I used to love the Honden, over all Honden of Infinite Rage and Honden of Seeing Winds! When you have in play one honden it isn't nothing special, but if you have two(different, obviously) hondens, then the advantage can become very strong! 4.5/5 to the blue and red ones
It says for each shrine you control, obviously implying shrine as an enchantment subtype. but what if a creature had the shrine subtype, such as changelings? they are completely different, yet the card nor the rulings specify this.
DoctorKenneth
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
@Colossus: Shrine is not a creature type. It is an enchantment subtype, thus the changelings would not have it, and no extra effect is gained. Currently, there is no way I can think of to apply the shrine subtype to any other permanenet, even other enchantments. You can turn the shrines into creatures. You can turn creatures into enchantments. But you can't turn anything into a shrine.
Further more, changelings should be shrines, they aren't, because shrine isn't a creature type, but when Opalescence is in play, what creature type do you think it is? I mean is it a 5/5 with no subtype and SHRINE just sitting there like a big dork?
I'm pretty sure, that like Dryad Arbor, which should give all changelings the ability to be picked up by Nature's Lore, it doesn't because of this silly thing they had to add, "Forest is a land type. Dryad is a creature type."
If they bring it back, then I think they need to separate subtypes a little better, creatures with multiple types, like a mountain goat, needs to say = Land|Creature-Mountain|Goat.
Honden of Seeing Winds 5/5 Enchantment|Creature-Shrine|NOTHING
There is no ability to change an enchantment's types, or change the types to an enchantment's type, I also just looked, its an enchantment type, so annoying.
RJDroid
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
I just realized that this shrine, by itself, is a painless Phyrexian Arena. Of course, that's balanced out by the legendary status and the mana cost, but in EDH, who cares about either?
Verdande
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Why on earth were these Shrines so boring? Did they really think a slow Enchantment cycle was going to take over the metagame somehow?
By itself, it does nothing. If you manage to get a couple of other Shrines, congratulations, you have gained some minor benefits in a couple of turns, by which point the game is probably over.
endersblade
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
These shrines cost far too much mana to be of any benefit in a normal 60 card deck. However, I have the Blue, White, and Green one in an enchantment EDH deck, and they are extremely effective. Gain 6 life a turn, 3 1/1 Spirits, and draw three cards. Not to mention the benefits of them being enchantments in an enchantment deck.
Thing is, yes, by themselves they are rather worthless. I'd rather play Howling Mine/Font of Mythos or even Heightened Awareness over this. But being together is what makes them strong.
Aquillion
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
@Verdande: I think you misunderstand. The card is itself a Shrine, so even just on its own, it makes you draw one card a turn.
This card isn't bad. Usually the cost for drawing a card every turn in blue is 4 (Archivist), but this requires less blue commitment and is less vulnerable to removal. In any decent deck, if you get it out and keep it out, this will win you the game all on its own. Sure, it's not the absolute most aggressively-costed card drawing ever, but it's not bad at all, especially in a deck with either Honden of Infinite Rage or Honden of Night's Reach, the other two decent shrines. Since you probably only want to run one of each, you're not likely to get them all out at once; but they're decent enough on their own to be worth it.
jwdavid
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I'm curious, would Godless Shrine be considered a shrine? and if not why not?
CogMonocle
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@jwdavid
check the type line.
MCcreator
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Has anyone else noticed that the Hondens all have the same abilities as their corresponding Zuberas?
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When you have in play one honden it isn't nothing special, but if you have two(different, obviously) hondens, then the advantage can become very strong!
4.5/5 to the blue and red ones
That is honestly a good idea
A Mirror Gallery and Copy Enchantment is probably better though.
Further more, changelings should be shrines, they aren't, because shrine isn't a creature type, but when Opalescence is in play, what creature type do you think it is? I mean is it a 5/5 with no subtype and SHRINE just sitting there like a big dork?
I'm pretty sure, that like Dryad Arbor, which should give all changelings the ability to be picked up by Nature's Lore, it doesn't because of this silly thing they had to add, "Forest is a land type. Dryad is a creature type."
If they bring it back, then I think they need to separate subtypes a little better, creatures with multiple types, like a mountain goat, needs to say = Land|Creature-Mountain|Goat.
Honden of Seeing Winds
5/5
Enchantment|Creature-Shrine|NOTHING
There is no ability to change an enchantment's types, or change the types to an enchantment's type, I also just looked, its an enchantment type, so annoying.
By itself, it does nothing. If you manage to get a couple of other Shrines, congratulations, you have gained some minor benefits in a couple of turns, by which point the game is probably over.
Thing is, yes, by themselves they are rather worthless. I'd rather play Howling Mine/Font of Mythos or even Heightened Awareness over this. But being together is what makes them strong.
This card isn't bad. Usually the cost for drawing a card every turn in blue is 4 (Archivist), but this requires less blue commitment and is less vulnerable to removal. In any decent deck, if you get it out and keep it out, this will win you the game all on its own. Sure, it's not the absolute most aggressively-costed card drawing ever, but it's not bad at all, especially in a deck with either Honden of Infinite Rage or Honden of Night's Reach, the other two decent shrines. Since you probably only want to run one of each, you're not likely to get them all out at once; but they're decent enough on their own to be worth it.
check the type line.