Turn 1: Seat of Synod, Memnite, Mox Opal, Etherium Sculptor Turn 2: Vault of Whispers, Semblance Anvil (Artifact|Razor Boomerang or whatever you want to imprint) Turn 3: Wurmcoil Engine
StoicChampion
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Gotta love tempo accelerators. Especially artifact and creature accelerators in a block with artifact creatures.
Cyberium
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(3 votes)
This card works with tribal, artifact, and combo deck. Highly versatile.
dudecow
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
If they deal with it you're behind in tempo. If they don't deal with it they lose. Yey for free artifacts under 2 CMC!
Bandswithother
★★☆☆☆ (2.1/5.0)(7 votes)
Just to make things clear; what happens if I exile an artifact creature? Would I:
Have to name one or the other? As in only artifacts or only creatures.
Get the discount for only artifact creatures?
Or get the discount for both artifacts and creatures?
I assume the latter because both share a card type with the exiled card.
henz90
★☆☆☆☆ (1.4/5.0)(8 votes)
This would also work amazing with Planeswalkers :D
CeremonialBathory
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(12 votes)
@Bandswithother - An artifact creature shares a type with both creatures and artifacts. If you exile an artifact creature like a Myr with this card, it will reduce all Artifact costs by andall Creature costs by . So, you're assumption is correct.
faisjdas
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(8 votes)
This is not a good card to run in an aggro deck. This is a combo card, not an aggro card.
Richard_Hawk
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Those Eldrazis just got a whole lot quicker.
Luke_BPC
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
It's card type, not creature type. And it discounts if it shares a type, sharing both don't make it happen twice.
Eternal_Blue
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(5 votes)
this card will break scars in half. i predict it will be banned shortly.
GrimjawxRULES
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Wait ... what? So you're casting all of your regular mana Myr and Origin Spellbombs for free? ... You'll even still be able to cast Myr Galvanizer or Palladium Myr on your 3rd turn provided that you cast a regular mana Myr on your 2nd turn ? idk seems a bit bonkers to me. Also I find the flavor text amusing :)
sarroth
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(5 votes)
I guess a ruling will have to be made for this card, because I read it as only lowering a cost by {2} no matter how manner types the spell shares with the imprinted card. Otherwise I'd expect it to read "spells you cast cost {2} less to cast for each type it shares with the exiled card" and not have flavor text to make up for the extra wordiness.
Guest553195174
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
It never reduces a cost by more than 2. For it to reduce, say an artifact creature by 4 if you had imprinted an artifact creature, it would need to say "for each type" at the end.
Daikoru
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Agreed. The most it can reduce is {2}. The condition to have its cost reduced is that it "shares a type". So, unless it was two different abilities (like Grand Arbiter Augustin IV ) or that it said "for each card type", the condition is either true or false, and thus applies 0 or 1 time.
Another thing is that it checks "card types", not "subtypes" or "creature types" and such. So, if you exile, let's say, a Goblin Creature, a Tribal Enchantment of the same creature type will not have its cost reduced. It's the same thing as Tarmogoyf.
Nonetheless, it's still quite good. Pay 3 mana and exile a card from your hand that you might not need (situationnal card, or a card that is only useful to have once), save over 10 mana later. Usually, cost reduced is either limited to its color or its creature type, but with a card like that, it doesn't matter if the two creatures are totally different. In an enchantment + creature deck, imprinting a Lucent Liminid would be a great choice.
signok79
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
i like this one in a red burn deck inprint sorcery and rolling terrain and melt terrain are cheap. With Koth in the deck, oh my the new red deck wins
Ztoph
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(1 vote)
I wonder if this changes the cmc of the cards, or just the cost? Would it be possible to use Trinket Mage to fetch up to 3cmc artifacts, as long as Semblance Anvil has imprinted an artifact card?
Gesepp
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(4 votes)
It's just like the Bannerets, people (brighthearth Banneret): this reduces a card with both types by :2:, not :4:.
Your assumption is wrong. It can only be for one or the other. Stonybrook Banneret is a fantastic example because it does the exact same thing for wizards and merfolk. who is updating the rulings sucks balls.
darkerthought7
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Ztoph: No, because the card specifies that the spell in question is "cast." This doesn't affect the CMC.
This card is fairly amazing. Mana myr made free by imprinting any artifact OR creature? I'm in. Plus, reducing the cost of any spell is a good thing. Mix this with Lodestone Golem and you've got one VERY annoyed opponent.
Gavrilo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You've just spent and lost two cards to do nothing. And unless you've got gods hand or foolproof combo, future ain't too bright...
one of these can make mana myrs like lands w/ summoning sickness, two can make a free lodestone and 3 of these can give you a big metal wurm... problem is if it was destroyed... does this mean you lose 1-4 cards per round?
boneclub
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
It's Dragonspeaker Shaman... for everything!
BegleOne
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card is card advantage suicide. I picked it late in a booster draft, after I had a deck very heavy with expensive artifacts and artifact creatures, including a Mindslaver, Darksteel Sentinel and two Argentum Armors. I only had three mana myr, so I figured this anvil would help accelerate me into the big stuff.
Nope, it was an albatross every time I drew it. I can't imagine any limited deck ever using benefiting from this, at least not in this block. After it cost me a match I swapped it and the Sentinel out for two Soul Parry's and finished in the money; I might've won had I not tried to use the anvil.
MasterBlaster74
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@EVERYBODY
Here is the official errata on this card from the MTG Scars of Mirrodin FAQ...
Spells you cast that share multiple card types with the exiled card still cost just {2} less to cast. They don't get a greater cost reduction.
no way is the Myr Battlesphere ever going to cost only {1}, lol.
HOWEVER!!!
if you imprint an Artifact Creature, your creature spells, artifact spells, and artifact creature spells all cost {2} less.
Shiresan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I'm surprised only one person has commented on the implications this card has for the Rise of the Edrazi set. Exile any weak, run of the mill creature and there you go: your Eldrazi are now all 2 mana cheaper to cast. And let's not talk multiple Anvils...
to the person saying its not good in an aggro deck, I would disagree, this is pretty much good in almost any deck unless you went out of your way to make a deck crap with this card.
I think it would be cool with tribal, although I'm not sure how much application you would get from that. unless you used changling tribal cards and tribal artifact equipment for near free tribal cards, maybe throw in overbeing of myth as well. but im sure there are way better applications then that
iondragonx
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Leaves you vulnerable, but good for combos.
mindguru
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card's value is extremely underrated. Turn 3, and you can pretty much drop your had in a Myr tribal deck. With a deck that has some card draw integrated, the loss of card advantage shouldn't even be a problem. I have seen this card do some crazy things. 5/5
SolidSoldier
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Just to clarify, this will only work on card types, not creature types or anything of the sort. So any artifact, creature, enchantment, sorcery, instant, legendary, planeswalker, snow, tribal, etc.
I like the idea of potentially making cheap artifacts and artifact creatures 0 to cast. Overpowered? Not at all. Overbalanced? Maybe, lol. It's a decent card at best, imo. 3.5/5
emmori
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I love this card. I replaced my Urza's Incubators with these and never looked back.
Rumblin-Slumm
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How about using it with Yawgmoth's Will? Yawg's Will is pretty much game anyways, bu if you choose sorcery, Yawg's Will costs a measly !
Razbot
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Gomorrah Because you can only use Everflowing chalice once per turn? Semblance Anvil a sorcery, blast off 1 mana act of treasons, 3 mana Time Reversal, rinse/repeat?
Gomorrah
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0)(7 votes)
Why not just use Everflowing Chalice? For just 1 more mana, it works for every single card type, abilities, can be cast to reduce the cost more, and doesn't suffer from probable card disadvantage.
@Razbot- but the thing is, chalice works on all types of cards, not just sorceries or creatures or whatever. Chalice is a much better card realistically because it's more flexible, not prone to having to make only certain spells cost less. I mean, if you have 3 Time Warps in your hand, sure the anvil is amazing. But if I have a Naturalize in my hand, it means I just 2 for 1'ed you.
So, using this and exiling any artifact creature can really power up a tribal deck. Tribal equipment will cost {2} less, and all of your creatures will cost {2} less. Amazing for extended.
SeiberTross
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I super love the idea I read in the one column of using this to power through a deck loaded with 2 cost draw a card artifacts. See Prophetic Prism, Ichor Wellspring. Giving a ton of artifacts for a Time Sieve, or something like a Darksteel Juggernaut
I thought this would be a game changer in general with my artifact decks, but too often it ends up in hand with artifacts that I would not want to take out of the game. Or worse, ends up getting bounced destroyed leading to its removal as well as the exiled card. In the end I would of just rather tried to play the card itself.
Somewhere I find this more curious is in a well balanced control deck with a lot of enchantments. Exiling an enchantment like Pacifism can seem unassuming enough. However when you get to play a Drake Umbraor Mind Control in the same turn, your opponent may question their decision.
Atali
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(4 votes)
The reason to use this over Everflowing Chalice, and the reason that this is better than an Everflowing Chalice for 4 is: this REDUCES THE COST of ALL spells you cast of the imprinted type(s). You can cast 2 mana or less artifacts for free, if you cast only one spell of the type, you may as well have just used the chalice, if you cast two, your mana savings is 100% more than using the chalice, if you cast three its 200% more. If all I wanted was two extra mana, I'd play Palladium Myr, but if I want to play a large number of spells in one turn, the Anvil is vastly superior.
ROBRAM89
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Imprint a mana myr and not only are the rest free, every artifact AND every creature you play is now dirt cheap.
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
this card, or a card like it, was inevitable. A super-bombtastic exciting ability on an Imprint card, that finally finds the weak spot of Imprint but is still just so cool that people will still try to break it.
Then they get 2-for-1'd when someone Shatters it. This perfectly balances risk and reward like no other Imprint card. The ones you see people playing in the big games are heavy loaded with rewards that neutralize the risk. In the end, its mana ramp. But it costs 3 mana and a card to activate. And it doesn't scale unless you spend more cards. Mana ramp has so much faster. No, the Chalice isnt as 'good', but its safer. Spending a card on mana ramp better give you at least a Mox Diamond.
This isn't for straight-up combo. This is for 'Im top decking this *** combo I made up out of nowhere because Im screwed if I dont'. Its too fragile for aggro-combo, and control-combo has better options.
If you think the Heart of the Cards will guide you, by all means play this. I hope you DO get the dream draw and pull off something sweet because those are epic when they happen.
RowanKeltizar
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Exile an Ornithopter for a Steel Hellkite costing 2.
Ryeran
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@RowanKeltizar This doesn't work. You'd have to play a second Semblance Anvil, exiling another artifact creature, to get an additional 2 reduction on your artifact creatures. It says in the rulings that the reduction doesn't stack because of multiple type matches.
As for a second copy of Semblance Anvil with an exiled with another Ornithopter reducing your artifact creature costs by 4. It seems overpowerd, but I don't see why not. The rulings don't mention this scenario.
Just1Micky
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Use in an artifact deck, exile a cheap, relatively weak artifact creature like Memnite, then stash something like Candles Of Leng in for all the extra mana you have.
Boday1
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
So, if I'm understanding the rules for this card correctly, and I think I am I've read them several dozen times, this turns Everflowing Chalice into a colorless MOX. Being that it includes the costs of such things as kickers and "x" costs, you play the Everflowing Chalice kicked once, which would amount to a cost of , so because of the effect of Everflowing Chalice it becomes ... Am I seeing this right? I believe I am.
GeronimoMartinez
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
this can effectively lower cmc. how is this not rated any higher?? a good combo player can make sick use of this
Astronauts
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Playing this in a myr deck is completely hilarious. What's that? Dumb my whole hand for free? Don't mind if I do.
kashonismw
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card is Myr Superion's buddy :)
MyrBattlecube
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(2 votes)
So I was just thinking. Make a Planeswalker heavy deck with four of these and four copies of Praetor's Grasp. Use the Grasp to snag one of their Planeswalkers, imprint it onto the Anvil, and bust out Mind Sculptor for UU, or Ajani for WW, or whatever. Terribly ineffective, but the thought of Planeswalkers costing significantly less is a bit funny to me.
SarpNasty
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I played 3 of these on turn 4 once, Spine of Ish Sah is hilarious for one mana.
@MyrBattlecube
That wouldn't work because Praetor's Grasp doesn't put the card in your hand. This card explicit states "exile a nonland card from your hand."
endersblade
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(3 votes)
@ CeremonialBathory, some clarification: It does reduce ALL Artifact AND all Creature spells by 2, but it does not reduce all Artifact Creatures by 4. As is clearly stated in the rules, it can only affect one type.
This card can get pretty ridiculous. Reduces the cost of Corpse Cur or Core Prowler to two if you exile an artifact creature. Free infect artifacts? My heart is swimming.
*Edit had to fix the cost. It says in the rulings section it cannot be reduced more than two.
Tjokkie
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Hello? Hello?
Xenograft is calling to say he actually found something to combo with in the block..
well i think at least that these two cards could be pretty friendly with one another.
ZestuXIII
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
@GeronimoMartinez: This does not affect CMC, thats a characteristic of the card. It only affects how much how much you have to pay for that card. So even if I have this out, my opponent still couldn't Smother my creature with CMC 4, even if I only paid . And as far as the Everflowing Chalice debate goes, use both. Kicker is part of the casting costs (as an additional but optional cost), which means if you choose to pay the Multikicker, that becomes part of its cost to cast the spell (making its casting cost ). Semblance Anvil clearly states it costs less to cast, so you get the first kicker free.
Mode
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This has so many great uses, but another part i like and which wasn't mentioned yet is that it can also reduce the casting cost of your Morphs to . So it might also be fun with or even instead of Dream Chisel. Add some flicker effects to get your big winged dudes and dudettes like Akroma, Angel of Fury, Exalted Angel, Quicksilver Dragon and Maelstrom Djinn for a cheap amount. The djinn also works and even has a synergy with flicker if you turned him face up normally. If you flicker Brine Elemental, you can start soft lock shenanigans with Vesuvan Shapeshifter. Gathan Raiders also seems pretty cool as a potential 5/5 for if you have hellbent (which, might be the case since you also had to pitch something for the Anvil).
Magic-Master
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(8 votes)
Myr Superion: Not too hard to pay {0} with mana generated by creatures!
lestarredhawk
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
if memnite is exiled to it dose that mean artifacts and creatures costs 2 less?
tantallum99
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
who likes playing free/dirt cheap colorless spells? everybody!
axiobeta
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(2 votes)
If this costed it wouldn't be so meh. As it is, all it seems to be forged from is card disadvantage :\
Hydr0
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
It would take at least two land cards to make up the virtual mana this is giving you. The only way you suffer any card disadvantage is if someone removes it.
kor6sic6
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(5 votes)
If I've got two of these on the field, both exiling one type, that reduces costs by 4, correct?
Tempted_Johnny
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(1 vote)
The first thing this card gives you is card disadvantage, which is BAD. Also, while this is a great potential combo piece, it's alway going to be Part 1 (and maybe Part 2, depending on what you're trying to pull off) of the combo, and at 3 CMC, it seems like a dangerous card to rely on. What do you do if it's not in your opening hand or first couple draws?
Update: Now that we have Flashback as a mechanic again, this card isn't as bad as it was, since Flashback casts the spell. I'm not saying the card is good now, but the card disadvantage it gives you hurts less if you use it properly.
JARYISM
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I've always wanted to try 'Instant' with this card, to prevent getting disenchanted and 2 for 1'd in response.
If you could make a storm deck with Brainfreeze, It'd be hilarious to just cantrip off it using stuff like Cunning Wish, Thirst for Knowledge, Stroke of Genius + Seething Song, Meditate, Simian Spirit Guide and maybe Manamorphose for mana fixing. I'm thinking cycle lands could be used too to get rid of mana clumping. The great thing is you could go off on their turn too, wait till they try to destroy it and FoW into the combo Lol. It's bad, but would be hilarious ^^
Works well with an Angel Bash sort of deck.. T1 : Elixir of Immortality 0r Elite Vanguard. T1 : Grand Abolisher. T3: Semblance Anvil. T4: Victory's Herald OR Aegis Angel OR Serra Angel. T5: Angelic Destiny. T6: play w.e the *** you want to just destroy them.. Oblivion ring, celestial purge, etc etc, cost 1 mana.
Kirasword001
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Semblance Anvil, does all types and not just type, and example is Tribal Sorcery - Goblin, all Tribal spells cost 2 less, as well as Sorcery spells, and Goblin spells.
Kryptnyt
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@Kirasword001 Goblin is a creature type, and not a card type. So your goblin creature spells will not be discounted.
This card is alright. Makes for some nice redundancy in a Heartless Summoning deck that needs it.
Goblinomancer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
What happens with Conflagrate ... i mena it have XX... if i choose 3 as X... Anvil reduces 2 to each X then i have to pay {1}{1}R? or I have to pay {3}{3}R then Anvil reduces 2 so i pay {1}{3}?
Behler
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card should be reworded. It is ruled to say 'Card Type' even though it reads as 'Card' Type. Which would mean, according to the English language, any 'Card' type. That means you have to ask what are the card types that it can affect? Well there is the 'super' type, the 'card' type and the 'sub' type
MrRamalot
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
So I was wondering if i had this out with a creature imprinted and I cast bloodbraid elf for , would i be able to cascade into something with a CMC of 5 such as sensor splicer ?
Klmall
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
My question on this card does it also count the spells cast from an artifact card. So contagion engine would it cost 2 or 4 to proliferate?
Ferlord
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I'm also pretty sure that if you exiled an Artifact Creature, Artifacts would cost less and Creatures would cost less.
I mean, they'd share a card type with it, and those cards have two types. If there were an Enchantment Creature, both would cost less.
If you were to play another artifact creature, it wouldn't cost less, though.
Continue
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Ferlord: If there were an Enchantment Creature? You mean like Lucent Liminid?
nod1409
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Kimall - The effect from cards like Contagion Engine are abilities not spells so Semblance Anvil would not change the activation cost for the Proliferate ability or any other activated abilities.
Idiosyncronizer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Is it possible to remove the exiled card out from under the Semblance Anvil such as a Misthollow Griffin or any card with flashback using Runic Repetition and still retain the reduced casting cost with the associated types? I received a ruling from a L1 judge but for the sake of verification I was wondering if this works as such or if the card MUST remain exiled to the Anvil.
NARFNra
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Idiosyncronizer
I believe the ruling goes that, should the card no longer be exiled, the anvil no longer has an exiled card to imprint off of, and thus there is no effect.
Cygore
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This completely overpowers Myr's. ...and I love that.
Megadog
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I must admit, the idea of an anvil made of planeswalkers makes me laugh...
blurrymadness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
To those comparing with Chalice; let me point out three things: -This is card disadvantage -Chalice uses charge counters (energy chamber comes to mind) -Chalice produces mana => abilities
What this means is that they build very different decks. Chalice supports huge abilities and doesn't cost you anything but mana (and sometimes not even that!) This encourages a faster deck as you're going straight for card disadvantage to increase speed.
They both can drop fast guys, but one will probably have big spendy abilities and/or manipulate counters, the other will likely support Comes into Play effects or straight beaters.
Majikthise
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Any of the Gods (Purphoros, God of the Forge, ect.) from Theros block grant you a discount on Legendary, Enchantment and Creature cards all at the same time. Any of the God weapons (Hammer of Purphoros, Bow of Nylea) grant you Legendary, Enchantment and Artifact. Makes that Anvil put in work in EDH.
Comments (84)
Turn 1: Seat of Synod, Memnite, Mox Opal, Etherium Sculptor
Turn 2: Vault of Whispers, Semblance Anvil (Artifact|Razor Boomerang or whatever you want to imprint)
Turn 3: Wurmcoil Engine
Would I:
Have to name one or the other? As in only artifacts or only creatures.
Get the discount for only artifact creatures?
Or get the discount for both artifacts and creatures?
I assume the latter because both share a card type with the exiled card.
Also I find the flavor text amusing :)
Another thing is that it checks "card types", not "subtypes" or "creature types" and such. So, if you exile, let's say, a Goblin Creature, a Tribal Enchantment of the same creature type will not have its cost reduced. It's the same thing as Tarmogoyf.
Nonetheless, it's still quite good. Pay 3 mana and exile a card from your hand that you might not need (situationnal card, or a card that is only useful to have once), save over 10 mana later. Usually, cost reduced is either limited to its color or its creature type, but with a card like that, it doesn't matter if the two creatures are totally different. In an enchantment + creature deck, imprinting a Lucent Liminid would be a great choice.
Your assumption is wrong. It can only be for one or the other. Stonybrook Banneret is a fantastic example because it does the exact same thing for wizards and merfolk. who is updating the rulings sucks balls.
This card is fairly amazing. Mana myr made free by imprinting any artifact OR creature? I'm in. Plus, reducing the cost of any spell is a good thing. Mix this with Lodestone Golem and you've got one VERY annoyed opponent.
Well, imprint probably isn't my thing.
Nope, it was an albatross every time I drew it. I can't imagine any limited deck ever using benefiting from this, at least not in this block. After it cost me a match I swapped it and the Sentinel out for two Soul Parry's and finished in the money; I might've won had I not tried to use the anvil.
Here is the official errata on this card from the MTG Scars of Mirrodin FAQ...
Spells you cast that share multiple card types with the exiled card still cost just {2} less to cast. They don't get a greater cost reduction.
no way is the Myr Battlesphere ever going to cost only {1}, lol.
HOWEVER!!!
if you imprint an Artifact Creature, your creature spells, artifact spells, and artifact creature spells all cost {2} less.
I think it would be cool with tribal, although I'm not sure how much application you would get from that. unless you used changling tribal cards and tribal artifact equipment for near free tribal cards, maybe throw in overbeing of myth as well. but im sure there are way better applications then that
I like the idea of potentially making cheap artifacts and artifact creatures 0 to cast. Overpowered? Not at all. Overbalanced? Maybe, lol. It's a decent card at best, imo. 3.5/5
@Razbot- but the thing is, chalice works on all types of cards, not just sorceries or creatures or whatever. Chalice is a much better card realistically because it's more flexible, not prone to having to make only certain spells cost less. I mean, if you have 3 Time Warps in your hand, sure the anvil is amazing. But if I have a Naturalize in my hand, it means I just 2 for 1'ed you.
I thought this would be a game changer in general with my artifact decks, but too often it ends up in hand with artifacts that I would not want to take out of the game. Or worse, ends up getting bounced destroyed leading to its removal as well as the exiled card. In the end I would of just rather tried to play the card itself.
Somewhere I find this more curious is in a well balanced control deck with a lot of enchantments. Exiling an enchantment like Pacifism can seem unassuming enough. However when you get to play a Drake Umbraor Mind Control in the same turn, your opponent may question their decision.
Then they get 2-for-1'd when someone Shatters it. This perfectly balances risk and reward like no other Imprint card. The ones you see people playing in the big games are heavy loaded with rewards that neutralize the risk. In the end, its mana ramp. But it costs 3 mana and a card to activate. And it doesn't scale unless you spend more cards. Mana ramp has so much faster. No, the Chalice isnt as 'good', but its safer. Spending a card on mana ramp better give you at least a Mox Diamond.
This isn't for straight-up combo. This is for 'Im top decking this *** combo I made up out of nowhere because Im screwed if I dont'. Its too fragile for aggro-combo, and control-combo has better options.
If you think the Heart of the Cards will guide you, by all means play this. I hope you DO get the dream draw and pull off something sweet because those are epic when they happen.
As for a second copy of Semblance Anvil with an exiled with another Ornithopter reducing your artifact creature costs by 4. It seems overpowerd, but I don't see why not. The rulings don't mention this scenario.
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That wouldn't work because Praetor's Grasp doesn't put the card in your hand. This card explicit states "exile a nonland card from your hand."
This card is basically Mana Matrix, Planar Gate, and a better version of Stone Calendar for only 3 mana.
*Edit had to fix the cost. It says in the rulings section it cannot be reduced more than two.
Xenograft is calling to say he actually found something to combo with in the block..
well i think at least that these two cards could be pretty friendly with one another.
And as far as the Everflowing Chalice debate goes, use both. Kicker is part of the casting costs (as an additional but optional cost), which means if you choose to pay the Multikicker, that becomes part of its cost to cast the spell (making its casting cost
So it might also be fun with or even instead of Dream Chisel.
Add some flicker effects to get your big winged dudes and dudettes like Akroma, Angel of Fury, Exalted Angel, Quicksilver Dragon and Maelstrom Djinn for a cheap amount. The djinn also works and even has a synergy with flicker if you turned him face up normally.
If you flicker Brine Elemental, you can start soft lock shenanigans with Vesuvan Shapeshifter.
Gathan Raiders also seems pretty cool as a potential 5/5 for
Not too hard to pay {0} with mana generated by creatures!
As it is, all it seems to be forged from is card disadvantage :\
Update: Now that we have Flashback as a mechanic again, this card isn't as bad as it was, since Flashback casts the spell. I'm not saying the card is good now, but the card disadvantage it gives you hurts less if you use it properly.
If you could make a storm deck with Brainfreeze, It'd be hilarious to just cantrip off it using stuff like Cunning Wish, Thirst for Knowledge, Stroke of Genius + Seething Song, Meditate, Simian Spirit Guide and maybe Manamorphose for mana fixing. I'm thinking cycle lands could be used too to get rid of mana clumping. The great thing is you could go off on their turn too, wait till they try to destroy it and FoW into the combo Lol. It's bad, but would be hilarious ^^
"Shimmer Myr. Semblance Anvil. Four Myr Superions."
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No, this isn't practical. But can you imagine?
Goblin is a creature type, and not a card type. So your goblin creature spells will not be discounted.
This card is alright. Makes for some nice redundancy in a Heartless Summoning deck that needs it.
I mean, they'd share a card type with it, and those cards have two types. If there were an Enchantment Creature, both would cost less.
If you were to play another artifact creature, it wouldn't cost
I believe the ruling goes that, should the card no longer be exiled, the anvil no longer has an exiled card to imprint off of, and thus there is no effect.
-This is card disadvantage
-Chalice uses charge counters (energy chamber comes to mind)
-Chalice produces mana => abilities
What this means is that they build very different decks. Chalice supports huge abilities and doesn't cost you anything but mana (and sometimes not even that!) This encourages a faster deck as you're going straight for card disadvantage to increase speed.
They both can drop fast guys, but one will probably have big spendy abilities and/or manipulate counters, the other will likely support Comes into Play effects or straight beaters.