back Bladewing, and use Bladewing to bring back that first dragon you dumped. Boom, three dragons out of nowhere. Once you get Conspiracy, and Deadeye Navigator you can start really dumping some dragons. Soulbond Deadeye to Bladewing to start popping dragons from the graveyard to play for two mana each, with Scion and Conspiracy out you can put every creature from your deck into play in a few turns. (Four mana to play any creature from my library? ftw)
IamjustnotCreative
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
If I target it with Artificial Evolution and change dragon to, say elf, could I make him into an instant that's also a permanent (Gilt-Leaf Ambush)
GrimjawxRULES
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@IamjustnotCreative: The original wording may say "Dragon card", but the errata clarifies that you may only search your library for a Dragon permanent card, meaning you can't turn Scion into a Crib Swap that somehow bends the rules and remains on the battlefield as a permanent.
My biggest problem with using this thing as a commander is that almost every other player at the table will want to either kill it or somehow Mind Control it. Luckily I've found that Chameleon Colossus and Mirror Entity is able to provide at least some form of protection. The Colossus can protect against most removal and some mind control effects, and if everything else fails, the Mirror Entity can kill your things by making them 0/0 as a last-ditch effort to preventing an opponent from stealing your stuff. I'd really love a Dragon with shroud though - Quicksilver Dragon is sadly the only thing that comes near that.
Monkeypantsa
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Step 1: Artificial Evolution. Change Dragon to Hippo. Step 2: Search for Phelddagrif with Ur-Dragon's ability. Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit
WolfWhoWalks
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Undeniably the most Spike of all my Commanders. I adore this card, plain and simple.
@ syrazemyla: Moltensteel Dragon is a one-hit kill on its own, provided you pay enough life. I use Moltensteel as a secondary one-hitter, and rely primarily on Dragon Tyrant.
psychichobo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Most people tend to have some sort of potential answer to one-hit kills when he arises. Avoid that trap of spending life or wasting Dragon Tyrant early.
Instead, chuck a Nicol Bolas at them! Rip their hand apart. They won't like THAT in EDH.
Totema
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Here's to hoping that we someday get a Tribal Enchantment - Dragon.
Long story short, pack some reanimator if you make a deck with Scion of the Ur-Dragon. You won't regret it.
Continue
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Great in tandem with Immortal Servitude to bring your dragons back, as most of the relevant ones cost exactly 6 mana.
Kadaver666
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Let's say I turn scion here into teneb, and then use tenebs ability to bring scion back and upon teneb entering the battlefield I cloud shift scion in response can I even do that or will scion still go kaplooie when teneb hits the battlefield whether I flicker or not?
Kirbster
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I realize that Sneak Attack is too good, but making it all five colours and more vulnerable to destruction is not the answer. I would really rather have Sneak Attack. Like, really really.
Majora_13
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Kadaver666: I assume you mean using teneb's ability to bring teneb back. Otherwise your question doesn't make sense. But yeah, if tenebs ability is on the stack and you flicker the scion somehow, it re-enters as the scion and teneb enters the battlefield.
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@42IsTheAnswer To get around that legend problem, couldn't you:
turn 5: drop Scion
turn 6: Pay 2, Teneb goes to the graveyard/Scion becomes Teneb
turn 7: Hit for 6, pay three for Teneb's effect, then immediately after pay 2 for scion's ability again & make him a new dragon? Wouldn't his ability resolve first, so by the time Teneb hits, technically, Scion has become whatever other dragon & is thus immune to the legend rule? Since they're both instant speed activated abilities, wouldn't it shake down this way if you did it right?
Of course this is mana-permitting, but I recently helped my brother build himself a wubrg dragon deck & it has very little trouble with mana so I think it'd work out. Also, I realize the steps in turns 5 & 6 described above could be done earlier or in the same turn depending on mana accel or a late game instance, I was just putting it as simply as possible.
When Scion changes into a copy of Teneb (or anything else, for that matter), he doesn't keep his power of transmutation. If you blinked him or something after stacking Scion-Teneb's ability, though, you could have your cake and eat it too, since Scion would turn back into himself upon returning to play, and then when Teneb gets reanimated he won't die from the legend rule.
1.) Scion of Ur-Dragons ability is until end of turn so you can't throw Teneb in the graveyard and then attack as Teneb the next turn.
2.) When Scion of Ur-Dragon copies a dragon he no longer has his own abilities so you can't use his ability when he's Teneb...
It does if you have 2 more mana open.
Scion puts Teneb in the GY, copies him.
Scion attacks and hits. Reanimation ability goes on the stack.
Pay 2 to search out something else. Scion ceases to be Teneb because its copying something else.
Let Reanimation trigger resolve, pay 2B, get actual Teneb back.
Reanimate dragon after dragon, making opponents really, really sad.
You only copy the very last dragon, but you draw a whole bunch of dragons out of your deck into the more easily accessible graveyard.
I'm probably thinking along wrong lines here.
@Etiens
Looking at the card, it states you need to search for a dragon type permanent card (Land, Creature, Artifact, Enchantment, Planeswalker) instants and sorceries are not permanents. He does have the ability to get around championing things though.
@Lege
That's a great idea, I likes me a 2 mana Phyrexian dreadnought with no drawback (among other absurdly large creatures). That or 2 mana graveyard reshuffling with Emrakul, not to mention the Annihilator 6.
@Lord_of_Tresserhorn
First off, love your username, LoT = my favorite General XD. Secondly, yes you may use his ability in response to itself as many times as you have mana to activate it. You'll be able to chuck whatever dragon/changeling permanents you deem fit into the graveyard. Once the abilities resolve, you'll see him glowing funny colors and changing shape until the final one resolves. at which point he'll become the last dragon you sent to the graveyard.
This guy is all kinds of fun, and is especially funny when an opponent attemts to spitting image him. A friend did that to me, and I changed Scion into a dragon whelp to prevent legend rule and screw my friend out of getting his own Scion.
Me: Oh, just EVERY DRAGON EVER.
That's not true. If you casted Sudden Spoiling on Progenitus and then destroyed it it would not have the ability until it was already in the graveyard, in which case it would be too late for the ability to trigger. Same would go for any other card that without targeting that causes a creature to lose all abilities. NA NA, NA NA ,NAAA NAAA
If used with Teneb, stop being a noob and just use his Teneb ability to ressurect something else. Freakin A. You'll get a Broodmate this turn, and attack for lethal next turn.
@Drawnmeomg & Lord of TresserHorn
I'm not sure there's away to use this cards ability twice successfully. If you use it twice right away you'll become the second target first, and then the first will attempt to resolve and you'll no longer be that card. I'm not sure if it's a problem, but either way you can't get Teneb on the field using this ability.
Instead, similarly, you could res Teneb with him (using Teneb's ability), while that ability is on the stack you can Flicker, Sudden Spoiling (yourself), or other effects similar to that and then he'll no longer be the legendary teneb, then teneb will resolve.
A lot of work to make an unnecessary combo, but it can be done.
To put it to all of you simply, you can do anything in magic. Anything.
Winning before being able to play all of my dragons :(
THEN THIS GUY'S FOR YOU!
The situation which is currently being discussed on this forum about Scion and Teneb, the Harvester does not work, nor is there a way to have him hit as Teneb and become something else to reanimate another creature. A better idea is to stack his triggers dumping several creatures in the yard, one of which being Bladewing the Risen, then allowing him to hit as Teneb. You can then reanimate Bladewing with Scion's borrowed Teneb triggered ability, and use Bladewing to reanimate another creature you put into the graveyard. I personally like reanimating Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund shortly after casting a Shields of Velis Vel on my opponent that I searched out using Elvish Harbinger. "Wrath of God? No? GG."
THE DRAGON CAN ****ING TALK.
Most dragons in Magic can. Dragon Mage has a quote. The wedge dragons could talk. Niv-Mizzet can talk, and so can Nicol Bolas.
Its fairly unsurprising, since dragons from D&D can speak as well, also a WOTC product.
I am glad to say that I have gotten some great ideas for modifying my Commander deck in this discussion.
@codeZX- You can't cast Sudden Spoiling on Progenitus because you can't even target him with the spell, so your idea fails. Also, the legend rule triggers before you're able to blink one away, since it doesn't use the stack.
Pay {4} to activate the ability and then activate it again in response. Put away a Grave-Shell Scarab and then a Civilized Scholar, so Scion becomes a Civilized Scholar. Tap it, dredge the Scarab, and discard it, untapping but not transforming the Scion. Repeat until you've milled your entire library. You should have Memory's Journey, Unearth, and Laboratory Maniac in the graveyard. If you have a creature in hand, you can draw two cards, so go ahead and Memory's Journey Unearth, draw it, then get Laboratory Maniac back and win.
This combo is ugly but it does win. Please let me know if you think of a winning combo that takes less than 6 mana and 5 specific cards in the Commander deck. I know that with Unburial Rites, you can win with 8 mana and don't need the Unearth + Journey.
An easier way of doing the Conspiracy combo with labratory maniac is this.
1. Conspiracy on the board.
2. Play leveler ((They won't counter it most likely because it's leveler))
3. In response to the "Exile library" effect, turn your scion into Labratory Maniac.
4. Win.
Also if you have becon of tommorrows in hand, if your scion gets trickbinded, then proceed to take infinte turns.
Activate his copy ability twice, and let the first one resolve, binning Moltensteel Dragon. With the other copy ability still on the stack, pay 12 life to give him +6/+0. Then let the second copy ability activate, turning him into Skithryx, the Blight Dragon. The +6/+0 is unaffected by the copying, so you're hitting for 10 infect damage for the win.
Not "dragon," Dragon.
I think I saw a card that may have been supposed to be the actual Ur-Dragon, of which this is just the Scion of. Anyone think Ramos is a candidate?
Building off the earlier suggestion for Kaalia of the Vast, and assuming you are playing Conspiracy, then there is no reason not to run Rakdos the Defiler, since you can send him after you attack but before he hits to skip the trigger. Then play Yore-Tiller Nephilim to bring Rakdos back from your graveyard attacking.
Towards the Teneb, the Harvester discussion. You could make it work. What you have to do is bounce or kill Scion (for EDH I recommend bouncing it and all other game types killing it) before the ability resolves. By killing scion before the ability resolves the two Tenebs would not be on the board at the same time, so the legend rule would not come into effect.
He's an avatar because he is basically the embodiment of all dragons.
- Best game to date: Turn 6 in a 4-way = Mother of Runes and Shizo, Death's Storehouse in play; 1-shot cannon with Dragon Tyrant / Moltensteel Dragon; lock down next greatest opponent with Yosei, the Morning Star / Dragon Broodmother fetch from a Defense of the Heart popped same turn; and sat there smiling at the 'weakest link', who was Balefire Dragoned the turn before... "So... what was that you said about Heartless Hidetsugu being 'unfair' in EDH?"
Shout out to the A-Town Manglers! Don't worry, he's staying in his cave... for now... 5/5 without equal
This card references the Primevals, a cycle of Legendary dragons from Invasion, which include Darigaaz, the Igniter, Crosis, the Purger, Rith, the Awakener, Dromar, the Banisher and Treva, the Renewer. Their relationship to the Ur-Dragon is mentioned on the attendant cycle (Darigaaz's Attendant, Crosis's Attendant, Rith's Attendant, Dromar's Attendant, Treva's Attendant)
The Ur-Dragon is the name for the collective spirit of all dragonkind. This card represents a living embodiment, or avatar, of that god-dragon collective.
Don't bring Teneb back when you turn Scion into Teneb. Instead, dump a powerful dragon in the graveyard first, then dump Bladewing the Risen, and when it comes back to your turn dump Teneb. Attack with Teneb and activate his ability to bring back Bladewing, and use Bladewing to bring back that first dragon you dumped. Boom, three dragons out of nowhere. Once you get Conspiracy, and Deadeye Navigator you can start really dumping some dragons. Soulbond Deadeye to Bladewing to start popping dragons from the graveyard to play for two mana each, with Scion and Conspiracy out you can put every creature from your deck into play in a few turns. (Four mana to play any creature from my library? ftw)
My biggest problem with using this thing as a commander is that almost every other player at the table will want to either kill it or somehow Mind Control it. Luckily I've found that Chameleon Colossus and Mirror Entity is able to provide at least some form of protection. The Colossus can protect against most removal and some mind control effects, and if everything else fails, the Mirror Entity can kill your things by making them 0/0 as a last-ditch effort to preventing an opponent from stealing your stuff. I'd really love a Dragon with shroud though - Quicksilver Dragon is sadly the only thing that comes near that.
Step 2: Search for Phelddagrif with Ur-Dragon's ability.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit
@ syrazemyla:
Moltensteel Dragon is a one-hit kill on its own, provided you pay enough life. I use Moltensteel as a secondary one-hitter, and rely primarily on Dragon Tyrant.
Instead, chuck a Nicol Bolas at them! Rip their hand apart. They won't like THAT in EDH.
In a dedicated Commander deck, it wouldn't be unreasonable to toss a lot of your Dragons into the graveyard just to bring them all back out with such toys as Debtors' Knell, Immortal Servitude, and Rise of the Dark Realms. Complement those with simpler spells like Beacon of Unrest, Dread Return, and Vigor Mortis. Of course, there's always the tribal option in cards like Bladewing the Risen and Teneb, the Harvester as well.
Long story short, pack some reanimator if you make a deck with Scion of the Ur-Dragon. You won't regret it.
I need to make this edh deck. Suddenly, dragons.