Still a great card after all these years and everything that can be said about it pretty much has been already. I'm just glad to see it surface once more.
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☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Worse than it once was, but still pretty damn cool.
Infernaldarkness
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(8 votes)
Remember, the "new" Legendary Rule applied now. http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/248f Slightly weaker than it used to be, but still has its place.
SyntheticDreamer
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
It doesn't kill your opponent's legendary creatures anymore, but bonus points for the flavor text.
CogMonocle
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(9 votes)
...what the hell! so you mean instead of killing an insanely powerful creature all I get is an insanely powerful creature? worthless.
Plantix
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Is that Nic Cage?
Purplerooster
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Becomes the best creature on the battlefield for the given situation.
Now that Clone has been hampered by the new legendary rule, I think they could start experimenting with him in ways that he could still be a good answer to untargetable creates.
Examples:
You may have Izzet Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it gains haste. (i.e. "screw you Progenitus/Marit Lage/ect.")
Flash You may have Simic Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it gets a +1/+1 counter. (2-for-1 if you cast it after they swing)
Evil Twin has already started this trend, it'd make an interesting cycle if they did one for each color.
DarthParallax
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Because it just would have been awkward to CHANGE EVERYTHING about his rules and then NOT reprint him, y'know? XD
alextfish
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Except this version has horrible, horrible flavour text.
I wouldn't really say the new legend rule "hampers" him. He gets to be your own copy of Kamahl, Fist of Krosa or Tolsimir Wolfblood or whatever. It was pretty strange for blue to have a 4 mana Hero's Demise anyway.
How would this interact with Gideon, Champion of Justice when he is in Creature-Planeswalker mode? My bet is that it would come in with no loyalty counters. "one copies exactly what was printed on the original creature and nothing more (unless that creature is copying something else or is a token; see below). It doesn't copy whether that creature is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it or Auras attached to it, or any non-copy effects that have changed its power, toughness, types, color, or so on." .... And would he be able to use his loyalty abilities o other turns?
Your answer can be found by reading the bolded (EDIT: autocarded the text to make reading way easier; all the links in the rules quotes are, of course, garbage) text in the order I've presented it. The rest of the text has been copied to reinforce that conclusion if you don't believe me - which would be absurd because everything presented here is a direct quote.
"You may have Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield."
"0: Until end of turn, Gideon, Champion of Justice becomes a Human Soldier creature with power and toughness each equal to the number of loyalty counters on him and gains indestructible. He's still a planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to him this turn."
"Gideon, Champion of Justice's second ability causes him to become a creature with the creature types Human and Soldier. He remains a planeswalker with the planeswalker type Gideon. (He also retains any other card types or subtypes he may have had.) Each subtype is correlated to the proper card type: Gideon is just a planeswalker type (not a creature type), and Human and Soldier are just creature types (not planeswalker types)."
"Planeswalkers have loyalty. A planeswalker enters the battlefield with a number of loyalty counters on it equal to the number printed in its lower right corner. Activating one of its abilities may cause it to gain or lose loyalty counters. Damage dealt to a planeswalker causes that many loyalty counters to be removed from it. If it has no loyalty counters on it, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard as a state-based action."
"Clone copies exactly what was printed on the original creature and nothing more (unless that creature is copying something else or is a token; see below). It doesn't copy whether that creature is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it or Auras attached to it, or any non-copy effects that have changed its power, toughness, types, color, or so on."
"208.3. A noncreature permanent has no power or toughness, even if it’s a card with a power and toughness printed on it (such as a Licid that’s become an Aura)."
"706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied."
"706.2a A copy acquires the color of the object it's copying because that value is derived from its mana cost or color indicator. A copy acquires the abilities of the object it's copying because those values are derived from its rules text. A copy doesn't wind up with two values of each ability (that is, it doesn't copy the object's abilities and its rules text, then have that rules text define a new set of abilities)."
Conclusion:
Clone enters as Gideon, Champion of Justice (Planeswalker - Gideon) (2WW) with 4 loyalty counters and all of Gideon's loyalty abilities (in other words, Clone has become Gideon himself, in all ways). Why? You said it yourself: Clone doesn't copy any changes that have been made to the card. Gideon's temporary typing (Planeswalker Creature - Human Soldier Gideon) just made him a valid object to use for Clone's self-replacement effect. Congratulations, you just copied a planeswalker.
EDIT 2: Now would be a good time to remind you that you'd have to play Clone on your opponent's turn in order for this to work since Gideon is no longer a creature after the turn ends. The cards listed below, in combination, remedy this.
Assuming I'm right, I'd appreciate it if this could be raised into the top comments for others to see.
redjujufish
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Unfortunately, you can't copy your own Planeswalker-Creature. It will copy your Planeswalker's type, and then, since there are two "Gideon" type Planeswalkers in play, one will be removed when state based effects are checked.
See: "306.4. If a player controls two or more planeswalkers that share a planeswalker type, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "planeswalker uniqueness rule." See rule 704."
Phaeoxen
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I love this card. I wish it would get some frickin new art for a change, but I love it nonetheless.
I also like how it works in EDH better with the rules change. Instead of your opponents wanting to punch you in the face because you keep offing their commanders, you can have their super special shiny legendary on your field too! The way it should be, really.
And even though there are "better" clones these days, with Phyrexian Metamorph and Phantasmal Image running around, this guy will always be my favorite.
4/5 Easily.
Funky1
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
What happens in the case that a card like Archetype of Aggression is cloned? Does nobody get trample? Does everybody? Does the multiverse explode?
cotf1692
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Funky1 If you clone your opponent's archetype, everyone loses the key word. No implosion, they just say your opponents can't gain thing.
I am hoping we get a new clone in Journey to Nyx! Like Phyrexian Metamorph but just trade all instances of artifact with enchantment. Maybe even come up with a way to work bestow that isn't crazy complicated
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I'm just glad to see it surface once more.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/248f
Slightly weaker than it used to be, but still has its place.
Examples:
You may have Izzet Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it gains haste. (i.e. "screw you Progenitus/Marit Lage/ect.")
Flash
You may have Simic Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it gets a +1/+1 counter. (2-for-1 if you cast it after they swing)
Evil Twin has already started this trend, it'd make an interesting cycle if they did one for each color.
I wouldn't really say the new legend rule "hampers" him. He gets to be your own copy of Kamahl, Fist of Krosa or Tolsimir Wolfblood or whatever. It was pretty strange for blue to have a 4 mana Hero's Demise anyway.
-Clone choses to be a 2/2 clone-
*your opponent seems confused.*
-You play Progenitor mimic... copy clone-
SHENANIGANS!!!
"How would this interact with Gideon, Champion of Justice when he is in Creature-Planeswalker mode?"
Well...
Your answer can be found by reading the bolded (EDIT: autocarded the text to make reading way easier; all the links in the rules quotes are, of course, garbage) text in the order I've presented it. The rest of the text has been copied to reinforce that conclusion if you don't believe me - which would be absurd because everything presented here is a direct quote.
"You may have Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield."
"0: Until end of turn, Gideon, Champion of Justice becomes a Human Soldier creature with power and toughness each equal to the number of loyalty counters on him and gains indestructible. He's still a planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to him this turn."
"Gideon, Champion of Justice's second ability causes him to become a creature with the creature types Human and Soldier. He remains a planeswalker with the planeswalker type Gideon. (He also retains any other card types or subtypes he may have had.) Each subtype is correlated to the proper card type: Gideon is just a planeswalker type (not a creature type), and Human and Soldier are just creature types (not planeswalker types)."
"Planeswalkers have loyalty. A planeswalker enters the battlefield with a number of loyalty counters on it equal to the number printed in its lower right corner. Activating one of its abilities may cause it to gain or lose loyalty counters. Damage dealt to a planeswalker causes that many loyalty counters to be removed from it. If it has no loyalty counters on it, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard as a state-based action."
"Clone copies exactly what was printed on the original creature and nothing more (unless that creature is copying something else or is a token; see below). It doesn't copy whether that creature is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it or Auras attached to it, or any non-copy effects that have changed its power, toughness, types, color, or so on."
"208.3. A noncreature permanent has no power or toughness, even if it’s a card with a power and
toughness printed on it (such as a Licid that’s become an Aura)."
"706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied."
"706.2a A copy acquires the color of the object it's copying because that value is derived from its mana cost or color indicator. A copy acquires the abilities of the object it's copying because those values are derived from its rules text. A copy doesn't wind up with two values of each ability (that is, it doesn't copy the object's abilities and its rules text, then have that rules text define a new set of abilities)."
Conclusion:
Clone enters as Gideon, Champion of Justice (Planeswalker - Gideon) (2WW) with 4 loyalty counters and all of Gideon's loyalty abilities (in other words, Clone has become Gideon himself, in all ways). Why? You said it yourself: Clone doesn't copy any changes that have been made to the card. Gideon's temporary typing (Planeswalker Creature - Human Soldier Gideon) just made him a valid object to use for Clone's self-replacement effect. Congratulations, you just copied a planeswalker.
EDIT 2: Now would be a good time to remind you that you'd have to play Clone on your opponent's turn in order for this to work since Gideon is no longer a creature after the turn ends. The cards listed below, in combination, remedy this.
See also:
One of...
Memnarch
Liquimetal Coating
Argent Mutation
Mycosynth Lattice
with...
March of the Machines
and...
Clone
Phantasmal Image
Evil Twin
Phyrexian Metamorph
etc.
Assuming I'm right, I'd appreciate it if this could be raised into the top comments for others to see.
See: "306.4. If a player controls two or more planeswalkers that share a planeswalker type, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "planeswalker uniqueness rule." See rule 704."
I also like how it works in EDH better with the rules change. Instead of your opponents wanting to punch you in the face because you keep offing their commanders, you can have their super special shiny legendary on your field too! The way it should be, really.
And even though there are "better" clones these days, with Phyrexian Metamorph and Phantasmal Image running around, this guy will always be my favorite.
4/5 Easily.
If you clone your opponent's archetype, everyone loses the key word. No implosion, they just say your opponents can't gain thing.
I am hoping we get a new clone in Journey to Nyx! Like Phyrexian Metamorph but just trade all instances of artifact with enchantment. Maybe even come up with a way to work bestow that isn't crazy complicated