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Ok we all know this isnt a competitive card, but the flavour of it is amazing! I just like the idea of winning with this in a casual game by when i get to 5 FILIBUSTER counters (best counter ever btw) just standing up, shouting THIS IS OVER!!! and storming off. That's why i have already made a deck around it. It is also a new win con which is cool in itself. 3/5 for actual usefulness and 5/5 for flavour and hilarity, so 4/5 from me i think.

Azor's Elocutor's turn five. Contagion Engine turn six. Any other proliferate card. Yeesh.

Filibuster counters

That is all

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Given the flavor of this, I think it might be a good idea for a player damaging the Elocutors' controller to punctuate it with "OBJECTION!".

Holy turbofog Batman!

This should have a sticker on it that says "play me in your Zedruu the Greathearted NOW."

Nice card. It's just sad that proliferate leaves standard with this coming in. These whould've been bff's :( But also, a pretty funny card that might make the turbofog a competetive deck :)

A pity this guy ain't no legend. Would be an interesting commander. For constructed it's too slow, for limited it's decent (mostly because it got at least a p/t of 3/5). Funny in casual decks though. Just pack enough extra turn spells.

Pros like me always say that humans make the best advisors and this card is no exception.

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Now you can win by talking your opponent to death.

Glacial Chasm or Solitary confinement

Little known multiversal fact: The temporal energies that caused the naturally occurring Paradox Haze phenomena on Dominaria were later adapted for use by Azorius Senate sittings to artificially extend sitting time so that the senate could cram five times as much bureaucracy into one sitting.

Love the flavor! Seems like a win-more card tho.

Should have been a draw-the-game condition instead of a win condition, since a filibuster can only hold the status quo rather than pass new laws.

filibuster counters should have had "remove a filibuster counter from Azor's Elocutors: prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to you this turn" It would have made Elocuters a much much better card, and more flavorful.

Style points if you talk at your opponent for the entire time this stays in play with filibuster counters.

Do i sense some political statement there, Wizards?
However, sadly IRL filibustering will usually get you nowhere.

@ Goatllama

I see what you did there

Otherwise what if you could get this into your graveyard, bring out a spirit token copy with Seance, Populate it with Rootborn Defenses, and make it Hexproof with Drogskol Captain, and then make your first Drogskol Captain Hexproof with a second Drogskol Captain. Then you could stall the game with Sphere of Safety and Martial Law...

Turbofog seems better now, but I don't think it is stable with the loss of Rites of Flourishing

WotC seems to have intended to cycle out those proliferating cards at Scars of Mirrodin block.

Just imagine what would happen in Standard if SoM block is still here.

This just gave my Gwafa Hazid deck a new win condition, and I love it.

@SkyknightXi
*Player plays lightning bolt*
OVERRULED!

Well i just don't want to open this , please !
Goes with the detain mech i don't want to play but if you manage to be safe 5 turn after your fifth turn ...
Cheat the upkeep and proliferate to speed up ...

Palisade Giant makes for good cover. Then drop Dovescape.

Novice like me says that humans make the best availers and this card has no expectations. This dude is a real fun guy, but I would not want him to speak for me! In my home land, game loses you.

Standard has 3 different fog effects. Lets do this.

"I proliferate the filibuster counter on Azor's Elocutors"

Say that with your mouth full of legislation. I dare you...

@alphagprime

Yeah, I agree that the synergy between Sphere of Safety, Martial Law, and this could make for a very resilient enchantment deck.

This cards could read this way : "Whenever you win the game, you win the game". Don't tell me no one will have a removal or a bounce during 3-5 turns. If they don't react during that time, well, you don't need this card to win the game.

White and Blue have the best counters in the game, IMO. First Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer, then this? Bribery and Filibuster counters. Both sound epic.

Grand Arbiter Augustin IV: "When in the Course of Ravnica events it becomes necessary for one Guild to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another and to assume among the powers of the world, the Equal but More Equal station to which the Guildpact entitles them, a decent respect to the opinions of citizens requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

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Equip him with ring of evos isle to increase his tankiness and give him protection from removal. Obviously you can't put elocutors in a deck; you build a deck around him.

When I saw this card spoiled, I lmao.
When I lost a game to this in a draft last night, I almost table flipped.

I actually lost to this guy once. I was playing a standard deck. Yeah.

Just waiting for them to start reading out of the Ravnica phone book.

@Vhailor
Blue has counters you know, and white can protect creatures.

Well here's something that's probably fun to play with Temporal Mastery{/autocard

I guess you could Time Warp, then Reverberate; but that's a pretty strong 7 drop anyway. Lightning Greaves or Swiftfoot Boots could help protect him. Ring of Xanthrid would give him regenerate for (2), so he could die and keep his Filibuster counters. Safe Passage, counterspells, and Faith's Shield could help protect him for a few turns. Supreme Verdict. A Ring of Thune and Ring of Evos Isle would pump his toughness twice an upkeep.

All of this sounds like too much work. Azor's Elocutors reminds me of Wit's End; a card that can win the game if your opponent is controlled or in trouble already. That being said, I could drop one in my "UW Fly Time" sideboard, if my opponent lacks creature removal I'll bring him in. It's a creative card.

I think the most awesome part about this is that it's 3/5.

I didn't know 3 old guys were 1/1.66's. I'm not exactly sure why they're so tough.

And obviously, Win-con. Weirdly, if you have enough stuff to stop stuff, you can win. I think this was printed as a secondary win-con for Turbofog, besides Luminarch Ascension. Seriously, once you got the isochron Scepter with Silence in it, Whatcha going to do?

Possibly OK in Commander with Contagion Engine, Contagion Clasp and Thrummingbird...since "you win the game" is better than proliferating most planeswalkers.

Not too bad of a card. Just throw up a few Hover Barriers for a brief defence and your good for a while.

You've got to love crazy silly counter types that only exist on one card.

Methinks MaRo helped design this card, since he is obsessed with alternate win-cons.

I love my alternate win cons, so I'm a fan of this card. Because of its simplistic nature, at times it can be considered easier to build around than others (like Felidar Soverign and Mayael's Aria), as all you need to do is enforce control for it to go off. At other times though, that simplicity works against it - a card like Felidar can win much more easily in a solid lifegain deck, and often wins via the alternate the turn after he comes out. Mayael's can win very quickly depending on what creatures you have out (ie. Mosswort Troll/Ageless Entity).

However, proliferate certainly does help out the Elocutors - and it even comes on a very good card in Tezzeret's Gambit. +1 CA at 3 mana and 3 life is only slightly worse than Sign in Blood and can be played in any color. The counter is quite relevant if you have the Elocutors out as it speeds up the game by a turn.

Beyond that, you're already playing white or blue, two of the best control colors, so setting up and then winning with the Elocs shouldn't be too tricky. Personally I have mine in a monowhite deck; Mother of Runes comes out early to defend and protect them once they come out, Wall of Reverence helps nullify fast aggro and offsets Tezzeret's Gambit, and then my bazillion other control cards like Wrath of God and Oblivion Ring keep things... well, under control. ^^

Alternate win con. EDH gold!

1. Opponents realize you're a threat
2. Opponents realize dealing damage to you will neutralize the threat
3. Everyone burns you, and you lose

I play this with Phyrexian Arena and Bitterblossom. YOU DON'T OWN ME WIZARDS!

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Everyone will try to go after you in multiplayer.

I love this card because it gives your otherwise slow control deck a win option. I play it with several counterspells, Silence and Fatigue. Nice way to end the game in 5 turns when your opponent is locked down and can't do anything. Keeps a game from running longer than it needs to.

Who would've guessed that Thrummingbird and Viral Drake were such remarkably eloquent speakers?

...Azor's Elocutors might actually be the only completely noncombative, noncompetitive way to end a game of Magic, with your duel opponents just throwing up their hands and walking away.

This card works wonderfully with planeswalkers- I like Elspeth Tirel particularly. The other player has to decide whether they would rather have growing planeswalkers or filibuster counters. A few Safe Passages make this all the more irritating.

I'd certainly be impressed at a good standard deck built around these guys, then bored, then asleep

Here's a really sneaky rat-b*st*rd tactic:

Play Azor's Elocutors in a Zedruu, the Greathearted deck. Target an opponent you really want the other players to attack and give control of the Elocutors to them. Suddenly every other opponent really wants to take them out, else they'll win the game automatically thanks to the Elocutors. Be extra sneaky and include a few permanent retrieval effects so that in case the Elocutors' controller doesn't die fast enough or is about to die, you can still yoink your Elocutors back and reap the rewards. Some bounce effects are also good to protect the Elocutors from removal.

Political Puppets indeed.

doubling season anyone?

also, @SkyknightXi and cptjack42:
even better would be Skullcrack (Objection) countered by Fall of the gavel (Objection overruled). :)

So these guys like money? I think Gwafa Hazid and theses guys will be the best of friends

@Manite: You are a genius.

Oh and believe it or not this card gets to five counters more than you would think. If it was in the same block as proliferate this would be broken in limited.

Run this in a deck with tezzeret's gambit, paradox haze and swiftfoot boots to make your friends hate you :P

This + dovescape + Glacial Chasm Greater Auramancy

They could not hurt you nor remove your creatures except with creatures such as angel of serenity, in which case you would just have to cancel them.

Bonus Vorthos points if you make your own Filibuster counters in the shape of scrolls.

I can see the Azor's Elocutors sitting together in a Story Circle to practice their craft. Fun flavor and gameplay combo.

Combine this with Quicken, Hidden Strings and Strionic Resonator.

You got yourself a game winning combo that can be played in a single upkeep step.

The Johnny in me wants Glacial Chasm.

The Timmy in me wants Doubling Season.

Me like 5/5

I'm basing a deck around this combo:
1) Get a Vorel out.
2) Get a Gilder Bairn.
3) Get out an Experiment Kraj and get counters on your Vorel and Gilder Bairn.
4) You now have an infinite tap combo on Kraj, although it does cost some good mana. Target Azor's Elocutors until there are over 5 counters on it.
5) GG no RE.

I don't think you understand how disgustingly upset I am that this cannot go in my Vorel of the Hull Clade EDH deck.