Since you'd be using white, you could use a 'flicker' effect in MP to take other players creatures as well.
GrimGorgonBC
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(4 votes)
I used this against a kid my buddy knows, he used his dragonstorm...he said I was cheating lol.
Iiory
★☆☆☆☆ (1.7/5.0)(3 votes)
for dragon deck it`s just perfect,still with devour it could find it`s place in jund
VerdantForce
★★☆☆☆ (2.2/5.0)(3 votes)
I love this guy. I run a lone copy in my UBR 10 Land Dstorm deck and getting him with four Hellkites can wipe out two players in one turn... So much better in that deck than Rorix.
Nickkom
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0)(5 votes)
an interesting addition to a jund deck sideboard for mirror matches. Turn six, your opponent casts broodmate dragon. Turn seven, you cast Karrthus, take control of his two dragons, and attack for 15 with just your dragons alone. Even a terminate won't get his two broodmates back.
UNBAN_SHAHRAZAD
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(10 votes)
If I'm reading this correctly, you don't lose control of those Dragons when Karrthus dies. That's pretty sick.
Donovan_Fabian
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(7 votes)
The problem with karrthus is the obvious.. it only works on dragons. While every set needs cards that only work on certain things, those same cards are also the least playable. For example, even a card that has protection from 1 color is still only useful with that ability 1/5 of the time (or maybe more depending on how much multi color decks you fight). In this case it's even more unlikely.. how many decks are you going to fight that your opponent just happens to have dragons in play and you have a karrthus waiting in your hand?
Shields of velis vel is a cool combo indeed, except that you need 9 mana to use it on one turn, and that's not very likely. At the same time, if your opponent has 9 mana, there's plenty of reversals that can be played, or a quick day of judgment.
applecorn
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(3 votes)
@Donovan_Fabian You don't need 9 to make the combo. Belbe's Portal allowes it for 4 (3+W). Helps makes any dragon, beast, or giant deck work faster than it should. Even shorter yet is the fabled Elvish Piper (G+W).
psyklone
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(5 votes)
Clone it, then bounce your opponents one before your clone resolves.
Win.
Suddenly their dragon deck becomes your dragon deck, and their best responce is to pay 7 to remove one of your dragons. Lol.
Disruptor
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(5 votes)
People, this card is brilliant!! I don't see anything wrong at ALL, so please explain me what's wrong with this card, EXPLAIN ME!! I mean: 1) Its a 7/7 Flyer with Haste that gives all other dragons Haste for 7 mana. 2) He has green, meaning it's easier to play. 3) So many one turn kill combo potential: Broodmate Dragon with maybe a Doubling season, Dragon Broodmother with maybe Crucible of fire, not to mention Sarkhan Vol. I mean, yes, it's expensive and yes, its narrow focused, but all you have to do its build around it, i mean, you are not going to think Tezzeret is a bad card just because it's artifact focused don't you?
qwert1111
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(4 votes)
I run this card in my ''opponent scoops before you win'' jund deck, and sure, by the time you have 7 mana (exept in my deck, that gives me fast mana) your opponent will probably not be expecting a haster, and they will attack with their flyers and have about 7 life left. GAME. 6/5
lorendorky
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
U run him in a domain deck (5 colors) and he is my main win-con. the key here is that he doesn't require more than one of each of the jund colors whereas hellkite overlord can be much harder to drop when i am trying to get 2 white for wrath of god or something. He's big, he's fast, and he flys. His steal dragons ability is purely a bonus. P.S. use the -2 ability on sarkhan the mad on an opponents creature then drop karrthus.
nibelheim_valesti
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Good win with Sneak Attack and Shields. Bit of a busy deck concept though.
IronDragon
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I was playing a game of EDH today, my friend played Treachery on my Kilnmouth Dragon, and i played Karrthus next turn. Which effect takes precedence? I'm inclined to believe Karrthus would, but the counter argument is equally valid. Was thinking to pick the collective brains of the interwebs on this issue
Eved
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(4 votes)
@Donovan_Fabian
You shouldn't say there is a problem with a card because it has a (useful) conditional ability.
Because there isn't a problem with a cmc 7/7 flying, haste at all.
Flyheight
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@IronDragon In short, because your effect resolved after his, your effect overwrites his effect and you control the Kilnmouth. For a more detailed explanation, if you're curious, read rules section 613.
By the same token, if, after you played Karrthus, your opponent played another control spell on either of your two dragons, they would control that dragon because their new effect is now the most recent.
ultratog1028
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
OH! It doesn't ever give the dragons back!
nice.
awd91
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Dang what a pretty card.... i just cant seem to use this guy to his full potential
divine_exodus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Why is this rated so low? 7 cmc for a 7/7 flying haste? And he takes control of all dragons even after he dies. Wow.
5/5
this is a very good card, but if the enemy kills it and they have Liliana Vess, you are completely screwed. but this is great if the enemy can only fly with other dragons.
Troutz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
For those of us who still play Dragonstorm decks like it's 2006, this guy is a must-have. If your opponent has 21+ life and you can't blow him out with 4x Bogardan Hellkite, the 27 damage that follows during the combat step should end the game.
DysprosiumJudas
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
My favourite thing to do with Karrthus is play him in something that is quite clearly not a dragon deck. I keep him sideboarded, and if I find a dragon lover, this is a surprise faceslap he'll never see coming.
7cmc for a 7/7 flying,haste,gain control of all dragons(sorry Sarkan) and give those dragons haste. This should easily be 5/5 ... the cards text should say "Not everyone controls dragons,...but you do!."
Suppose you're playing Commander, and your opponent has Rith, the Awakener or some other legendary dragon as their commander. Do you still steal it? Oh the insult of being killed by your own commander... That alone makes this guy worth 5 stars!
eskan
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
It's an awesome commander, it kills for commander damage in three turns, and has haste and flying on top of that. His "steal all Dragons" is just icing on the cake and prevents your opponents' dragons from chumping it. Assault Strobe on it makes for a 2HKO!
tropunlim
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
What is the rules logic for the "Other Dragons you control have haste" line on there? It seems as if this card is not in simplest form.
Karrthus has haste. Other Dragons you control have haste. Couldn't this be simplified to say "Dragon creatures you control have haste" since, you know, Karrthus is indeed a dragon?
Villainous1
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(23 votes)
ALL YOUR DRAGONS ARE BELONG TO US. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.
Joseph_Leito
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
@Tolarus
Yes, you would. Commanders don't get any special consideration for things like this. The thing is, being a commander, their dragon would deal commander damage. That damage would actually be separate from the damage dealt by your commander--each commander has a completely separate pool of damage they must deal to a player to kill them.
JFM2796
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This was my first mythic. I was confused by what the red expansion symbol meant, I had to ask around.
Those were the days. I also wondered if Dragons that your opponents played later would be controlled by you. I feel like such an idiot.
kyp48
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
a truly awesome commander. plenty of green spells to build up your manna base then... Death by dragons, followed by reverberate conclude by playing this guy as your commander and hit someone that turn for 40 damage, game over.
TherealphatMatt
★★★★☆ (4.6/5.0)(11 votes)
The way he's sort of half lying down in the art makes him look oddly gangster.
"So, this is Jund, my crib. It's pimped out with dragons. Dragon Broodmother, she's my ***, yo."
DarthParallax
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
Death by Dragons is all well and good, yes. Karrthus is a very nice follow up, to be sure to be sure- but you know what I like doing? Sarkhan the Mad after that. With maybe a Doubling Season. Yep. Definitely a Good Idea :)
chainsmoker
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(2 votes)
OMG! Even Bolas would have to obey....
Okuu-chan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
My EDH deck's commander. That he can get my other dragons to swing before my enemy can get his removal spells out is fantastic. That he can win using commander damage on his own makes him even better.
non1337
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Step1: Cheat this into play using Dragon Arch, Exhume or whatever.
Step2: Play Standardize when his CIP effect trigger.
Step3: ATTACK!
occamsrazorwit
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
I still think Karthus is a bit overpowered. He has the best slow in the game which happens to be AoE and an ultimate that hits all of your opponents like a truck.
Oh sorry, wrong game.
adrian.malacoda
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
"Karrthus has haste; other dragons you control have haste" isn't "Dragons you control have haste." If it were reworded to say "dragons you control have haste" then Karrthus having haste becomes dependent on being a dragon, meaning that an effect that causes him to stop being a dragon means he loses haste. It's a small difference, but it means something.
DragonsRCool
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I'm not sure I can think of something more satisfying than stealing some dragons from an opponent.
TheWrathofShane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You thought you were going to beat me after you used Mind Control and Sleep, didnt you?
Nip_Gwyllion
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0)(3 votes)
Karrthus, press R!
Arachnos
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
More like... Karrthus, the Dragonsinger? *dodges tomato* *gets hit by pineapple*
"Each Dragon you gain control of this way will remain under your control until the game ends, that permanent leaves the battlefield, or some other effect changes its controller."
Sure enough, you keep control of the dragons even if Karrthus leaves the battlefield.
Superllama12
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
He and the praying mantis on Gigantomancer can be photobomb buddies
4wolf359
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@ Tolarus: Yes, it does, and because it's a board-wide effect, not even shroud will save them. My friend ran an insane Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind Commander deck and then this guy made is appearance. Because nothing says friendship like getting your face beaten in by your own Commander.
Karrthus: I am the lord of all dragons!!! now you shall serve me!!! Nicol Bolas: yeah, i dont think so. i use my -2 and gain control of you. Karrthus: yes, master.
TheBossHammer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Hilariously strong in EDH when yanked into the graveyard by Scion of the Ur-Dragon. Start turn with Rise of the Dark Realms or Twilight's Call, flop this guy into the graveyard after the one you picked resolves, then swing with every dragon in your graveyard. If you can mill your library somehow first, then every dragon in your deck. Yank him out of the graveyard if the game is still going on next turn and it gets even better.
Worst case, assuming you can't set anything else up, 2 mana for immunity to "destroy nonblack creature effects" and haste on a 7/7 body. They are a good combo, even if his middle ability doesn't fire off due to his not really entering play.
When playing this guy in EDH, be sure to kill the blue player first - clone effects are a serious bummer with the new legend rule.
CptStormCrow
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I love playing with this guy in EDH. Of course, I don't have a deck with him, but I do run gilded drake in my Melek, Izzet Paragon deck.
Amazing card, but yeah, you really have to hope no-one is running any copy / steal effects or you're done.
CapmCrunch
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
In limited, this reads: "Do you have 7 mana? You win!" Just another mythic that throws off years of responsible design so that new players can herp derp their way to victory.
captainspecial
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Question I was playing a game and had Karrthus and some other dragons in grave my opponent had a sakashima the imposter. I played living death. So who gets the dragons since she copied Karrthus?
Flyinpenguin117
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Pretty crazy and impractical combo, but I want to do this with a Scion of the Ur-Dragon EDH deck:
1) Play Conspiracy, choose creature type Dragon 2) Donate it to whoever has the most cool stuff out 3) Play this guy (either from hand, or reanimated after sending it to the graveyard with Scion) and gain control of their stuff, then kill them with it, getting your Conspiracy back. 4) Snapcaster Mage the Donate, Cloudshift Karrthus, repeat until new friends are necessary.
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Since you'd be using white, you could use a 'flicker' effect in MP to take other players creatures as well.
Shields of velis vel is a cool combo indeed, except that you need 9 mana to use it on one turn, and that's not very likely. At the same time, if your opponent has 9 mana, there's plenty of reversals that can be played, or a quick day of judgment.
You don't need 9 to make the combo. Belbe's Portal allowes it for 4 (3+W). Helps makes any dragon, beast, or giant deck work faster than it should. Even shorter yet is the fabled Elvish Piper (G+W).
Win.
Suddenly their dragon deck becomes your dragon deck, and their best responce is to pay 7 to remove one of your dragons. Lol.
2) He has green, meaning it's easier to play.
3) So many one turn kill combo potential: Broodmate Dragon with maybe a Doubling season, Dragon Broodmother with maybe Crucible of fire, not to mention Sarkhan Vol.
I mean, yes, it's expensive and yes, its narrow focused, but all you have to do its build around it, i mean, you are not going to think Tezzeret is a bad card just because it's artifact focused don't you?
GAME.
6/5
You shouldn't say there is a problem with a card because it has a (useful) conditional ability.
Because there isn't a problem with a
In short, because your effect resolved after his, your effect overwrites his effect and you control the Kilnmouth. For a more detailed explanation, if you're curious, read rules section 613.
By the same token, if, after you played Karrthus, your opponent played another control spell on either of your two dragons, they would control that dragon because their new effect is now the most recent.
nice.
5/5
Kokusho, Kokusho, Bogardan, Bogardan, Karrthus (In two headed giant)
Suppose you're playing Commander, and your opponent has Rith, the Awakener or some other legendary dragon as their commander. Do you still steal it? Oh the insult of being killed by your own commander... That alone makes this guy worth 5 stars!
Karrthus has haste. Other Dragons you control have haste. Couldn't this be simplified to say "Dragon creatures you control have haste" since, you know, Karrthus is indeed a dragon?
Yes, you would. Commanders don't get any special consideration for things like this. The thing is, being a commander, their dragon would deal commander damage. That damage would actually be separate from the damage dealt by your commander--each commander has a completely separate pool of damage they must deal to a player to kill them.
Those were the days. I also wondered if Dragons that your opponents played later would be controlled by you. I feel like such an idiot.
"So, this is Jund, my crib. It's pimped out with dragons. Dragon Broodmother, she's my ***, yo."
Step2: Play Standardize when his CIP effect trigger.
Step3: ATTACK!
Oh sorry, wrong game.
"Each Dragon you gain control of this way will remain under your control until the game ends, that permanent leaves the battlefield, or some other effect changes its controller."
Sure enough, you keep control of the dragons even if Karrthus leaves the battlefield.
Nicol Bolas: yeah, i dont think so. i use my -2 and gain control of you.
Karrthus: yes, master.
Worst case, assuming you can't set anything else up, 2 mana for immunity to "destroy nonblack creature effects" and haste on a 7/7 body. They are a good combo, even if his middle ability doesn't fire off due to his not really entering play.
Even more fun if, somehow, Sarkhan the Mad is on the field.
Amazing card, but yeah, you really have to hope no-one is running any copy / steal effects or you're done.
1) Play Conspiracy, choose creature type Dragon
2) Donate it to whoever has the most cool stuff out
3) Play this guy (either from hand, or reanimated after sending it to the graveyard with Scion) and gain control of their stuff, then kill them with it, getting your Conspiracy back.
4) Snapcaster Mage the Donate, Cloudshift Karrthus, repeat until new friends are necessary.