I'm not sure why you think prized unicor + this is some kind of great combo. I belive the idea here is to put it on a disposable blocker (or attacker), and when it dies put out something big and nasty. Having a unicorn will ensure it gets blocked but anything will work really. On a side note, does anyone know if the ability would work on a creature that has shroud? Example, inkwell leviathan ?
Elysiume
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(4 votes)
It should work on Inkwell Leviathan. As a card, it doesn't have shroud. It can be countered and stuff. So yes, this can be attached to Inkwell from your hand.
Clefaria
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(4 votes)
yojimbojones: Yes, this would work on Inkwell Leviathan. Shroud prevents the 'shrouded' permanent from being the target of spells or abilities. As you can see, the word "target" appears nowhere in Deathrender's text.
darkfury
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(2 votes)
while rules text and errata leaves it out, the Equip mechanic can not actually be used on a creature with shroud. on other equipment with the errata it says target creature
Mode
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(4 votes)
i don't exactly know what you consider to be errata, darkfury. of course in general a creature with shroud can't be equipped since it's an activated ability that uses the word "target". but do you see this word anywhere here within the wording of deathrender's triggered ability? no you don't, therefore this will work. it's just that simple ;)
a nice combo card, can be played for and then effectively gives you the opportunity to put a creature onto the battlefield by simply paying whenever another one of your creatures dies. or even those of your opponent if you use Auriok Windwalker or Magnetic Theft. works most efficiently if you can sacrifice your creatures. if you choose those with inherent sacrifice effect it will of course get even easier. Composite Golem for example should even allow you to get two creatures into play (one of them being any WUBRG, a Bringer or just anything else if you have Fist of Suns).
1. On your upkeep sac the Blood Speaker to search for a Demon to put in your hand.
2. The Deathrender triggers allowing you to put that Demon onto the battlefield equiped.
3. When the Demon enters the battlefiled the Blood Speaker's retuen to hand ability triggers
4. Untap, cast the Blood Speaker again
5. Rinse and repeat.
You will get all the demons in your deck onto the battlefield in no time!
GrimGorgonBC
★★★☆☆ (3.4/5.0)(4 votes)
hmmm, I'd just play DoJ and put down Akroma or sum other big expensive Hottie.
TheTraitorKing
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(2 votes)
To get your huge creatures onto the ballefield early, just use some cannon fodder creature, attack with it, then, when it dies, get a huge creature onto the battlefield with this wicked weapon.
Besides that, this artifact is absolutely amazing.. You can summon anything without shroud and protection without paying its mana cost as soon as the equipped creature goes to the graveyard...
did ANYONE else think of frodo's/bilbo's sword in the Lord of The Rings series when they saw this?
Archomental
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
*sighs* Ok, here's my thoughts. An Eldrazi on 5th or 6th turn is a good thing in my books.
Look Here, Scroll All the Way Down: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/rise-of-the-eldrazi-spoilers-0249/
Any Low-Cost Spawner Card (Of which there are bound to be plenty)
PLUS
Deathrender laid down on 4th Turn
PLUS
5th Turn Equip to a Spawn, Sacrifce the Spawn
EQUALS
Emrakul, the 17/17 Apolocalypic FREAK that will murder your opponent.
...
Verdict: Buying Four of These? I think so.
The only possible problem I can see here is that there may be some snag on a token rule. If so, the combo is a little bit broken, but all you'd seriously need to do would be to play something small and kill it yourself. Generally not a hard task in a deck who's main objectives are colorless, thereby giving one the chance to use black or red burn/drain spells on your own creatures.
storm_crow4presidnt
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
So many options for this card
Elthan
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(1 vote)
About the equip onto creature with shroud:
502.33a Equip is an activated ability of artifact Equipment cards. The phrase "Equip " means ": Move this Equipment onto target creature you control. Play this ability only any time you could play a sorcery."
So I believe it would be impossible to equip Inkwell Leviathan as it has shroud. This does not hinder it from being played from hand using Deathrenders ability though, as stated in the rulings.
Aun
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Attach to 1 toughness creature, kill with lighning bolt, free creature. With the eldrazi even more powerful.
izzet_guild_mage
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Haha, nice question, Rafiq. I'd guess it puts it in, tries to equip it, fails, and shrugs, falling to the ground next to the God-Hydra.
LiXinjian
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You can put a creature with shroud onto the battlefield when your equipped creature bites the dust. That's because you're not equipping it, but attaching Deathrender to it. Big difference.
Progenitus has protection from everything, which includes artifacts. It can't be equipped with Deathrender, but it CAN be brought onto the battlefield nevertheless. Check the card's rulings.
Molly.Llama
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
What does white do that kills it's own creatures with instant speed? There's gotta be something!
Play Sprouting Thrinax, equip this to it.When it dies, make your tokens and play your Witness from your hand equipped to it, and pull Thrinax up again. ^_-
Razmataz24
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
With enough tutoring for my EDH deck Deathrender + Skullclamp = alot of ammo for my general. Brion Stoutarm
Mephastopheles
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(2 votes)
How about this with Blood Speaker and Lifeline? Or rather, why have a demon every turn when you can have all your demons now? :-)
(Ans: Because they'll eat each other, and your face).
Every time I read this card, it becomes more ridiculous. This and a pair of cadaver imps and a sacrifice outlet creates a potentially infinite loop that you can exploit with, amongst other things, Soul Warden effects for infinite life, Teysa, Orzhov Scion for infinite tokens, or Fecundity to draw your library. If that sacrifice outlet is Viscera Seer, it allows you to tutor a card onto the top of your library. Nantuko Husk or something similar gives you a huge creature. You could replace the Imps with Sanctum Gargoyles and put in a Disciple of the Vault for infinite damage. The possibilities are endless!
I think this has to be my favourite card!
phantom.lance
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
let's you put any creature down from your hand for 6 colorless mana with partial payment? crazy.. the +2/+2 is just gravy on the side
Wraique
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
The word 'equipped' is ambiguous in MTG. It has two different meanings, those being 'to equip' and 'to have equipment attached'.
Other examples like "Creature can't be equipped" have needed specific rulings because it could mean one of two things. Goblin Brawler for example.
Also, the ruling on this card seems to suggest that Deathrender will not attach to a permanent with pro artifacts, when indeed it will attach itself to such a permanent but then fall off as a state-based action.
SweetZombiJesus
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
@Wraique: "Inkwell Leviathan cannot be equipped by Deathrender" is still using an adjective.
An easier way of looking at this is:
Deathrender cannot equip Inkwell Leviathan, but Inkwell Leviathan can be equipped by Deathrender (using the triggered ability).
So, as you were saying, activated, no, triggered, yes.
DacenOctavio
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(3 votes)
Looks like that sword from Fable.
VonD
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(3 votes)
@Pantheon: I hate to say it, but I don't think that actually works quite like that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, sacing Blood Seeker to find the demon will send it to the graveyard with the search mechanic on the stack. Then the sword triggers and you put something from your hand into play. Which means the swords ability resolves first and you don't yet have whatever demon you will search for in your hand. Hopefully, I'm wrong...
Mightyass
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
just put in an eldrazi deck. Turn 2 nest invader, turn three this, turn 4 growth spasm - equip to a token, sacrifice, get your eldrazi out. I ve seen some turn four emrakuls, thanks to this buddy
RowanKeltizar
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
This equipment is truly awesome. Use it with Blood Speaker and let the slaughter begin!
Justice1337
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Innocent looking Viridian Shaman with this equipped. I cast Obliterate, putting Sheoldred , Whispering One into play with the trigger. U mad?
igniteice
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
@SweetZombiJesus @Wraique
An easier way of looking at it is to say that Inkwell Leviathan cannot be equipped directly (it cannot be targeted to be equipped), but it can be equipped indirectly (Stonehewer Giant, Deathrender, Nim Deathmantle).
RJDroid
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Stolen from a thread in the rulings forum on this very combo:
"Deathrender will trigger during the resolution of Blood Speaker 's ability, but won't be put on the stack until after Speaker's ability has finished resolving, when a player would get priority."
Since the Speaker's ability involves getting a Demon in your hand, you will have a demon in time for the Deathrender combo.
Equip an Ornithopter and start bluffing like crazy.
Zakarath
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Ran into an unintentional combo when I put this into my Sliver deck. Pulmonic Sliver, Dormant Sliver, this, a sac effect like darkheart sliver, and some other random sliver for fodder goes infinite. Pretty convoluted & clunky, but the only reason I noticed it was because it happened :D
imsully2
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Ghave, Guru of Spores, Ashnod's Altar, this. Sac a saproling for the equip cost, equipping it to another saproling, then sac that one to equip it to another, repeat until you're out of cards in hand or out of saprolings, this combo works well with a psychothrope thallid, or a skullclamp, giving you as many cards in hand as you would like
"Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." -Eldrazi Spawn Token
SkyknightXi
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I wonder if this could work as a means of dissuading your opponent from killing the wielder too early--do they REALLY want to risk finding out what powerful creature, or creature with a powerful EtB effect, you have lurking in your hand? (If dissuasion even HAS a place in tournament play, anyway...)
At the very least, I'm thinking of Twilight Shepherd here. Free 7/7 vigilant flier AND the slain previous wielder can be recast. (Says something about me that most other people were thinking "cheat out a Timmy-slanted creature", while I'm thinking "cheat out a powerful EtB"...)
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(2 votes)
phantomlance: well, actually if you want to just cheat creatures into play, this is one of the slower options---SO actually it's an equip that does +2/+2 for 6 mana. I'd say if only it had granted deathtouch, it would be worth Mythic Rarity :) I want a re-developed version that costs 3 to put down but 5 to equip that does this :3 (Like I care about equip costs lol STONEFORGE MYSTIC ALL THE WAY BABY!) >:D
And it's the 'free stuff' that's the gravy- except it's REPEATABLE FREE STUFFS and that's actually really hard to get, outside of Omniscience, Green, or Kaalia. I think there was an Amulet that did it, but even though you can find a handful of cards, many of them are hard to use unless you warp your deck around them. Only this and Quicksilver Amulet can go wherever you need them to go :)
RecurringMemories
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I like this card. I have fun ide's about putting it in as back up in a deck with Recurring Nightmare + Victimize + a bunch of fatties (titans, spirit dragons, Wurmcoil Engine etc.). If I'm already sacrificing creatures to get more creatures, why not use this to get even MORE creatures! =D
if i sac blood speaker with deathrender attached to it then played the demon card i got with bloodspeaker and then play bloodspeaker again can i i attach deathrender to bloodspeaker or do i have to attach deathrender to the demon card?
TheBossHammer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Put Ashnod's Altar on the field with a bunch of one drops, then drop Deathrender, sac the first one drop to equip Deathrender to the second. Each one drop will pay for equipping Deathrender to the next and you can empty every creature in your hand onto the field. This is viable turn 4:
Turn 1: Choice of one drop. Turn 2: Ashnod's Altar, sac one drop -> myr of choice...maybe Iron Myr? Turn 3: Deathrender. Turn 4: 2 One Drops, Equip Deathrender, sac one drop -> creature of choice + Deathrender on another one drop, sac next one drop -> creature of choice + Deathrender on myr, sac myr -> creature of choice + 2 free mana, 2 free colorless -> ...Dimir Signet? :D
That's 3 free creatures on turn 4. It's unlikely to come together this fast, but it can happen.
Works great in EDH with Pathrazer of Ulamog when Thraximundar is your commander, drop a ton of stuff onto the field using the above method and leave Deathrender equipped to the last one drop when you hit 7 mana, wait for the inevitable board wipe/swing/any reason to off the guy equipped to deathrender, replace the fallen guy with Pathrazer on the opponent's turn and drop Thrax on your turn to swing for effective Annihilator 4 with a 9/9 that can only be blocked by 3+ and a 6/6 that might have just become a 10/10 on a guy that may have just pulled a boardwipe. Chances are that he won't be able to handle it. Also, obviously doesn't work against field wipes like Planar Cleansing, but at least it will force the opponent's hand and give you a good swing with Thrax.
KingRusty
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I just had a thought with this thing. I run a black/white/red deck for casual play. Put this thing down on anything; play Merciless Eviction; drop Avacyn, Angel of Hope or any game-winning creature; laugh maniacally. Emrakul, the Aeons Torn would really hurt with something like this.
mrchuckmorris
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Just awesome. Better practice your poker face, because when you're swinging with an equipped combat-damage-nightmare like Master of Cruelties, and you've got a big hand...
Kinpa6Ansatsu
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I think this card and Yomiji, Who Bars the Way forms an infinite loop with another legendary creature and a sac outlet.
Grixxas
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
So here's an actual situation from a game I played with a friend that needs some more in-depth explanation...
First off, I do understand these abilities would in fact go on the stack, but I am still unsure if the abilities would trigger in the proper order to pull off this tactic.
He has on his field Creature A (his bomb card) already equipped with Deathrender, Creature B (something weak and irrelevant), Golgari Guildmage, and 5 untapped lands. I have on my field 3 untapped lands.
- He attacks with Creature A, his bomb card - I counter with Murder to kill it during the declare attackers step - As soon as his Creature A hits the graveyard, he activates the first ability of the Golgari Guildmage by sacrificing Creature B to return Creature A to his hand, playing it immediately due to he triggered ability of Deathrender allowing him to play this creature from his hand pretty much upon death.
I argue that Deathrender's triggered ability to play a creature from your hand would activate before the mana ability of his Golgari Guildmage effectively rendering his tactic illegal.
Is this move legal or not? He seems to think so but I disagree. Any suggestions?
Manite
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Reminds me a lot of Sting from The Hobbit. Those who study the mechanical design of Lorwyn will notice this works quite nicely with the Boggarts' creature death/sacrifice theme.
blurrymadness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Grixxas This is a triggered ability. He sees the ability, activates his Guildmage's ability in response. Assuming nothing else happens, the Guildmage's ability resolves, puts the creature into his hand; then this resolves; putting it onto the field.
Jhyrryl
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This + Enduring Renewal + X, where X is a creature that sacs itself for an effect.
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a nice combo card, can be played for
works most efficiently if you can sacrifice your creatures. if you choose those with inherent sacrifice effect it will of course get even easier. Composite Golem for example should even allow you to get two creatures into play (one of them being any WUBRG, a Bringer or just anything else if you have Fist of Suns).
1. On your upkeep sac the Blood Speaker to search for a Demon to put in your hand.
2. The Deathrender triggers allowing you to put that Demon onto the battlefield equiped.
3. When the Demon enters the battlefiled the Blood Speaker's retuen to hand ability triggers
4. Untap, cast the Blood Speaker again
5. Rinse and repeat.
You will get all the demons in your deck onto the battlefield in no time!
Besides that, this artifact is absolutely amazing.. You can summon anything without shroud and protection without paying its mana cost as soon as the equipped creature goes to the graveyard...
Look Here, Scroll All the Way Down: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/rise-of-the-eldrazi-spoilers-0249/
Any Low-Cost Spawner Card (Of which there are bound to be plenty)
PLUS
Deathrender laid down on 4th Turn
PLUS
5th Turn Equip to a Spawn, Sacrifce the Spawn
EQUALS
Emrakul, the 17/17 Apolocalypic FREAK that will murder your opponent.
...
Verdict: Buying Four of These? I think so.
The only possible problem I can see here is that there may be some snag on a token rule. If so, the combo is a little bit broken, but all you'd seriously need to do would be to play something small and kill it yourself. Generally not a hard task in a deck who's main objectives are colorless, thereby giving one the chance to use black or red burn/drain spells on your own creatures.
502.33a Equip is an activated ability of artifact Equipment cards. The phrase "Equip " means ": Move this Equipment onto target creature you control. Play this ability only any time you could play a sorcery."
So I believe it would be impossible to equip Inkwell Leviathan as it has shroud. This does not hinder it from being played from hand using Deathrenders ability though, as stated in the rulings.
With the eldrazi even more powerful.
Progenitus has protection from everything, which includes artifacts. It can't be equipped with Deathrender, but it CAN be brought onto the battlefield nevertheless. Check the card's rulings.
Play Sprouting Thrinax, equip this to it.When it dies, make your tokens and play your Witness from your hand equipped to it, and pull Thrinax up again. ^_-
(Ans: Because they'll eat each other, and your face).
Every time I read this card, it becomes more ridiculous. This and a pair of cadaver imps and a sacrifice outlet creates a potentially infinite loop that you can exploit with, amongst other things, Soul Warden effects for infinite life, Teysa, Orzhov Scion for infinite tokens, or Fecundity to draw your library. If that sacrifice outlet is Viscera Seer, it allows you to tutor a card onto the top of your library. Nantuko Husk or something similar gives you a huge creature. You could replace the Imps with Sanctum Gargoyles and put in a Disciple of the Vault for infinite damage. The possibilities are endless!
I think this has to be my favourite card!
crazy.. the +2/+2 is just gravy on the side
Inkwell Leviathan cannot be equipped by Deathrender (verb: to target with the 'equip' ability. Equip a creature).
"I payed 2 mana and tried to equip my Deathrender to my Inkwell Leviathan, but then I saw that it had shroud."
Inkwell Leviathan can be equipped by Deathrender (adjective: the state of a creature that has equipment attached to it).
"My Death Cultist had Deathrender attached to it so I sacrificed it and put Inkwell Leviathan into play, so that the leviathan came into play equipped by Deathrender."
Other examples like "Creature can't be equipped" have needed specific rulings because it could mean one of two things. Goblin Brawler for example.
Also, the ruling on this card seems to suggest that Deathrender will not attach to a permanent with pro artifacts, when indeed it will attach itself to such a permanent but then fall off as a state-based action.
An easier way of looking at this is:
Deathrender cannot equip Inkwell Leviathan, but Inkwell Leviathan can be equipped by Deathrender (using the triggered ability).
So, as you were saying, activated, no, triggered, yes.
@Wraique
An easier way of looking at it is to say that Inkwell Leviathan cannot be equipped directly (it cannot be targeted to be equipped), but it can be equipped indirectly (Stonehewer Giant, Deathrender, Nim Deathmantle).
"Deathrender will trigger during the resolution of Blood Speaker 's ability, but won't be put on the stack until after Speaker's ability has finished resolving, when a player would get priority."
Since the Speaker's ability involves getting a Demon in your hand, you will have a demon in time for the Deathrender combo.
and Progenitus... or basically any other creature you want.
At the very least, I'm thinking of Twilight Shepherd here. Free 7/7 vigilant flier AND the slain previous wielder can be recast. (Says something about me that most other people were thinking "cheat out a Timmy-slanted creature", while I'm thinking "cheat out a powerful EtB"...)
And it's the 'free stuff' that's the gravy- except it's REPEATABLE FREE STUFFS and that's actually really hard to get, outside of Omniscience, Green, or Kaalia. I think there was an Amulet that did it, but even though you can find a handful of cards, many of them are hard to use unless you warp your deck around them. Only this and Quicksilver Amulet can go wherever you need them to go :)
T2: forest, birds of paradise, birds of paradise
T3: land, deathrender, magnetic theft the death render onto a bird, sac bird to seer for emrakul
Turn 3 Emrakul in modern!
Turn 1: Choice of one drop.
Turn 2: Ashnod's Altar, sac one drop -> myr of choice...maybe Iron Myr?
Turn 3: Deathrender.
Turn 4: 2 One Drops, Equip Deathrender, sac one drop -> creature of choice + Deathrender on another one drop, sac next one drop -> creature of choice + Deathrender on myr, sac myr -> creature of choice + 2 free mana, 2 free colorless -> ...Dimir Signet? :D
That's 3 free creatures on turn 4. It's unlikely to come together this fast, but it can happen.
Works great in EDH with Pathrazer of Ulamog when Thraximundar is your commander, drop a ton of stuff onto the field using the above method and leave Deathrender equipped to the last one drop when you hit 7 mana, wait for the inevitable board wipe/swing/any reason to off the guy equipped to deathrender, replace the fallen guy with Pathrazer on the opponent's turn and drop Thrax on your turn to swing for effective Annihilator 4 with a 9/9 that can only be blocked by 3+ and a 6/6 that might have just become a 10/10 on a guy that may have just pulled a boardwipe. Chances are that he won't be able to handle it. Also, obviously doesn't work against field wipes like Planar Cleansing, but at least it will force the opponent's hand and give you a good swing with Thrax.
First off, I do understand these abilities would in fact go on the stack, but I am still unsure if the abilities would trigger in the proper order to pull off this tactic.
He has on his field Creature A (his bomb card) already equipped with Deathrender, Creature B (something weak and irrelevant), Golgari Guildmage, and 5 untapped lands.
I have on my field 3 untapped lands.
- He attacks with Creature A, his bomb card
- I counter with Murder to kill it during the declare attackers step
- As soon as his Creature A hits the graveyard, he activates the first ability of the Golgari Guildmage by sacrificing Creature B to return Creature A to his hand, playing it immediately due to he triggered ability of Deathrender allowing him to play this creature from his hand pretty much upon death.
I argue that Deathrender's triggered ability to play a creature from your hand would activate before the mana ability of his Golgari Guildmage effectively rendering his tactic illegal.
Is this move legal or not? He seems to think so but I disagree. Any suggestions?
This is a triggered ability. He sees the ability, activates his Guildmage's ability in response. Assuming nothing else happens, the Guildmage's ability resolves, puts the creature into his hand; then this resolves; putting it onto the field.
X = Maw of the Obzedat == Infinitely Large Creatures
X = Wild Cantor == Infinite Mana
X = Mogg Fanatic == Game Over (Infinite Damage)