So you can play this out for , then on your next turn pay and pump out a big fatty?
asmallcat
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(8 votes)
Assuming the piper is still around, yes. Protip: Any removal your opponent has is gonna hit this guy in the face as soon as he hits the table.
Schlappi
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
GOD, that's powerful...I'm thinkin' Autochthon Wurm or somethin'...^^
Rainyday2012
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(7 votes)
Rather mediocre, anything kills it. Most of the time Dramatic Entrance does the job better. Cute picture though. :)
Osmodius
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Use this to bring out Progenitus!
Zarcron
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(10 votes)
With Thousand-Year Elixir in play you can activate its ability on the turn it comes out. And if you have an extra you can use it again to get a second creature.
gotsanity
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
can we say darksteel collosus
CheloniaMania
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
can we use the ability in between declare attackers and declare blockers to summon a surprise blocker?
SachielOne
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(6 votes)
Very useful if you can keep it alive. Get this and a high-cost heavy damage dealer with trample early in the game (hello, Darksteel Colossus), and you can end the game in 2-3 turns.
Donovan_Fabian
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(7 votes)
To be fair, a simple mana producing creature almost does the same thing. You can have 6 mana on turn 3 with any mana creature that produces 2 or more mana, like bloom tender. The only difference with elvish piper is you might reserve a bit more mana to use for something else. It's nice to think hey I'll stack my deck with super huge creatures and pop them out for 1 mana a piece, but what if you don't draw your elvish piper and your looking down at a hand of unplayable cards. So, in essence its actually really impractical. Without some way of keeping her in play or protecting her a lot, shes going to die in a second flat. On the other hand, you could have some fun building a deck around her, with 4 x elvish piper, and 4 x progenitus, freed from the real, and vines of the vast wood to make sure she doesn't die. Add in a tutor card to make sure you get your progentius or elvish piper, and your set to go. Just don't expect to win all your games that way.
brockdjwest
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
shroud this baby and start bringing out your big guys
kittyspit
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(2 votes)
btw, did i happen to mention how EPICLY CHEAP this card is when you DON'T happen to have removal on hand and your getting bounced all over the field by 10/10s?? i hate green so much
ChuckMickey
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(3 votes)
wish is was harder to kill, but amazing ability.
JaxsonBateman
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(3 votes)
What's funny is that with the right draw, some of the fast aggro decks in the meta at the moment can win in 3 to 4 turns without needing to get big fatties out. Elvish Piper wouldn't even be able to get a fatty out until turn 4, and that's with other mana accel in the deck and assuming she doesn't get removed straight away.
In limited though I could imagine this being a big win condition.
AbyssalManZero
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(2 votes)
... I find it funny how there are people who can only take notice of a card's weakness, opposed to it's strengths... Being realistic is one thing, but by pointing out the weaknesses you are very much pointing out the ovious. But WHATEVA.....
I love this card, got a set for my scarecrow deck. I think it's rediculous they reprinted this AND Darksteel in the SAME set lol. Perfect for a scarecrow deck, uses all five colors so helps me with the few non scarecrows that require colors (like my 2 Shavan Dragons for fun) or aln insane amount of mana (aka set of Darksteel).
Booly
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(3 votes)
I put 4 of these with 4 llanowar elves and birds of paradise in my deck... If the luck of the draw is there she is out at turn 2. Which means by turn 3 I am placing down Ioana, shield of wrath and/or Darksteel Colossus. (granted they too are in my hand.)
I have won by turn 5.
So far I have won 5 out of the 6 games I played using my Colossus Piper deck. Could it be a tournament first placer? Probably not...Sure as hell kicks the crap outta my friend's decks though.
Sharunodal
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
The ability is overpowered, but the cost is right and it's very easy to kill/destroy with pretty much anything. I think this card is well balanced and deserves 5 stars.
Auteur
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(5 votes)
This might be one of the only creatures ever for which "dies to removal" is actually a severe and limiting handicap.
Edrocks006
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card is amazing!!! Question: Does it get the creatures into like flash? (can you use its effect on your opponent's turn?)
EvilCleavage
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How about getting progenitus out with this. Mmmmm
Zulp
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I'm thinking Emrakul.
robinhood15
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Can you imagine a blue/green deck with Master Transmuter and Elvish Piper? One of them is sure to get your fatty into the game successfully, no matter how much removal is coming your way. Go blonde babes!
SnakeThing
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn - 15/15 flyer, annihilator 6, prot for colored spells and another turn on turn 5 or sooner !
Styny
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
@Snakething: Emrakul only gives you the extra turn if you CAST it, now when it enters the battlefield.
@AbyssalManZero: Are you seriously running a scarecrow deck?
sarroth
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(7 votes)
@Edrocks006: Yes, you can use this to get your creatures into play on your opponent's turn, assuming Elvish Piper has been in play under your control for a full turn or you gave her haste, and you have the G to spend to play your creature.
I love Elvish Piper. Great ability, but far from unstoppable, so it's far from overpowered. Plus the picture is sweet. Definitely glad Emrakul can't grant that extra turn with her.
storm_crow4presidnt
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
definately good but ive always liked sneak attack better
mlanier131
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0)(5 votes)
I just realized that this card isnt completely screwed to removal as you can tap it on the stack if they try to kill it, therefore you must kill in response to it tapping.
The sure way to make your friends stop playing magic cards, when you play progenitus for G.
Juggulator
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(3 votes)
@ Gezus82
Tell me how you could possibly use this card to get a 2'd turn krosan cloudscraper. Love to hear that.
auron01
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
to play elvish piper you need canopy cover in your deck too. sweet card if you can get them both out at the same time. that changes the game right there. i suggest running a green and eldrazzi deck. testing it out now and already winning alot.
fbninja
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(3 votes)
I want to make a deck with 4 piper's, mana excelleration like lanowar elves and a bunch or eldrazi. That would be CRAZINESS.
Crab Umbra was practically made for this gal. The aura's abilities fits perfectly to her. The Umbra let her untap as many times as you want, as long as you have the mana, letting her not only get Progenitus onto the table, but also a Pathrazer of Ulamog and Mossbridge Troll, all for the cheap price of (4)(U)(U)(G)(G)(G), which is less than the converted mana cost for only Progenitus! And she can do this safe in the knowledge that the horseshoe totem will protect her from any Terminates that may come her way.
sancrosact
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
And another common mistake with this card is playing it in a mana-accel, aggro mono green deck. In terms of 4 drops, you want to be playing a blastoderm or vengevine, not this somewhat clunky creature caster. Take advantage of the fact that the piper can help play devastating non-green cards with its ability. This thing is not for aggro, as it wastes a valuable mid-game turn.
ChampionofSquee
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
idk why anyone voted this card under 5/5 the piper is one of the greatest cards and for anyone who thinks it can be removed easily, Lightning Greaves will not only shroud her so you can get out your fatties, but if you have the extra forest you can drop something the turn you play her.
turn 2 any creature ever!! how? turn 1 play a forest and pay nothing for Black Lotus! tap the forest & sac the lotus play elvish piper. turn two shablam!
InquisitorKryptman
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(2 votes)
I've given this card a rating of one because it is ridiculously broken, possibly one of the most broken cards I have ever seen. It's sickening that you could get out something like Emrakul by turn 5, and earlier if you have anything that can get you more mana, like Llanowar Elves. Most of the people who defend this card from accusations of "broken-ness" say things like "it's four mana for a 1/1, so it's super easy to kill" or "in order to use it, you need to have it on your side of the field for a whole turn, and then you need one green mana". First of all, it is only "super easy to kill" if on the turn after it's played you have something that can kill it, remove it from play or prevent it from tapping. Keep in mind that the opponent is unlikely to use it as a blocker. A red or blue deck may not have a problem with that, (though they would still have to harbor and waste cards like lightning or cancel to stop it) but for any other deck it's practically impossible. After that turn, you are most likely too late, as now the person using Elvish Piper gets to bring out whatever baddie he wanted, and elvish piper has completed her task. In order to get off it's ridiculous effect, all you need is for it to survive one turn and for your (at least) one forest to survive as well. It's practically an instant win, especially if a deck is built around it with plenty of "search-your-library" cards in it. I think that anyone who has tried to deal with an Emrakul on turn six will agree that it's not in any way fair. I can not understand why this card isn't banned, or at least restricted. Do so immediately.
VoidedNote
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
They should have made a cycle of these
Goblin Piper (2R): R,T: Play an instant card from your hand.
Cabal Piper (3B): B,T: Play a sorcery card from your hand. (Black seems more into sorceries than Red).
Vedalken Piper (4U): U,T: Put an artifact card from your hand into play.
Human (?) Piper (3W): W,T: Put an enchantment card from your hand into play, you may attach it to target permanent if it's an aura.
As for the card itself. It's a very powerful card, and paints a big target on its self, which is why you need to protect it. It also works very very nicely for those nasty multicolor abomonations that are such a pain to get out.
Doowyeh
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I recently got a deck full of old biggies and I have to say: If wizards hadn't invented this card (as well as Lurking Predators), I would be stuffed. Thank you guys ;)
AXER
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This would work with B.F.M. right?
JAC747
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Hello Doom Blade target! Whenever my friend plays this card I immediatly destroy it or counnter it. Then i'll use Rise from the Grave and put it onto the field as my creature. I don't have any green mana to play it so it gets to sit under my control in front of it's former owner, doing absolutly nothing. Haha
dberry02
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The fact that you can activate the ability at the end of your opponent's turn is just sexy.
Bowshewicz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@InquisitorKryptman: The reason that Elvish Piper is not banned is because, as powerful as its ability is, there are even faster ways to get a creature onto the battlefield. One example is the combo of Dark Ritual, Entomb, and Reanimate, which will get nearly any creature into play before your opponent has even dropped a land.
If this card is causing you problems in your play group, you should suggest to your friends that they not use it, or if they refuse and you are playing against that deck, make sure to save a kill spell every game. They'll get disappointed pretty quickly.
LarsBM
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Playing Emrakul for one green in a non-eldrazi deck anyone?
divine_exodus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Emrakul? Progenitus? Good boys, you came when I called!
TPmanW
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
It may not be overpowered in a real game with removal and such, but in casual or among amateurs... yeah this card attracts a whole lot of hate.
TURN 1: Play Forest, Mox. Tap both ({G}{G}). Use {G} to play Sol Ring; tap ({G}{2}). Use {1} to play Mana Vault. ({G}{1}). Tap Mana Vault. ({G}{4}). Play out Elvish Piper. ({1}) END TURN
TURN 2: Take 1 damage from Mana Vault. Tap Forest for {G}. ({G}) Tap Piper, activate ability; Place Cloudscraper into play. Tap Mox for {G}; play Concordant Crossroads; attack for 13 turn two.
Obviously, not entirely likely, but I'm sure it's happened somewhere. Lord knows I got off a turn two Inkwell Leviathan, hard-cast (Don't ask me how; but it still lost the game to the other deck I was playtesting. :/)
rctoons
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Beautiful art. She is one of Magic's beautiful creatures
Dragon23
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Love the car, but wayyyy to open to removal. I know that the dies to removal argument is never valid, but the card is killed by everything and unless you give it shroud or the sort, it will. It's an awesome card, but it has a massive bulls-eye on its back.
Narim
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
One of the most beautiful artwork I have ever seen in Magic, beautiful flavor text and a card that's abused a lot. On the other hand, it's a lure for all removals your opponent has in his/her hand :D
Protect it and conquer the multiverse! :D
inuaku
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
great card with Gaea's Herald and maybe a little shroud
I had Vigor in hand, but I knew that my opponent had a Persuasion in his. I used the Elvish Piper to drop Vigor on the field during combat. My opponent stole the Vigor next turn, but by then, I had enough big creatures to win the game.
Gabriel422
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
She's never been powerful, she went into and immediately out of my decks, but it's a card I'll miss since they stopped reprinting her in M11.
She's the sort of card that feeds imagnations, and imprints the image of herself dropping a Pelakka Wurm or Iona the moment you see the card. In reality she often disappoints. Drawing fatties without her in sight or with the Piper killed somehow, or having an active Piper without a worthy monster in sight. Sometimes she works; I totally forget about what exactly I dropped, it's unimportant since well, whatever it was it made short work of my opponent.
But years after and I look at her again, all that remains is the thrill. She brings Iona onto the battlefield, on turn four. Now that sounds a bit awkward, since I have a Summoning Trap deck which does exactly that...
Guess it's time for Magic to move on. And great design with the Piper, Wizards.
Khultar
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
it really ***es me off that this card isnt a perfect 5/5, i mean come on!!! emrakul for one mana? like holy jeezus people, stop n think for a second!!!
GoodwinD
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Anyone think of putting out an Eladamri, Lord of Leaves with this? Both are low cost creatures and with a few of either in your deck the combo is sure to happen on a regular basis.
VampireCat
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Works great with Fires of Yavimaya. The Fires give your opponent one less turn to kill the Piper, and means you can swing with your big nasty the turn she brings it out.
"Duuuude, I'm so high I just put a giant death squid from outside the multiverse right there, and I still don't give a flying Hill Giant!"
Seriously, so broken it hurts. Should have been mythic.
Tobolococo
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(3 votes)
instrucions: USE WITH PROGENITUS.
Mike-C
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How about a 1 cost artifact with flash thats uncounterable that deals damage equal to your opp life total +1 of course? Is that too $&@#%+# much to ask for? HUH!? Goodbye cruel & broken world..
SeiberTross
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(4 votes)
Timmy just had a heart attack.
land_comment
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@sarroth:
Sure, no extra turn, but when you have a fifth turn 15/15, do you REALLY need that extra turn?
Garfunculus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I love how utterly insane this card is. When I first got it, I was too new to know its potential, but since I happened to put it together with Emrakul and Lead the Stampede, it's a heck of a lot clearer why everyone wanted to trade me something for it.
immelmann
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(12 votes)
The rebecca guay art is icing on the cake. She does wonders especically with elvish or faery themed cards.
Shiny_Espeon
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
It is so criminal that this has a higher rating than an actually playable card like Misty Rainforest. No self-respecting player will ever let you untap with this in play unless they had a bad draw and didn't draw any removal. Piper dies to literally everything, so if you are getting killed by it, then it is likely your fault because you weren't packing any Doom Blades. Imagine this scenario: You play a piper. They lightning bolt it before you can use it. Now you're stuck with a hand full of uncastable cards that you were planning to cheat out with piper, then you die because you likely can't do anything.
If you want an incredibly unfair way to cheat out emrakuls and progenetisuses early, then look to cascade spells like violent outburstand hypergenesis. Since hypergenesis has a converted mana cost of 0, you can play it off of cascade without the suspend, allowing you to dump your whole hand of creatures. You just have to make sure that you have no cards with a converted mana cost of 2 or less in your deck. This combo was so powerful, that it got hypergenesis banned in extended. That combo was broken. Elvish piper? Not so much.
Eved
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I use this in my mono-green deck with Seedborn Muse. It allows me to put an extra creature down on my turn, and each opponents turn.
@Juggulator If money doesn't matter to you, there is always Forest and Black Lotus. If you have spare money but don't want to spend thousands on cards there is Forest, Mana Crypt, and Lotus Petal. If you are doing it on a budget then you could try things like Swamp, Dark Ritual, Dark Ritual, Mana Cylix. Obviously it gets harder to pull off the smaller your budget is, but it's possible to get this out turn one in many different ways. I don't use any combos to get this out on turn one myself, I prefer the reliability of turn one Llanowar Elves/Arbor Elf/Joraga Treespeaker to get this out turn 3.
@Shiny_Espeon Why are you assuming this card is only used for uncastable cards? I use it in a mono-green deck that only requires cmc to play it's biggest cards. With just this, Joraga Treespeaker, and a Forest each turn I can have an Ant Queen (hard casted) and a Terra Stomper (Piper's ability) out on turn 4. Lightning Bolt/Doom Blade/Path to Exile/Counterspell this elf and I am still playing a Terra Stomper on turn 4. Decks that use this aren't always screwed when it gets killed. Only decks that rely on flimsy combos with no backup plans are screwed. Most decent players don't make decks like the ones you're thinking of.
RPJesuzz
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
@sarroth T1: swamp, dark ritual, lotus petal, tap for {g} Elvish Piper T2: Forest, tap elvish piper, forest, play krosan cloudscraper.
they see me winning, they hatin'
NigelB
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Love love love this card, cant say its my favourite however it lets me play my favourite cards very cheaply indeed!!! and its not broken...... every card in mtg thats just a 1/1 with no protection can be destroyed easily!!! or just have its ability frozen!
Superllama12
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Juggulator: T1: Forest, Concordant Crossroads T2: Swamp, Dark Ritual, play this, exile Elvish Spirit Guide, bam! Of course, it's highly unlikely that you'll ever get that (but it'd be pretty sweet), but somewhat better than those ridiculous god draws that require like 9 cards
ObsessedAddict
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@Juggulator:
What about -
T1: Forest, remove 3 Elvish Spirit Guides, play Elvish Piper T2: use ability?
Salient
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Flavor text: "Elves are loud."
I'd have thought an Elvish teaching would say From Gaea grew the world's goblins, and the world was silent no more.
Valyant
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
And I thought Quicksilver Amulet was awesome!
windscar
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(6 votes)
Fauna, Fauna, don't you wanna?
PurpGuy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I'm currently on the fence about this one. I run her with Birds of Paradise, Llanowar Elves, Lightning Greaves, Baneslayer Angel, and Serra Avatar. The Avatar is my biggest CMC at 7. With a good initial draw, (without the Piper), I can have a Baneslayer out and attacking on Turn 3. The Piper is nice to have, but I don't NEED to rely upon her. That makes me wonder: why rely on her at all?
I'm debating the merits of Overgrown Battlement instead. 2 CMC, 0/4 Defender, adds mana like the Llanowar Elves. It wouldn't be destroyed by spells that do 1 or 2 damage to all creatures either.
Two points in favour of the Piper is that I can use her to bring Arcanis the Omnipotent into an otherwise G/W deck. But I'm sure there are alternatives to him. Also, since she tends to be perceived as a big threat, she eats the Counterspell that should have been saved for the Angels and Avatars.
I'm thinking Counterspell bait is a pretty big asset.
Crash21
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Oh yeah, this card is a perfect fit in my Adun Oakenshield EDH deck. Drop a big ETB effect card, sac it to one of my outlets, bring it back for GRB, and drop it again for G. And if someone kills off the Piper...well, easy enough to bring it back again too!
totally just played emrakul for {G}. good day was good
DoragonShinzui
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(2 votes)
...Why, Wizards? Why would you ever reprint something like this?
Was it just to get Rebecca Guay to do some more art? 'Cause if that was the reason, I can accept that. But I refuse to accept that you thought this card wouldn't cause problems.
T1: Llanowar Elves T2: 3 more Llanowar Eves T3: This T4: for Emrakul T5: Opponent flips table.
TheWrathofShane
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(5 votes)
Honestly its overrated. Yeah it may look brutal, but it dies to everything. If you build your deck around this thing, well it will get destroyed leaving you with a handful of creatures you cannot cast.
atemu1234
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Every time you play Progenitus using this card, a MTG championship winner hangs himself. @siddecutte You're saying that something that requires more mana from you in the long run is better? Granted, creatures have more removal towards them but put something like diplomatic immunity or ascetisism and you've got a severely difficult-to-kill creature.
plague_stinger
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(5 votes)
this + eldrazi = rage quit of the millenium
Exclaimer999
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card is amazing, ability-wise, but the real reason I love this card is the art. Rebecca's best art, IMO.
Seriously, this card is one of those that just annoys people more than anything. No-one likes the guy who thinks he's the world's biggest genius by throwing down some mahusive creature with this. I don't care that you made it 4cmc, green does mana ramp and Lightning Greaves/autocard are a thing. You can't enjoy a game with this thing on the table.
I actually agree with WrathofShane for once. I think he's right. This card doesn't have any inbuilt protection. It's a good card, deserves to be rated highly, but shouldn't be considered broken because quite simply it can be destroyed easier.
OrangeAir
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I honestly don't understand why this isn't seeing in play in modern. Legacy I can understand--you get stuff like Show and Tell and Sneak Attack--but modern? With a little mana ramping, you can cheat out anything you want turn four. Is that not good enough?
Burningsickle
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I find that this combos really well with disentomb.....
Painfully unfair in casual, too slow for competitive other than Legacy and Vintage and those have better options.
wideyes
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Lame. Any creature on turn 5 (at the latest) for G? Darksteel Colossus on turn 4 for G? GTFOH.
Aquitainus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
At first you think this is better than Master Transmuter...then you realize she's a 1/1, this is in Green (ramp), and she can't flicker herself.
Dr3amWalk3r
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Eladamri's call in a deck to go and fetch whatever you need, Seedborn Muse to keep on putting out creatures in a multiplayer game in each person's round, throw in some Lightning Greaves for protection. That is a very good base that will do you good! :-)
kfang1233
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I got Emrakul out on the fourth turn with this and won in the 6th... Here's how: Hand: Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Joraga Treespeaker, 4x Forest, Elvish Piper.
1st Turn: Drop a forest Tap it Play Joraga Treespeaker
2nd Turn: Drop forest Tap both Level up Joraga.
3rd Turn: Tap Joraga, and 2x forest Play Elvish Piper
4th Turn: Tap Forest, Tap Elvish Piper Drop Emrakul (Sadly, no extra turn 'cause it wasn't casted)
6th Turn: Swing Again with Emrakul and Joraga Win! :D
blurrymadness
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Wrathing the board after they drop a "free" fatty and then hardcast a 4 or 5 drop is kinda funny. I've no problem with this card other than the fact it is strictly casual only, but gets a bad rap in casual.
mrchuckmorris
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
........ Wait, did I read that right???
Zaneshift
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Turn 3 Progenitus from a mono green deck. Too straightforward for any Johnny, too unrewarding for any Timmy, this card is pure Spike-- which is what your opponent will feel like you did to the game. The fact that you can 100% ignore any opponent who doesn't have removal by turn three makes it very dull. People build a deck that either turn 3 Progenitus's, or scoops on turn 4. Solitaire much?
Granted, you're generally going to want removal in almost any sort of deck, but the fact that this setup wins or loses independent of anything you do is a pretty gimpy way of playing.
footyking
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
turn 5 prophet of kruphix, on their end step play piper, turn 6 summon progenitus
SumTingW0ng
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The tears of sadness and rage on this card's comments sustains me. You know it's a staple card for decks you should play when tears of sadness endlessly fall from people's *** about how 'broken' it is.
bertuccia32
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
M15...please wizards, M15. This card will be ridiculous in today's standard game.
M15, damn it.
M15!!
chuckitup
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
It seems to me that after the first use of Elvish piper, you could play Shackles to stop any future use of the Piper and then a Reprisal to kill the fatty.
Comments (111)
In limited though I could imagine this being a big win condition.
I love this card, got a set for my scarecrow deck. I think it's rediculous they reprinted this AND Darksteel in the SAME set lol. Perfect for a scarecrow deck, uses all five colors so helps me with the few non scarecrows that require colors (like my 2 Shavan Dragons for fun) or aln insane amount of mana (aka set of Darksteel).
I have won by turn 5.
So far I have won 5 out of the 6 games I played using my Colossus Piper deck. Could it be a tournament first placer? Probably not...Sure as hell kicks the crap outta my friend's decks though.
Question: Does it get the creatures into like flash? (can you use its effect on your opponent's turn?)
Emrakul only gives you the extra turn if you CAST it, now when it enters the battlefield.
@AbyssalManZero:
Are you seriously running a scarecrow deck?
Yes, you can use this to get your creatures into play on your opponent's turn, assuming Elvish Piper has been in play under your control for a full turn or you gave her haste, and you have the G to spend to play your creature.
I love Elvish Piper. Great ability, but far from unstoppable, so it's far from overpowered. Plus the picture is sweet. Definitely glad Emrakul can't grant that extra turn with her.
Tell me how you could possibly use this card to get a 2'd turn krosan cloudscraper. Love to hear that.
Goblin Piper (2R): R,T: Play an instant card from your hand.
Cabal Piper (3B): B,T: Play a sorcery card from your hand. (Black seems more into sorceries than Red).
Vedalken Piper (4U): U,T: Put an artifact card from your hand into play.
Human (?) Piper (3W): W,T: Put an enchantment card from your hand into play, you may attach it to target permanent if it's an aura.
As for the card itself. It's a very powerful card, and paints a big target on its self, which is why you need to protect it. It also works very very nicely for those nasty multicolor abomonations that are such a pain to get out.
If this card is causing you problems in your play group, you should suggest to your friends that they not use it, or if they refuse and you are playing against that deck, make sure to save a kill spell every game. They'll get disappointed pretty quickly.
I'd do it this way.
Opening Hand: Mox Emerald, Forest, Elvish Piper, Krosan Cloudscraper, Sol Ring, Mana Vault, Concordant Crossroads.
TURN 1: Play Forest, Mox. Tap both ({G}{G}). Use {G} to play Sol Ring; tap ({G}{2}). Use {1} to play Mana Vault. ({G}{1}). Tap Mana Vault. ({G}{4}). Play out Elvish Piper. ({1}) END TURN
TURN 2: Take 1 damage from Mana Vault. Tap Forest for {G}. ({G}) Tap Piper, activate ability; Place Cloudscraper into play. Tap Mox for {G}; play Concordant Crossroads; attack for 13 turn two.
Obviously, not entirely likely, but I'm sure it's happened somewhere. Lord knows I got off a turn two Inkwell Leviathan, hard-cast (Don't ask me how; but it still lost the game to the other deck I was playtesting. :/)
Protect it and conquer the multiverse! :D
She's the sort of card that feeds imagnations, and imprints the image of herself dropping a Pelakka Wurm or Iona the moment you see the card. In reality she often disappoints. Drawing fatties without her in sight or with the Piper killed somehow, or having an active Piper without a worthy monster in sight. Sometimes she works; I totally forget about what exactly I dropped, it's unimportant since well, whatever it was it made short work of my opponent.
But years after and I look at her again, all that remains is the thrill. She brings Iona onto the battlefield, on turn four. Now that sounds a bit awkward, since I have a Summoning Trap deck which does exactly that...
Guess it's time for Magic to move on. And great design with the Piper, Wizards.
Turn one: Forest, any Mox or Spirit Guide, Mana Vault, Elvish Piper.
Turn two: Would you look at that, Krosan Cloudscraper.
Seriously, so broken it hurts. Should have been mythic.
Sure, no extra turn, but when you have a fifth turn 15/15, do you REALLY need that extra turn?
If you want an incredibly unfair way to cheat out emrakuls and progenetisuses early, then look to cascade spells like violent outburstand hypergenesis. Since hypergenesis has a converted mana cost of 0, you can play it off of cascade without the suspend, allowing you to dump your whole hand of creatures. You just have to make sure that you have no cards with a converted mana cost of 2 or less in your deck. This combo was so powerful, that it got hypergenesis banned in extended. That combo was broken. Elvish piper? Not so much.
@Juggulator
If money doesn't matter to you, there is always Forest and Black Lotus. If you have spare money but don't want to spend thousands on cards there is Forest, Mana Crypt, and Lotus Petal. If you are doing it on a budget then you could try things like Swamp, Dark Ritual, Dark Ritual, Mana Cylix. Obviously it gets harder to pull off the smaller your budget is, but it's possible to get this out turn one in many different ways. I don't use any combos to get this out on turn one myself, I prefer the reliability of turn one Llanowar Elves/Arbor Elf/Joraga Treespeaker to get this out turn 3.
@Shiny_Espeon
Why are you assuming this card is only used for uncastable cards? I use it in a mono-green deck that only requires
T1: swamp, dark ritual, lotus petal, tap for {g} Elvish Piper
T2: Forest, tap elvish piper, forest, play krosan cloudscraper.
they see me winning, they hatin'
T1: Forest, Concordant Crossroads
T2: Swamp, Dark Ritual, play this, exile Elvish Spirit Guide, bam!
Of course, it's highly unlikely that you'll ever get that (but it'd be pretty sweet), but somewhat better than those ridiculous god draws that require like 9 cards
What about -
T1: Forest, remove 3 Elvish Spirit Guides, play Elvish Piper
T2: use ability?
I'd have thought an Elvish teaching would say From Gaea grew the world's goblins, and the world was silent no more.
I'm debating the merits of Overgrown Battlement instead. 2 CMC, 0/4 Defender, adds mana like the Llanowar Elves. It wouldn't be destroyed by spells that do 1 or 2 damage to all creatures either.
Two points in favour of the Piper is that I can use her to bring Arcanis the Omnipotent into an otherwise G/W deck. But I'm sure there are alternatives to him. Also, since she tends to be perceived as a big threat, she eats the Counterspell that should have been saved for the Angels and Avatars.
I'm thinking Counterspell bait is a pretty big asset.
...oops.
Get someone to kill a creature for some nice reason.
T1: Forest, Caravan Vigil, Caravan Vigil, Caravan Vigil
T2: Forest, Elvish Piper, Anything you want
Was it just to get Rebecca Guay to do some more art? 'Cause if that was the reason, I can accept that. But I refuse to accept that you thought this card wouldn't cause problems.
T2: 3 more Llanowar Eves
T3: This
T4:
T5: Opponent flips table.
@siddecutte You're saying that something that requires more mana from you in the long run is better? Granted, creatures have more removal towards them but put something like diplomatic immunity or ascetisism and you've got a severely difficult-to-kill creature.
5/5 for both.
If you build around him, you need to protect him.
IT'S YOU.
YOU ARE DEAD TO ME.
Seriously, this card is one of those that just annoys people more than anything. No-one likes the guy who thinks he's the world's biggest genius by throwing down some mahusive creature with this. I don't care that you made it 4cmc, green does mana ramp and Lightning Greaves/autocard are a thing. You can't enjoy a game with this thing on the table.
T1: Overgrown Tomb, Lotus Petal into Dark Ritual. Cast Piper
T2: Insert fave fatty here
T3: Profit.
Should make a deck with her the Shaman.
Hand: Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Joraga Treespeaker, 4x Forest, Elvish Piper.
1st Turn:
Drop a forest
Tap it
Play Joraga Treespeaker
2nd Turn:
Drop forest
Tap both
Level up Joraga.
3rd Turn:
Tap Joraga, and 2x forest
Play Elvish Piper
4th Turn:
Tap Forest, Tap Elvish Piper
Drop Emrakul (Sadly, no extra turn 'cause it wasn't casted)
5th Turn:
Swing for 16 (Emrakul + Joraga), Opponent Sacrifices 6 permanents
6th Turn:
Swing Again with Emrakul and Joraga
Win! :D
Granted, you're generally going to want removal in almost any sort of deck, but the fact that this setup wins or loses independent of anything you do is a pretty gimpy way of playing.
M15, damn it.
M15!!