It's a good idea as red is usually hurting really bad for draw. The issue is that cost - double red can be very hard to hit early if you're not mono-color, which is ideally when you'd want to play this. Most likely your other color is going to have a better, more accessible draw spell.
.Blaze.
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(3 votes)
Great card for mono red decks. Should see some play.
ereidivh
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
I've been running Dangerous Wager for red card draw recently. This works better as a hand fixer than as draw, and would occupy a different place. Not shabby, good as a common.
3.5/5
DarthParallax
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(2 votes)
Something somewhere is going to blow up in Wizards' faces. They are giving too many colors too much push. Some of the pushes are little, like this one, but they're doing it at the same time as they're pushing a lot of other things. Something will blow sky-high. Can't. Wait. 8D
jsttu
★★☆☆☆ (2.9/5.0)(5 votes)
Likes to be reverberated, as the discard won't be copied as well, making it : discard a card, draw 4.
lorendorky
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
If Madness comes back in Ravnica all of this red discard draw tech will be instantly buffed * a lot.
Shadoflaam
★★☆☆☆ (2.2/5.0)(3 votes)
Wow, this will be awesome for my UR Delver deck!
Astronautic_Bullfrog
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(2 votes)
There is absolutely zero reason to play this in any format where Faithless Looting is legal. Even when its not, this still won't be good enough.
darkgnosis
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(3 votes)
I believe that this will always put a counter on Pyromancer Ascension. Can anybody confirm / tell me why this isn't the case (as I will likely put it in my deck if it does)
Eternal_Blue
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0)(2 votes)
I am looking forward to this card the most of any in M13. Perhaps I will be disappointed like how I was with Dangerous Wager, which turned out to be garbage. But maybe, just maybe, this card will be another Faithless Looting. Here's hoping!
majinara
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
After playing this card, you will have as many cards on your hand as before, except that you also paid two mana. And if you play reanimator, you also play black, where the double red mana cost here hurts a lot.
Sure, you can dump anger in your graveyard,though you could also just play it and deal some damage or block some. And you reach threshold faster, but book burning does that more efficiently. 1.5/5
@jsttu: You are not correct. If you reverberate it, then you spent three cards (this card, the discarded one and reverberate) to draw four. Or in other words: you spend far too much mana and a combo to increase the number of cards on hand by one.
Binaro
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
At first, I was like "WTF RED DIVINATION YER OUTTA LINE WIZURDS" But when I really think about it, it makes sense, and it fits in with red. Divination(blue): "Let's think about this a little more. It's okay to spend a little more time(mana) as long as we can get the results done a-okay." Sign in Blood(black): "JUST SHUT UP AND TAKE MY LIFE I just want some cards." This(red): As I see more and more cards, I notice one thing: red really likes to gamble. It really does! Faithless Looting, Desperate Ravings, Mad Prophet, etc. All of them have this one thing to them: you don't know whether or not what you draw will be worth more than what you discard. It's really like gambling, and this is no different. I shall give this 4/5, because of how well Sign in Blood works out. Despite having to discard, I can see the discarding part becoming an advantage if used correctly.
fibonacci112358
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
As has been said multiple times already - this card is NOT amazing unless you have something useful to do with the discarded cards.
It is an important feature of the colour pie that Red does not get the same raw card advantage that blue does. This card is a net zero for two coloured mana, but provides filtering. It CAN be useful if the selectively discarded card is useful in your graveyard.
Laguz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I would have loved to have this back in odyssey. It would have been sweet to run in r/g mongrel. I discard anger.
Kryptnyt
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Monored dredge. It could happen.
MindAblaze
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
The only reason I wouldn't play this card is because it costs two red. Faithless Looting has taught us that drawing a net of -1 card can still be playable. We're still in Innistrad standard so cards still go to the graveyard. It would be better if the discard happened after but that's ok. You're still digging two cards deeper in your primarily red deck. So there's only Searing Spears and bum burn spells to pick from, but let's get creative. It's basically...look at your hand, choose target reanimation target/flashback spell and discard it. Draw two cards.
Asmodi0000
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This is an awesome spell if it's the only one in your hand when an opponent plays a card like Word of Command.
"Hmm, I wonder what card I'm about to control..." "Oh hey, why don't you take a..."
Lotsofpoopy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card would go great in my mono red control deck.
Morgaledh
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Badass art is badass.
zipec
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I don't see this card being usefull in most red deck. Its basically pay {R}{R} and replace a card (hopefully one you dont need) with random draw. There is very little reason I would play that. Only with something crazy like Blast from the Past or Fiery Temper.
If you play mono-red and are chomping through your deck fast, rather use Browbeat and/or Reforge the Soul from the previous set - theese are great red draws.
EDIT: I was mistaken, my problem was Wild Guess simply can't be taken as draw engine. However it is solid when you use grave or situational spells. Discard Thunderous Wrath when it stucks in your hand or any other sorcery when you play Runechanter's Pike etc. 2.5/5
PS: As for the idea of Reverberating it: you lose 3 card and draw 4 for the cost of {R}{R}{R}{R}. Both cards deserve better use.
Totema
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This would have been really something if the discard wasn't part of the cost. As is, it's decent for sifting but there are better options.
AirlockFart
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Personally, I think this card is great! faithless looting is a good card, but the problem with it is the "draw two cards, then discard two cards." This card trades 1 cookie for 2 cookies. It's that simple.
sonorhC
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@darkgnosis: Why would this put a counter on Pyromancer Ascension? There's no reason to expect you'd already have one in your graveyard when you cast this. Unless you're thinking that the discarded card would do it? Because that card probably wouldn't be another Wild Guess.
boochaca
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
i have this, Faithless Looting and Angel of Glory's Rise in a deck :P i enjoy discarding all my humans until i get the angel :D then they all come back :3
Ligerman30
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This is essentially, RR {art} Sorcery Cycle target card from your hand. Draw a card.
Now think of all the cards you would love to cycle. Squee, Goblin Nabob anyone? or reanimation targets? Hell, even lands late game?
As for using the graveyard, meh, it's nice to discard an anger or something like that but, wild guess is just solid card filtering, it's not really nessecarry. I use this in pretty much all red EDH builds alongside faithless looting because it's about as good as you can get assuming you're not playing blue or black also. Not optimal overall, but gets the job done to keep the train chugging and that's all red can really ask for.
And I have to say I'm quite pleased with red getting a lot better at draw/filter lately from faithless looting, reforge the soul, and this. Keep up the good work wotc. Hopefully they will ship us red players some new goodies in m14.
4/5
EvilDarkVoid
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@zipec: Browbeat is not red draw. Browbeat is a 3 cmc deal 5 damage to a player burn spell, with the drawback of it won't ever finish anyone off and in multiplayer everyone else chooses who it hits.
jetzine
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Crap. My bad. I misread the card. The discard is part of the cost. The cards you really want in this case then are Dangerous Wager and Regorge the Soul.
Fawxkitteh
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
My experience with this card? Oh, I got Past in Flames way too early. Well if the game goes on too long, you'll still be seeing all those burn spells again.
Red's card draws are more about making sure you have the right options. Even Blast of Genius and Thoughtflare play with similar an idea. Izzet in style for sure.
TheWrathofShane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Madness, reanimation, unearth, flashback, whatever. Wouldnt use this unless I was taking advantage of something like that. Would rather just put another burn spell in RDW over this.
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3.5/5
Sure, you can dump anger in your graveyard,though you could also just play it and deal some damage or block some. And you reach threshold faster, but book burning does that more efficiently. 1.5/5
@jsttu:
You are not correct. If you reverberate it, then you spent three cards (this card, the discarded one and reverberate) to draw four. Or in other words: you spend far too much mana and a combo to increase the number of cards on hand by one.
But when I really think about it, it makes sense, and it fits in with red.
Divination(blue): "Let's think about this a little more. It's okay to spend a little more time(mana) as long as we can get the results done a-okay."
Sign in Blood(black): "JUST SHUT UP AND TAKE MY LIFE I just want some cards."
This(red): As I see more and more cards, I notice one thing: red really likes to gamble. It really does! Faithless Looting, Desperate Ravings, Mad Prophet, etc. All of them have this one thing to them: you don't know whether or not what you draw will be worth more than what you discard. It's really like gambling, and this is no different.
I shall give this 4/5, because of how well Sign in Blood works out. Despite having to discard, I can see the discarding part becoming an advantage if used correctly.
It is an important feature of the colour pie that Red does not get the same raw card advantage that blue does. This card is a net zero for two coloured mana, but provides filtering. It CAN be useful if the selectively discarded card is useful in your graveyard.
Faithless Looting has taught us that drawing a net of -1 card can still be playable. We're still in Innistrad standard so cards still go to the graveyard. It would be better if the discard happened after but that's ok. You're still digging two cards deeper in your primarily red deck. So there's only Searing Spears and bum burn spells to pick from, but let's get creative. It's basically...look at your hand, choose target reanimation target/flashback spell and discard it. Draw two cards.
"Hmm, I wonder what card I'm about to control..."
"Oh hey, why don't you take a..."
If you play mono-red and are chomping through your deck fast, rather use Browbeat and/or Reforge the Soul from the previous set - theese are great red draws.
EDIT: I was mistaken, my problem was Wild Guess simply can't be taken as draw engine. However it is solid when you use grave or situational spells. Discard Thunderous Wrath when it stucks in your hand or any other sorcery when you play Runechanter's Pike etc. 2.5/5
PS: As for the idea of Reverberating it: you lose 3 card and draw 4 for the cost of {R}{R}{R}{R}. Both cards deserve better use.
RR
{art}
Sorcery
Cycle target card from your hand.
Draw a card.
Now think of all the cards you would love to cycle. Squee, Goblin Nabob anyone? or reanimation targets? Hell, even lands late game?
As for using the graveyard, meh, it's nice to discard an anger or something like that but, wild guess is just solid card filtering, it's not really nessecarry. I use this in pretty much all red EDH builds alongside faithless looting because it's about as good as you can get assuming you're not playing blue or black also. Not optimal overall, but gets the job done to keep the train chugging and that's all red can really ask for.
And I have to say I'm quite pleased with red getting a lot better at draw/filter lately from faithless looting, reforge the soul, and this. Keep up the good work wotc. Hopefully they will ship us red players some new goodies in m14.
4/5
Oh, I got Past in Flames way too early. Well if the game goes on too long, you'll still be seeing all those burn spells again.
Red's card draws are more about making sure you have the right options. Even Blast of Genius and Thoughtflare play with similar an idea. Izzet in style for sure.