This card is a 3/3 creature for 6 mana. Horrible ability. Seriously, how many creatures are gonna die after turn six? How many TURNS are there gonna be after turn six?
davidhuman
★★☆☆☆ (2.4/5.0)(5 votes)
yeah pretty much only good in multiplayer. unless you reanimate him, but not really worth doing for a 3/3 with no immediate effect.
Stoo
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(3 votes)
too slow, maybe drop stats by 1 and cost by 2 or 3 to make it worth while
Aglet
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(8 votes)
I would have to disagree. In a Jund color deck, a sacrifice engine (scarland thrinax or spawning pit for example) and a source of token generation (sprouting thrinax, spawining pit, fists of ironwood, morbid bloom, mycoloth) you could immediately start machine-gunning your opponent. With good mana acceleration this could happen turn four or five.
Th3_Dark_On3
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0)(7 votes)
You do realize this can instantly wipe the board of all 1/1's when something dies, right? At least all the 1/1's you want to kill. Example: Your creature dies. I put a counter on Deathbringer Thoctar. I remove the counter to kill your 1/1. It died so thoctar gets a counter... rinse and repeat as necessary. Awesome card.
SavageBrain89
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(3 votes)
This card definitely has powerful potential. With the correct set up of creatures and spells it can easily machine gun almost every creature your opponent(s) control.
Dingo777
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(11 votes)
all it needs is death touch and it is a one sided damnation, hmm how to give it death touch *spots Death Baron hanging out over to the side of the field oooooh yeah just need 1 person to die now *finds myself in grixis wait, I am in a world filled with black mana HOW DO I NOT KILL A CREATURE HERE
The_Somnambulist
★☆☆☆☆ (1.3/5.0)(3 votes)
I would follow up this card with Malfegor, then no matter in 1-on-1 or multiplayer, this thing would be huge and you could potentially either attack for big dmg or maching gun them directly in the face with it, or even better, do both. Of course machine gunning creatures is a great way to go too, but if you use the above combo, you could end up doing alot more dmg. that way.
Iwaaan
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(3 votes)
People ripping on this card aren't really thinking about what it can do once combined with the right cards. In a zombie deck, this card has unlimited potential.
If you can create a combo with bouncing things to and from the graveyard, Deathbringer Thoctar becomes a freaking beast with infinite power and toughness that can deal an infinite number of damage. Him being a zombie only makes him that much better......definitely an under rated card and without question one that should be a part of any zombie or COMBO deck (seriously, the combo ability on this is amazing).
Also, some of you are dead set that because it needs 6 mana to play, it won't come out until late in the game. Really???? Mana resource cards aren't hard to come by, and having them in your deck makes deathbringer thoctar that much easier to play early in the game.
asmallcat
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(5 votes)
Undoubtedly you could find lots of comboes with this card, but you'd have to look outside of standard to do it. Just not that great for a 6-drop, and there are certainly better 6-drops out there in this block like broodmate dragon
voltmaster
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(5 votes)
In my death deck. This easily makes it to the top of my favorite cards. Quietus Spike, in combo with this card, creates a unlimited amount of killing, as soon as another creature dies first. An since every card in my deck is based on death, this creature grows quickly even without the spike.
God_of_Destruction
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(3 votes)
pair this with death baron and u have a permanent Terminate in the battlefield...jst kill one creature and ur all set...i have a black-red zombie discard deck running this card to its ultimate potential... try to imagine the lock down... tsk...tsk...
Kenji18
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Quietus Spike would be quite lovely with this guy, as would Fists of the Demigod if you are on more of a budget. He does need a little bit of something to get started with the +1/+1 counters, though.
Universalis
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
The text on Quietous Spike says combat damage, so Deathbringer Thoctar's ability doesn't trigger the Spike's effect, am I wrong?
AncientSnake
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(4 votes)
Oh, now I relized there's Gorgon Flail - M10 sweetness with this card.
Also Quietus Spike grants deathtouch as well.
ColossusofSardia
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(6 votes)
I was just playing a zombie deck today with this guy out and he was pinging creatures ridiculously fast especially since it was a big multiplayer game. I had him out then put down a Lightning Reaver and nobody was happy with me after that point.
Ciper
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(2 votes)
The ability on Deathbringer Thoctor's ablilty won't tigger the ability on the spike, but, you still get the deathtouch. Use that to clear out any possiable blockers, then attack and that will tigger it.
BrutalJim
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Other than the fact you can wipe out all the 1/1s on the board this card doesn't seem all too great. Of course I see some great combo potential but other than that it's just a 1/1 wiper which isn't all too amazing except against token decks. 4/5 just for the fact of the combo potential.
Iiory
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(3 votes)
slow!only 3/3 for a start and for 6 mana,if he had a devour it could be better,still in a jund deck he can be very powerful but in jund there is always something bigger,better and much,much more hungry then this
Rainyday2012
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(3 votes)
Meh. Too slow, too easily killed. Good ability, the cost is the problem.
GrimGorgonBC
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0)(2 votes)
play a darkritual and play this suker early, then shock/terminate a creature, and hold on cuz is fairy mowdown heaven! Like the Wild Bunch!Elves pay dearly as well, oh and dont frget goblins! In a big multigame, there are alot more targets. Or store up some counters over a couple turns and nail 'em for Big, or wack his creature and attack him.
RJTheDestroyer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
You can remove multiple +1/+1 counters from him in a single turn to kill things bigger than 1/1s right? Or are you only able to remove one counter per turn?
MasterOfEtherium
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(5 votes)
Thoctars Are Tight In General Make It A Zombie And We Got A Movie. Plus Its Ability Is Devasting It Has No Cost! And Obviously All You ***gots Hatin On This Have Never Picked One Up In Draft
I was playing in a 5 person free for all and someone played Thoctar with a gorgon's flail on it. Once it had one +1/+1 on it it could kill infinitely many creatures. She wiped out 12 creatures in one turn. This card has amazing potential in the right deck.
Arachibutyrophobia
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(3 votes)
That goblin is thinking:
"DO NOT WANT!!!!"
Plantboy81
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(2 votes)
To Tezz: To answer your tokens to GY question, unless the new rules changed this, when token creatures die they first go to the GY then are immediately RFG'd, so the ability triggers. Regarding the playability of this card, if you have the right combo (and there are more than one) it can be devastating, otherwise it's not much of a game changer IMO. I think it works better in Jund colors that Grixis.
if only this and Godhead of Awe wasn't such an awkward combo. tho with blue in grixis it might just work
otherwise all you need is a gorgon flail, or a quietus spike, and this suddenly becomes an infinite kill spell, though shroud sadly gets around it.
rithrim
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(3 votes)
combo: this plus unscythe killer of kings plus death baron. once something dies, you can use the plus one counters to clear the board, spawning a horde of zombies with deathtouch.
Kryptnyt
★★★☆☆ (3.4/5.0)(4 votes)
Blade of the Bloodchief to wipe 2/2s instead of just 1/1s, and to get bonuses when you wipe 1/1s.
CatsAreCthala
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Great potential, good finisher, those goblins bout to be +1/+1 tokens.
Tezz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
can you kill tokens for counters or dont they count since they dont really go to GY? @plantboy: thx jund likes clear boards more than grixis i agree, tho grixis gets deathtouch easier
My FAVORITE zombie card. 4 of them out at once means no one can stand in your way. Or two of them with one having Deathtouch and a Reasembiling Skeleton means you win. Period.
ClockworkSwordfish
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
There is no annoying warmup time if you have an instant-speed sacrifice ready. Eldrazi tokens, maybe? This also means that you can ping all 1/1s and deal 1 damage to your opponent if they kill it immediately. If it's countered, though, you're still out of luck.
Plaguemaw Beast, if you're gonna run the jund sacrifice. Okay so sacrifice - hey a counter! to prliferate - oh, another one! Mortician Beetle is happy too :D
Werny
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I have 4 of these in my Wither deck just as an absurd win condition. Black Sun's Zenith usually does a good job of netting him all those counters, or Massacre Wurm, Everlasting Torment means he can start withering everything to death, and some nice proliferate cards help him along quite nicely too. Going to have to think of a way to get him out quicker though, as people have said it's hard to grab those counters on turn 6.
Mister_Tapwater
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Would this be broken at 5 mana? Triskelion is colourless and does more or less the same thing without having to jump through as many hoops, whereas this guy costs two colours and is the same CMC. I do like how once he gets going he can clear the board of 1/1s straight away though...
JFM2796
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I really wish I still had this card. This was one of my first couple of cards, I wish I realized good it would be with cards like Basilisk Collar (I actually had one too). Thanks for the memories Deathbringer!
Khultar
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
any 1/1s die with no cost, this card is just amazing. best thoctar.
This is good but it takes too long to play and doesn't buff up as fast as others. It'll be better if it destroyed all creatures that cost less than 6 to play when it enters the battlefield in addition to its trigger ability. Then it would be useful.
why the hell is it the first time i see this card? its so awesome! a lot of potential for jund. a LOT.
BobbySinclair
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
My opponent had amassed an army of several dozen 1/1 goblins thanks to Krenko, Mob Boss during one of our EDH games. I had one, maybe two blockers. Even with a decent amount of life remaining, it was clear I was dead next turn. I had a turn to do something... anything! What did I draw? This. This guy munches on 1/1's like they're M&M's. I was running a graveyard shenanigans deck, so I was able to sacrifice one of my creatures. And that one, precious, beautiful +1/1 counter on Deathbringer Thoctar is what allowed me to simply destroy his goblin army, one squealing POP at a time. So many opponents underestimate this guy, but when played correctly, and if the stars align, he may just win you the game.
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*spots Death Baron hanging out over to the side of the field
oooooh yeah just need 1 person to die now
*finds myself in grixis
wait, I am in a world filled with black mana HOW DO I NOT KILL A CREATURE HERE
If you can create a combo with bouncing things to and from the graveyard, Deathbringer Thoctar becomes a freaking beast with infinite power and toughness that can deal an infinite number of damage. Him being a zombie only makes him that much better......definitely an under rated card and without question one that should be a part of any zombie or COMBO deck (seriously, the combo ability on this is amazing).
Also, some of you are dead set that because it needs 6 mana to play, it won't come out until late in the game. Really???? Mana resource cards aren't hard to come by, and having them in your deck makes deathbringer thoctar that much easier to play early in the game.
Also Quietus Spike grants deathtouch as well.
"DO NOT WANT!!!!"
Yesterday, I killed 10 creatures in a turn.
One of the best cards actually.
otherwise all you need is a gorgon flail, or a quietus spike, and this suddenly becomes an infinite kill spell, though shroud sadly gets around it.
@plantboy: thx
jund likes clear boards more than grixis i agree, tho grixis gets deathtouch easier
What this needs is Corpsejack Menace