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Dark Confidant

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Dark Confidant

Comments (108)

ttian
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.7/5.0) (19 votes)
would you pay 20 life for it? because then you'd be dead, and that wouldn't be very greatness, would it? cokhed
2pcsofcandy
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0) (10 votes)
Two drops don't get much better than this.
Gilgamesh3000
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (11 votes)
Phyrexian Arena and of course Necropotence are better. 1 life 1 card, thats the best market price. Confidant can be good but not if you run high mana cost cards.
MightyMortox
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0) (12 votes)
I'm a bit of a noob but I don't fully understand the high rating on this card... I mean I guess a player would be familiar with the cards in their deck enough to know what most of the converted mana costs would be, so as to not accidently pull a Darksteel Colossus or something and take a massive hit and I suppose in some cases you would lose no life (basic lands?) but this seems like it would only work well in very specific decks comprised of very low mana-cost cards.
xStrikerx
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0) (5 votes)
This is good for getting a free card on your second turn. Many vintage decks run 0-2 cmc cards with few that cost more. Since this is a creature, you can sacrifice it for other effects like Ashnod's Altar. It also makes an decent attacker for turn 2 being a 2/1.
LuckyMonkey2367
★★★☆☆ (3.4/5.0) (6 votes)
those "very specific decks" with low mana costs are usually very good decks. Which makes this a pretty good card.
kroen
★☆☆☆☆ (1.9/5.0) (8 votes)
best card ever printed
PaladinOfSunhome
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0) (8 votes)
Very good card if you have the life to spare.
3.5
makochman
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0) (6 votes)
@ Gilgamesh3000

For Mono-Black Suicide, Bob is much better than Phyrexian Arena. Bob can attack for 2 each turn, can chump block, can be sacrificed to Cabal Therapy. Drawing a land, a Chalice of the Void, a Mox, or a Black Lotus with Bob is completely free. In a low mana curve deck, on average you'll only lose 1.5 life or so per turn. Of course Necro is a better drawing engine but it's restricted/banned and makes you wait for those cards.

This is one of the best black creatures ever printed and will be used in Vintage and Legacy decks for years to come.
FreakyM
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0) (9 votes)
My life is only relevant when it hits 0. Until then, what is relevant is my opponents life and the cards in my hand. Trade one irrelevant resource for a much more relevant one? Sign me up.
Titanium_Dragon
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0) (18 votes)
You can tell if a player is good by showing them this card. If they don't know that it is great, then they aren't a good player.

It is really at the peak of what a card is allowed to do. 2 power for 2 mana plus card advantage, at the price of life.

Why is it amazing? Because it doesn't cost you much life at all in most decks that would run it, it swings for two, and there's just nothing BAD about it - if your opponent doesn't deal with Bob, they are very likely to lose.
Mill_Master
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0) (16 votes)
Combined with a Sensei's Divining Top you can actually make sure you lose zero life. Grab a land every turn and whatever else is in those top 3. Great card.
HairlessThoctar
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0) (3 votes)
Good ol' Bob.
LasherHN
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (4 votes)
This is the card I would play if Chimney Imp wouldn't exist.
CatsAreCthala
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0) (8 votes)
Sweet card. My cousin borrowed mine and never returned it. It was sent to on a Journey to Nowhere.
Sironos
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (6 votes)
Wow, it only forces me to have only cards with very low mana cost in my deck...
And soon I'll likely have to burn cards cause I can only have 7 in my hand...
I'm new to magic, so I hope I'll one day understand.
NeverendingDream
★★★☆☆ (3.4/5.0) (4 votes)
How does the best creature in the game have just 4.4/5 average stars
JWolps
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (3 votes)
That... thing... behind him. What is it? It can't be a human, can it?
Paleopaladin
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0) (8 votes)
Why does such an awesome card have to have such tragically awful art? That guy looks like a twerp.

EDIT: Ok, my foot's in my mouth. I just read that this was fashioned after a real-world HOF MtG champ (hence the "Bob" people are talking about in case some of you are wondering why people here are calling this card that). No offense intended to real-world Bob. They could have done something with the lighting/shadows to make a character with real-world Bob's face, but flattering and less twerpy.
mkniffen
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0) (1 vote)
I play this with chains of Mephistopheles so I shut their card advantage down, while mine runs rampant
Saxophonist
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Why does the Confidant remind me of Hayden Christensen?
Gfanatic
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0) (1 vote)
This is card advantage when it is best.

Confidant aggro is the best way to win any game ^^
JStoermer
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0) (10 votes)
@DragonLord132

Do you know how to play this game?
TDL
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0) (1 vote)
@Gilgamesh3000:
I would hesitate before saying "of course"... this is a creature, and those are enchantments. It's really a whole 'nother ball game...
All in all, I think this is worth 4.5 stars, because the only things I give five stars to are the utterly broken ones.
TheDonMega
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0) (10 votes)
Broken, However I only gave it a 4.5/5 simply because he DOES look like Hayden Christensen who along with jar jar binks ruined star wars for me.
justicarphaeton
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
Really good, but good in the way Chrome Mox is -- that is to say, he's situational. In certain decks he's absolutely amazing, but there are lots of decks which try to force him in when he doesn't belong. A great contender for 'most powerful two-drop creature' that is actually balanced (unlike Tarmogoyf)
MasterOfEtherium
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0) (9 votes)
Hell Yeah With Senseis Top Good Idea "Guys"
tcollins
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0) (16 votes)
"but not if you run high mana cost cards" - DragonLord132

If you are running high mana cost cards with this card, you're either:
a) Running some serious library manipulation, probably a {BU} deck that will almost always know what's coming up next.
b) A risky player
c) An idiot. If you do end up flipping over a Darksteel Colossus and hit yourself for 11, or an Emrakrul, the Aeons Torn and hit yourself for 15, you deserve every bit of that damage.

A great card if you know what you're doing and provides fantastic card draw advantage
Lateralis0ne
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0) (14 votes)
I'm with tcollins on this one.

It seems to be popular for many people who comment on Gatherer to say "Yeah, it's a good card, but only if xyz." And that's the way Magic is meant to be played. If there were cards running rampant that fit in every deck, and were broken on their own right, then this game wouldn't be fun anymore.

Examples of broken cards that make any deck better (or at least work well in any deck) come with appropriately high resell prices. Moxen, Black Lotus, Jace 2.0, maybe...they all make many decks that much better. And to run a card that is that good, you pay through the nose.

So yeah, Dark Confidant is limited in its value depending on the deck you're running. But it's a damn good card, and you have to be competent in knowing where to use him. Just like everything else in this game.

Many of you here and on other card boards are really going to dumb down the game if you keep this up. A polite, friendly warning to you lot.
supershawn
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
you take no damage for lands, that's what really sold me this card...
unfortunetly my black deck has many high cost creatures (for the sake of discarding and reanimation and such) and prefers to just dump cards off the top of my deck into my graveyard than draw.
so I don't think I'll get to play this awesome card anytime soon.

a friend showed me this card all upset that it was a rare he pulled from a booster pack, unfortunetly I was unable to keep my composition and immediatly revealed to him the greatness of this card.
he just kinda raised an eyebrow and said "I knew you'd like it" and gave it to me!
Mike-C
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (2 votes)
Alright no one laugh at me if I'm missing the obvious here but... Why "Bob"?
boneclub
★★★☆☆ (3.1/5.0) (5 votes)
@blurrymadness : Wow, you sir are dumb. You seem to have failed to notice that Necropotence is banned in legacy, AND restricted in vintage.

@Mike-C: Bob Maher designed it for an invitational.
Cthulhu_Shin
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0) (26 votes)
A good black mage can understand his great power and use it.
A good non-black mage can understand his great power and stop it as fast as possible.
A noob says: I don´t like losing live, this sucks.

This card is a true black card.
bijart_dauth
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0) (2 votes)
hm... well. I agree that drawing 2 cards per turn is fairly epic, and at 2 mana your going to be doing it for most of the game. But really, unless everything in your deck barely costs anything, you could be hitting yourself for a lot. Thus it is restricted to very specific types of decks (namely suicide black). And while it shines there, the limited use for it makes it not worth quite as much in my eyes. Paying 3 or so life wouldn't be that bad, but paying say, 6 or so for one of your bombs late game could easily kill you, especially sense you've been paying small amounts of life for most of the game.
iSlapTrees
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0) (3 votes)
So your are saying if I Donate or Bazaar Trader him to a deck that runs polymorph and I some how can manage to control what card they draw...?

;)
Polychromatic
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0) (1 vote)
What the--? This is a 5 star card, and certainly one of the best Black cards ever printed.
Max_Glycine
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0) (2 votes)
I usually play any color or colors but black (most often red-blue), but am recently starting to think about getting into good old suicide black. This would definitely help with that. 5/5 for being perfectly balanced and yet rather powerful.
TheSwarm
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0) (3 votes)
@ sironis: It provides card advantage, an extra card a turn is ridiculously powerful in decks, card advantage is greater than life in a lot of decks. And also, if you rnot playing spells because of this guy to get your hand below seven, then you're doin somethin wrong. And, with scry and brainstorm effects, you can put lands on the top and lose zero life.
Kryptnyt
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0) (14 votes)
Fantastic card, no doubt, and I think core set potential lies in Bob!
Jerry34
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (2 votes)
If you have 2 Dark Confidant's out do u do its ability twice?
Zoltantf
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0) (4 votes)
"I see that you have yet to realize the true power of the dark side..."
This beast of a card, takes your game from zero to sixty in record time. Combine with Sensei's Divining Top, preordain, Liliana Vess, or any library manipulation, and you will gain card advantage, and have relevant spells of your choice! The drawback is minor, if you build around it. Revealing a land card will cost you nothing. Combine with lifelink creatures, like vampire nighthawk, and the life loss can be minimized. The way I see it, it's greatness at minimal cost. 5/5 for sure.

@Jerry34: The ability will trigger twice. You choose the order of those abilities on the stack, so yes you would get two cards.
stille_nacht
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
when i get my friends into magic, i know they are starting to get good when they notice things in my binder like force of will, noble hierarch, and dark confidant and say "wow these cards are amazing!"
Kitty_the_Kat
★☆☆☆☆ (1.4/5.0) (5 votes)
Type your comment here.
UNHINGEDMAN
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (2 votes)
so... this guy is pretty good #understatement
Mickacabra
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0) (5 votes)
I would put this card in the Top 5 creature cards of all time, and definitely the best black creature ever. Solid P/T for its cost, but more importantly, INSANE CARD ADVANTAGE, and in exchange for a resource that black has no problem using.
If you think about it, the life loss is virtually negligible. Let's say the average converted mana cost of the non-land cards in a 60-card deck is 3.333. In a deck with 24 lands, thats an average CMC of 2 and therefore the typical amount of life you lose each upkeep with this guy on your side, especially when he's swinging for 2.

For those that doubt this claim, consider the following model: You and your opponent are playing a game, in which any turn he or she has at least two cards in hand during his or her precombat main, plays one land and casts one spell. If he or she has one card during this precombat main, he or she has either a land drop or a spell. For the sake of this exercise, we will assume that on even turns a land is drawn and on odd turns a spell is drawn once we get to topdecking. Each spell that's drawn by each player is an answer to the spell played the opponent the turn before, with the exception of Dark Confidant. On turns where a player played only a land, the player who still has cards in hand will be able to cast a spell unanswered with life value of a single Shock on his or her next turn. A spell will be cast by each player on turn 1, but will not have a life value. Dark Confidant will attack every turn. Both decks have, with lands included, an average CMC of 2. (This model design is meant to illustrate two decks that are very well evenly matched, with the only X-factor being Dark Confidant.)

Using this model and assuming that you play Dark Confidant on turn two, playing first you would win on turn 11, and playing second you would win on turn 10. And the only thing that ever happened was Dark Confidant attacked, each player cast spells to nullify one another, until one player ran out of cards in his/her hand while the other found opportunities to cast things unanswered. This scenario goes to show how there have been many control mirror match-ups where Dark Confidant was the deciding factor.

This model doesn't even account for cards that can manipulate your deck, like Jace TMS, Top, Brainstorm, Preordain, Ponder, etc. Not only that, it also doesn't consider cards that gain you life, such as Sword of Light and Shadow, Sword of War and Peace, Umezawa's Jitte.

Seriously, this guy is NUTS.
Henrietta
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
Kind of a skilltest card, although not in the way of "if you play this you're bad" kind of skilltest. This is the arguably the best two drop creature ever printed, and definitely in the top three, yet it's not a broken card, so many players greatly underevaluate how good it is.
001010011100101110
★★★★☆ (4.6/5.0) (25 votes)
A card that sacrifices life for card advantage? Horrible!

Other bad cards that waste precious life: Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Ancient Tomb, Channel, Pain Dual Lands, Pain Search Lands, and Necropotence.

If you still don't get the joke, I rated this card a 5/5. That should hint you.
dinclaus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (2 votes)
Looks kinda like Marshall from HIMYM!
JFM2796
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (2 votes)
Very good card for tournaments. In casual this will kill you within 4 or 5 turns. That said, 5 stars. Its just not the kind of card I'm interested in.

Also, why Ancestral Vision is banned in modern and this isn't, I'll never know.
starfox444
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0) (26 votes)
"Greatness, at any cost."

Just looked up the price for one of these. Damn right.
Goatllama
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Little known fact: guy in the background = Richard Garfield
Kragash
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0) (1 vote)
At last, Val Kilmer and Jabba the Hutt... together!!!
LordRandomness
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (2 votes)
Cards like this are what keep me out of low-restriction formats: I don't like absolutely having to have one or probably losing to it or having to build around dealing with it reliably.
Field_Marshal
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (2 votes)
Best flavour text ever.
Azazyel
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (2 votes)
Someone's probably already mentioned it, but the Dark Confidant in the art isn't Bob; it's the fat, floating... egg demon... thing that Bob's talking to.

The more you know~

EDIT:

...or is it? Just noticed that it's a *Human* Wizard. So then, is the floating egg demon confiding in Bob so that Bob can offer him greatness at a price? But then why would a demon confide in a human?
Paolino
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0) (3 votes)
This card is great, at any cost!
Shadoflaam
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0) (5 votes)
Dayum.

I mean wow.

...please reprint him Wizards, I wanna play Modern too!
PeabodyET
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0) (1 vote)
@Azazyel

The human guy is the "dark confidant". A confidant is someone that you put your trust into, in this case an advisor.

If you remember the Ravnica plane, the Church Orzhova, the Church of Deals was ruled by the Ghost Council of Orzhova. The other Church leaders have gotten bloated (Castigate) on the thoughts and riches they have extracted (Conjurer's Ban) from the people. It seems that the House Dimir has infilitrated Orzhov (and maybe the other guilds) by sending these Lurking Informants and spies (Dimir Doppelganger) around.

In short, the fat thing is more likely an Orzhov Pontiff, not a demon. And the thin guy is the Dark Confidant.

oh, and @JFM2796
The zero-cost-suspend-only cards were banned because of cascade.
Ipsilont
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
My nickname for this card
"The Riddler"

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, watch "Batman Forever"
JackThompson
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Chandler Bing would be on one of the best black cards.
Lord_Seth_02
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0) (6 votes)
@ gmanp2

"1) Vulnerable to creature removal. Enchantments are harder for most colors to kill."

This is definitely the biggest drawback for this compared to Arena. But worth pointing out that if your opponent uses up a removal on him, that's a removal they're not using on something else (which is true for Arena I suppose, but you'll probably have more creatures than enchantments).

"2) You take on average a lot more damage than from Phyrexian Arena / Bloodgift Demon and friends, unless you run MOSTLY 2 CMC or lower cards."

Running low mana costs does indeed solve part of that problem, but you need to remember how many cards there are that let you stack your top cards to make sure the specific card the Confidant gets you is cheap (possibly 0 mana!). Granted, this is more true in Legacy than Modern (Modern doesn't have Ponder, Preordain, Sensei's, Jace the Mind Sculptor, Brainstorm, or for a non-Blue card, Sensei's Divining Top), but there are still cards in Modern that can do it for you while still being useful outside of just a reordering for Dark Confidant.

"3) Yeah, he can chump block. But who would chump block with such an excellent ability? Well, unless you're going to lose."

You answered your question. But to be more specific: He gives you the OPTION of chump blocking. You cannot do that with a Phyrexian Arena. Even if your opponent is coming at you with a creature that will kill you this turn if you don't block it, you STILL can't block with a Phyrexian Arena. You can with Dark Confidant. Even if blocking isn't his ordinary usage, having that option is an advantage.

"4) You reveal the card. Blue then knows, or at least has a better idea of, exactly what to counter."

Revealing the card is a slight drawback, but I don't think it's really that big. Plus there is the aforementioned reordering...

"So I don't know. He's really expensive (real world money wise) and, in my opinion, worse than Phyrexian Arena. Please explain to me otherwise, because I want to like him."

I've explained the above notes how its apparent drawbacks aren't that big compared to Arena, but there is one other thing to remember, and it's something that can more than make up for those drawbacks: Dark Confidant costs less mana. That 1 less mana may not seem like much, but in fast formats like Modern and Legacy, it means you start getting your extra cards faster and/or opens up more mana for you to spend on other things on the turn you play it. And not only that, he costs less BLACK mana. Phyrexian Arena requires two Black mana. Dark Confidant needs only one. This makes Dark Confidant far easier to splash and allows him to fit in many more decks.

Another thing about Dark Confidant that's better is this: It's easier for YOU to get rid of him than the Arena if the losing life is getting problematic. Your deck probably has more cards that can kill him (sacrifice, creature removal, etc.), but even ignoring that, you can get him killed via attacking or blocking if you need to. Blocking is self explanatory, but you can keep attacking with him if you want him gone...your opponent either blocks (killing it unless they're using a 0-power creature) or takes damage, which is a win either way for you. If you have a Phyrexian Arena and are starting to sweat the life loss, you have fewer options on how to get rid of it.

And I think that's the ultimate reason why Dark Confidant gets played far more (and costs more money) than Phyrexian Arena: More options. It gives you the option of attacking or blocking. There are more options in terms of decks it can work in. And you have more options on what to do if the life loss is suddenly becoming dangerous.
DarthParallax
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0) (2 votes)
Dear Bloodgift Demon: THIS is how it's DONE, bro.
KerosAohco
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0) (2 votes)
What makes this card so great is that most opponents will not realize that they lost to this card in the long run. Seems innocuous at first, but when you're drawing multiple threats faster than opponents can deal with, then you know you have a winner.

Life loss can be mitigated with cards like Umezawa's Jitte and Basilisk Collar. Sensei's Divining Top could be used to make sure you lose as little life as possible, which many decks already do, but I rather just stick to more aggressive options.
tarmogoyf1590
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0) (1 vote)
I think this is the best creature ever printed.
And you really have to use it in a game to see just how good it is.
He has won me so many games just through pure card advantage.
Absolutely brilliant.
5/5
Axelle
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (2 votes)
Needs core set reprint. Too bad people aren't satisfied by Dark Tutelage.
Zhared
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Weird, he looks a lot like Bob Maher.
Fireballmage
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Zhared: You know, it's kinda weird. I thought the same thing. It's an uncanny resemblance, almost like how Snapcaster resembles that Tiago guy.

Must be a coincidence. ;-)
ChildOfNephilim
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Some have already mentioned arena, and the demon, and rightfully so! I don't own any of these, so I run Sign in Blood. It would function, for the deck in mind, much the same way, however. Suffer the Past, cmc 1, X caster for life steal. Consume Spirit and Drain Life, cmc 2, X caster for life steal. Soul burn is less impressive at cmc 3, but it is another viable X caster for life steal. Finally, the crowd pleaser, Exsanguinate, cmc 2, X caster for board wide player lifesteal.
MicrosizeMe
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Why does this card go for 20-40 dollars when Phyrexian Arena, a 4-6 dollar card, does it so much better for only 1 more black mana? Unless you’re running deck manipulation, Phyrexian Arena gives you the card for less life every turn AND you don’t have to reveal it! Additionally, this is a creature, which is generally easier to kill.
mdakw576
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0) (6 votes)
Why does this card go for 20-40 dollars when Phyrexian Arena, a 4-6 dollar card, does it so much better for only 1 more black mana? Unless you’re running deck manipulation, Phyrexian Arena gives you the card for less life every turn AND you don’t have to reveal it! Additionally, this is a creature, which is generally easier to kill.

1 less mana is a really huge deal (especially when it's 1B vs 1BB; bob is easier to splash too). Bob draws you 1 more card because it comes down a turn earlier.

Yes, it's a creature and dies more easily. But there are still benefits for it. Swinging for 2 when the board is clear helps a lot, and makes tendrils require less spells to be lethal. And bob does make you lose some life, so being easier to kill means you can turn it off later in the game by saccing to, say, cabal therapy. But in general, Bob also doesn't make you lose any life if you flip over a land (moxes/lotus in vintage), and you're losing 1-2 life otherwise, with the occasional 5 for force or 4 for jace.

Now if you are playing casually, then arena is a perfectly fine "budget" substitute (4-6 may still be too much for some players). But for players going in serious tournaments, bob is the way to go.
DragonLord132
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Way too conditional to be really good. Paying upwards of 3 life per turn is way too high. If you must have a higher hand, then make sure you can sacrifice this guy when your life is low.
Phyrexian Arena
TheHandyman
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
$45 for a piece of cardboard with some printing on it.

I'm good with that.
Tiggurix
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Tim
Tom
and Bob.

The unholy trifecta of Blue, Black or Red Human Wizards with three letters long nicknames!
snickerpuss
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
"Greatness, at any cost." Maher made it possible to get into the bigger tournaments by fudging local hosted lower level tournies. It would be like a good, local level boxer getting a sudden shot on live TV on HBO or something. It was a very wrong thing to do - But any magic savvy player knows that Bob was "The Great One" of Magic - He was simply, for his time, probably the best. The flavor text, of course, reflects appropriately. Oh, they banned him for a year.
gman92
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0) (7 votes)
You, know, I don't understand this card very well.
1) Vulnerable to creature removal. Enchantments are harder for most colors to kill.

2) You take on average a lot more damage than from Phyrexian Arena / Bloodgift Demon and friends, unless you run MOSTLY 2 CMC or lower cards.

3) Yeah, he can chump block. But who would chump block with such an excellent ability? Well, unless you're going to lose.

4) You reveal the card. Blue then knows, or at least has a better idea of, exactly what to counter.

So I don't know. He's really expensive (real world money wise) and, in my opinion, worse than Phyrexian Arena. Please explain to me otherwise, because I want to like him.

EDIT: Okay, that's a bit clearer for me. Thanks, Lord_Seth.

EDIT AGAIN: I picked up one of these for my EDH deck. It's incredible the advantage he incurs with Top and occasionally Jace; almost unholy...
Lord.Gold
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0) (5 votes)
Can you imagine them printing a version of this as a 1/1 mythic with shroud in return to ravnica?

Empty ALL the wallets!!!!!
j_mindfingerpainter
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0) (5 votes)
Eddie Izzard, is that you? How'd you get on a Magic card?
bowlofgumbo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I've seen this bro induce enough foolish suicides to honestly believe that those flaming noobs on Gatherer for misunderstanding and/or underestimating Bob's power have contributed directly to rampant misplay of the Confidant. It's like people believe he's good but somehow still don't really get why. Incredible card, nonetheless.
TheWrathofShane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
A card is only as good as the cards around it.
Osprey_93
★★☆☆☆ (2.2/5.0) (2 votes)
Personal Sanctuary.
Gcrudaplaneswalker
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Duel Decks: Dark Confidant VS Snapcaster Mage. Perhaps the prices may go down a bit... Oh, who am I kidding!!!
Ales
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I started playing magic during Time spiral, however my local store only had Ravnica booster packs at the time, so it was like i started with Ravnica and in one of my early boosters i pulled out this guy... And i was like WTF is this! Why would i pay 2 mana for a 2/1 that hurts me? And its a rare? Screw it im playing grizzly bears!

So for like two years he was sitting in my trade binder and nobody wanted to trade for him because we all thought he sucks. Until i met that guy in high school who was apparently a bit more knowleadgable about Magic and said he needs him. I was like *why, he sucks* and he grinned and said *yeah but im kinda making a new deck and he fits perfectly*.

I immediately got a wierd feeling but i just wanted to finally get rid of the confindant so i traded him...and a magus of the tabernacle for a....HUNTED DRAGON!

Until i realized how much money a confidant costs, i was actually happy with the trade...
CORRBentOrgy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I really understand the advantage here, but at the same time, I've never used it once. Know why?

I've beaten far too many opponents by simply sitting back as they drew a tarmogoyf or something and killed themselves. Suicide Black is one thing, but its ridiculous when a creature works against you almost as often as for you.
BrunoDamm
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
why is phyrexian arena rated higher than him? this guy can bring you free extra lands! and also can swing for 2, if you are a smart deck builder, life loss wont be a problem with this guy.
WarioMan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Anyone else thinks he looks like Syndrome from the Incredibles, only in a different getup? Put him in a black and white jumpsuit, and you have an awkward supervillain, my friend.
El_Pared
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I understand why Bob is good, really, I do. What I don't understand is his ridiculously extravagant price tag. You could buy Bob for $8 when rav block came out and now he's $40!? How the hell? I don't understand how he could have gotten THAT much better as newer sets came out to merit paying more for him than for a rav block dual land

Otherwise, yes, properly played he's an amazing card, just an expensive one with a mildly ironic flavor text
cartel1982
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card is as good as your 2 CMC or less cards and your library manipulation. Throw it into any random black deck and it will likely kill you. But if you've got Tarmogoyfs, Delvers of Secrets, Brainstorms, and Divining Tops, then he's just flat out amazing. A one-sided Howling Mine.

I think there's a deck to be made with counterspells and controlling instants, Delver of Secrets, Divining Top, Bob, and Stoneforge Mystics. I'm working on it, but I thinking UBW could be big in Legacy.
theNinja-degozaru
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
What is the interaction with this guy and a split card like Boom // Bust?
EDIT: I mean, if you would flip a split card like the example, what happens?
mpitcock
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0) (2 votes)
Sorry Bob. You've been outclasses by Duskmantle Seer. 4/4, flying, and gives everyone Bob. This card is gonna be EXPENSIVE. I mean look at this guy's price tag now.
Sessy
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0) (5 votes)
Really Timmyforever? Mr. "Go to every popular card ever and say its the worst card in the history of cards, and rate it a 0.5 out of 5", YOU'RE the one claiming everyone else is saying "pay attention to me"? Interesting.

Anyway, for those of you who say it's bad, it's truly, truly not. I've played with it in several decks and if it sticks (which is rare considering how big of a target it is), it's gonna win you the game most of the time. Drawing say, 3 more cards then your opponent throughout the game cannot simply be overstated. Almost the same thing as having you start with the full 7 and the other guy mulling to 4. Well, maybe not quite that, but it's close.

Oh and I rarely get killed by the thing, or have seen many others get killed by it. It's never revealing griselbrand or Emrakul, but more often land, cabal therapy, ponder, and the like. Not saying you won't get unlucky and flip a liliana of the veil or a bloodbraid elf or something, but even that doesn't happen most games. What ends up happening is, if it sticks, it'll deal you anywhere between 3 to 6 damage, and at least deal them 2-4 damage, while drawing you a bunch of cards, before you inevitably chump/trade it off in combat or have it eat a removal spell. Pretty good deal for 2 mana. Please believe me, pros play this for a reason, and it's because it's pretty much a must answer threat, not because they are stubborn or stupid or something. Probably in the top 5 creatures of all time imo.
NoIHavent
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0) (5 votes)
@TimmyForever

I... Actually agree with you? This is weird. Anyway. The culture here seems to be that on every good/broken card, the comments go something like "OMG, this is the real noob test, show them this and Emrakul and blah blah blah." because as soon as people can recognize a card is good, they can berate others for not seeing it, right? Gotta love the hivemind. As for this card, it really is good if you know how to use it. Really. Alternately, if you don't like life-for-cards, fine. Don't play black. It's fine. Just because something is good in practice doesn't mean you have to enjoy playing with it. That's why we have 5 colors, people.
Ferlord
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0) (3 votes)
See, one thing about Bob that I didn't get was that he was 4.6/5 stars, while Dark Tutelage is 3.5/5.

Their effects are the same, and enchantments are harder to get rid of than creatures. Tutelage costs 1 more and can't attack, but is that worth a whole star??

But then it hit me: What if YOU want to get rid of the "Draw card and lose life" effect? What if you're at 2 life and don't want to risk it?

You either have to man up and take a chance with the drawing, or be main-decking Naturalize-esque spells. With the Confidant, if you're low on life, your opponent won't block it, because they think that he'll kill your himself. That's the time when you should do sneaky tricks (like Tainted Strike).
TitansFTW
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I love using this with scry and miracle, just because you aren't technically drawing because of this guy. Fix a land on top of your library, then put a Temporal Mastery below it. Pay 0 life for a free land in hand, then guarantee an extra turn for 1Blue.
Ratazana
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Fast guy that can give you 1 or 2 cards.

In my opinion you must use him to aggro, otherwise, it can be removed and go away without doing his job.

Just use Predator's Gambit if he hits the board quickly!
Pipikako
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You see kids, this is the card !
bckozuszek
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
Land's edge deck any one. makes perfect sense with this card.
blurrymadness
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (4 votes)
It took a long time to realize why this guy is so good.
-Beats on control for 2 (I.E. he's on curve)
-2 drop that demands removal
-Card advantage or card neutrality virtually guaranteed
-Legal in every format he could be legal in.

The fact that he's 2 mana for this effect is part of what's so brutal. He's the cheapest/earliest way to get it AND you get to start attacking.

May get a reprint in the modern masters. Here's hoping!
ZimmerRemmiz
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0) (3 votes)
As of Dragon's Maze Bob is a Zombie, Blood Scrivener, same mana cost, same power and toughness, used to be a Human Wizard, now he's a Zombie Wizard, and potentially more powerful in the right deck, plus his flavor text is awesome "Make Sure you bleed the fine print."...
TyomDrettar
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The moment when someone Dark Confidants into a Duskmantle Seer on camera... ABOUT TIME
Rlcarioca
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Life for cards, best combination ever.
I really miss the old Skull...Believe I'm not the only one...
A3Kitsune
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Being reprinted in Modern Masters. As a mythic.
webrru
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
Isochron Scepter and Trickbind
Continue
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Something about this guy that's rather easy to forget is that even ignoring his amazing card advantage effect, he can still attack as a Goblin Piker. A utility card that can also do decent damage? Awww yiss.
SystemSCSnake
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0) (4 votes)
Heaaavily overrated. Overpriced too.
SerGarlan
★☆☆☆☆ (1.6/5.0) (4 votes)
Can we all agree that this is both a powerful but also overated and overpriced card?
I can see the value in it through a deck building perspective. I cannot see how it's a 50 dollar card.
mattrva77
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Gingimaru -- kind of. he gives you the card on your upkeep technically, not the draw step. so you have upkeep, he gives you a card and you lose appropriate life, then you draw for the turn.
Gingimaru
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@mattrva77 - Ah ok thanks :) Just wanted to be sure i got it right. Not like i have one :/