What do you prefer for saccing two untapped lands? Three mana of any color, or four colorless mana instead? Interestingly, the last-named land has the subsequent multiverse id to this card.
Hydrogoose
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(4 votes)
i believe it's actually pronounced lotus P-E-T-A-L
It can be a good match for Second Sunrise, or Life From the Loam. Can get you infinite mana of any color pretty fast with a vast number of two other cards.
True_Smog
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Whoa ! incredible land.
kowrip
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(7 votes)
I don't see what is so good about this land. You need to sacrifice 2 untapped lands to bring this into play. That means that your net mana (3) is the same as if you had used a basic land. The only difference is that you can get 3 of any color mana. This is also a HUGE target when it comes into play because if it's destroyed you lose 3 cards for your opponent's 1 card. Even a Boomerang will be painful since you still lost 2 lands. There are MUCH better ways of getting any color mana nowadays. They could have made this card so that it didn't have such a huge downside. Maybe sacrifice 1 untapped land and have it produce only 2 mana instead.
Teotanek
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(4 votes)
There is difference, if you have less lands than opponet, cards like land tax trigger. Also if you use crucible of worlds, ley druid & friends or any other land punishment, you get an advantage, but even if you don't use this cards, it still means any color, wich is non-drawback fixer. Also, it work's nice with gemstone mine, since it gives you the oportunity to recycle them.
millcity
★☆☆☆☆ (1.9/5.0)(5 votes)
my perfect combo on 1st turn.lotus petal,lotus vale,stifle,grindstone,painters servant.with a force of will and any other blue card in hand. turn 2 activate grindstone,use the force if i have to.thats game.great card with stifle,voidslime,etc.
Very good in a land recursion deck, as some have said. The drawback is not a drawback at all if played in the right deck.
achilleselbow
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(12 votes)
You guys also forget that it makes for a ridiculous combo with things like Garruk Wildspeaker or Argothian Elder.
Also, I wonder how much the original wording was abused before Wizards realized that they had accidentally reprinted Black Lotus, heh.
ForOfTrumps
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(9 votes)
I think that one of the good things about this card is that it can give you more mana to work with for one turn, since you can sac two tapped lands for this, and you still stay on curve. If you're nervous about destruction, there's always Darksteel Garrison.
Bowshewicz
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(6 votes)
I don't think that Stifle would work. According to the new Oracle text, you have to sacrifice the lands due to a replacement effect, not a triggered ability.
As far as I know, there's no way to get Lotus Vale into play without sacrificing the lands.
EternalLurker
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(3 votes)
@ForOfTrumps: Read the f**king card.
Gabriel422
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Would be an interesting reprint in today's world. Might have seen play if only for the color-fixing, and probably enabling Garruk based decks. Also this would have done a nice job dodging Tectonic Edge, the only real land destruction in today's Standard.
Superllama12
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
How could this be a reprint of Black Lotus? Can you tap this, then sacrifice it to get 3 mana?
ShadyBabs
★☆☆☆☆ (1.6/5.0)(4 votes)
If it would at all without saccing the lands then you could tap it for mana in response to the triggered ability requiring you to sack it, essentially making it a new black lotus. For this reason stifle won't work, with the oracle text, it doesn't resolve on the battlefield at all if you don't sack the lands. .
Malnourished_Student
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
@NoobOfLore & EternalLurker...
ForOfTrumps, unless he has edited the text, is clearly describing using Darksteel Garrison to protect the Lotus Vale FROM destruction, not to stop something being sacrificed.
Kryptnyt
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(4 votes)
If I was into the magic market, i'd pick these up. I mean, they changed Time Vault to its original wording. Why haven't they done the same to this? Why do they play favorites like that? Why are certain cards too good for oracle? The power level oracle system seems random.
Dr.Pingas
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
I honestly would love to own and run this card. I just wish it wasn't such a huge target for bounce and destruction. Even Ghost Quarter leaves you terrified to drop this beauty, and Terra Eternal doesn't stop all the blue bounce that isn't nice enough to say non-land
Paolino
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
What??? No, seriously, WHAT???
Dragon_Nut
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(3 votes)
For those wondering why they haven't changed it: As printed, it allows you to get three mana for one turn before you have to sacrifice it. It was never supposed to let you get mana with no sacrifice, so they changed it to prevent that. It's not getting changed back.
nope.avi
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
If it didn't have that ruling it would be almost strictly better than black lotus
LunarAvenger
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
My buddies and i still use it in a cube as a black lotus land. If you don't wanna sack two lands fine, but you are able to get three mana before you sac it.
Replacement effects are static effects and don't use the stack. If you don't sacrifice the lands, you never even get to the point where you're *trying* to put it into play. Your attempt is replaced with "put Lotus Vale in your graveyard." There's no card in the game that stifles a replacement effect. If you really want a brainteaser, consider: what happens when you use the static replacement effect of Vesuva naming Lotus Vale?
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(Yep.)
S-r-ex
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(3 votes)
This card is available in the following languages: No printings of this card in other languages are available at this time.
Bull. A Portugese "Vale dos Lótus" landed in my mailbox just moments ago.
Psychrates
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
They never should've made this card. Planar Birth, Land Tax.
Loompy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
An amazing card. I would sacrifice two of the original dual lands to play it.
Sootoo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Definitely my favorite land card.
Sure, due to Strip Mine and family, it´s pretty risky to play this, but the possibilities of producing infinite mana with this, make me love to take this risk.
play the knight, then sac a land and search this, sac two more, still have 3 mana avaliable, and you've put 3 lands into the yard
D.human
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Life from the Loam + Landfall in a land destruction deck...
Maroon_Lotus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
To be fair, even if they didn't change the wording, they wouldn't have "reprinted black lotus." Because this at least takes up a land drop.
Cousin_Istvan
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(2 votes)
I thought they didn't do power level errata...
Ferlord
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You know what you could use this for?
Having a non-basic land for Tarmogoyf.
See, you COULD play Lotus Vale without sacrificing two other lands. It would just be sacrificed itself. That'd just add an additional +1/+1 for free.
Mind you, playing a fetchland is a much better idea... but... I'm just brainstorming!
Aquillion
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Man oh man. I had one of these cards for so long (traded for it, thought I got ripped off for a while) -- and I never, until after it was errated, realized that it could be literally used like a Black Lotus simply by playing it and tapping it in response to the entered-play trigger. Oh well, too late now.
It's still a decent card, and not even just in a land recursion deck. The removal of mana burn and the steady decline of land destruction have helped it out significantly.
Technetium
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I used to play with this card. On the surface it's beautiful. But then you play it and your opponent follows up next turn with Stone Rain or whatever.
Use with Crucible of Worlds or similar combo. By itself, it can end up deciding the game, against your favor.
Kamishini
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Okay! So I thought of an infinite mana any color combo with this card, Oboro Breezecaller, Patron of the Moon, and two other lands on the field that don't bounce other land.
Step 1: Tap Lotsu Vale for three {W} {U} {B} {R} {G}. Step 2: Pay {2} to bounce misc. land with Oboro Breezecaller's ability. Untap Lotus Vale. One floating mana of the color tapped with Lotus Vale. Step 3: Repeat Step 1 than 2. Two mana floating of any color. Step 4: Pay {1} to place the two land you bounced into play with Patron of the Moon's ability. One mana of any color you choose left floating. Step 5: Repeat Steps 1 through 4 for infinite mana of any color combination!
Yay! I think I semi-redeemed Oboro Breezecaller, with it's absolutely GORGEOUS artwork!
Sorry for any formatting issues, and I'm sure someone else has though of this before, but I didn't see it posted up here so... And I know it's fragile, but hey! Who's gonna suspect Oboro Breezecaller as part of an infinite mana combo?
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
o_O
ummm....yes. well.
it's Black Lotus. even with the penalty, it's still Black Lotus. Yes, at any given time, rather than destroy the Reserved List, they could just Errata Lotus Vale....and then the Dual Land/Moxen/Black Lotus crisis would be partly helped.
This card could rise to a couple hundred if they did that, but I don't think it's rare enough to warrant a Grand. :P
TheWrathofShane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I wonder how long it took them to realize they functionally reprinted black lotus. Its not anymore with the oracle though.
EGarrett01
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Wizards attempts to reprint Black Lotus seem to work out similarly to Wile E. Coyote's attempts to catch the Road Runner.
JunkHarvester
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Crucible of worlds, yes. Knight of the Reliquary, yes. Flagstones of Trokair, yes. But you all failed to mention Sun Titan...
He gets lands back, too.
Also, Cartographer and Harvest Wurm.
non1337
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You can actually cheat this into play if Humility and Living Plane are on the field.
Oh did I just mentioned an insane combo that makes all lands to lose mana abilities?
Nebulium
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A nice little combo with Second Sunrise. On turn three you can play the vale, and tap it for 3 to play the sunrise to get 6 mana available on turn 4. It could potentially go in any deck too since the vale taps for any color, probably best for something with white in it at least though.
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Three mana of any color, or four colorless mana instead?
Interestingly, the last-named land has the subsequent multiverse id to this card.
very nice with stifle.
nice with flagstones of trokair.
it's a very beautiful card, not only the art but its name contains Lotus lol :)
Also, I wonder how much the original wording was abused before Wizards realized that they had accidentally reprinted Black Lotus, heh.
As far as I know, there's no way to get Lotus Vale into play without sacrificing the lands.
ForOfTrumps, unless he has edited the text, is clearly describing using Darksteel Garrison to protect the Lotus Vale FROM destruction, not to stop something being sacrificed.
I mean, they changed Time Vault to its original wording. Why haven't they done the same to this? Why do they play favorites like that? Why are certain cards too good for oracle? The power level oracle system seems random.
No, seriously, WHAT???
Replacement effects are static effects and don't use the stack. If you don't sacrifice the lands, you never even get to the point where you're *trying* to put it into play. Your attempt is replaced with "put Lotus Vale in your graveyard." There's no card in the game that stifles a replacement effect. If you really want a brainteaser, consider: what happens when you use the static replacement effect of Vesuva naming Lotus Vale?
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...
(Yep.)
No printings of this card in other languages are available at this time.
Bull. A Portugese "Vale dos Lótus" landed in my mailbox just moments ago.
Sure, due to Strip Mine and family, it´s pretty risky to play this, but the possibilities of producing infinite mana with this, make me love to take this risk.
I only say Cloud of Faeries - FTW
play the knight, then sac a land and search this, sac two more, still have 3 mana avaliable, and you've put 3 lands into the yard
Having a non-basic land for Tarmogoyf.
See, you COULD play Lotus Vale without sacrificing two other lands. It would just be sacrificed itself. That'd just add an additional +1/+1 for free.
Mind you, playing a fetchland is a much better idea... but... I'm just brainstorming!
It's still a decent card, and not even just in a land recursion deck. The removal of mana burn and the steady decline of land destruction have helped it out significantly.
Use with Crucible of Worlds or similar combo. By itself, it can end up deciding the game, against your favor.
Step 1: Tap Lotsu Vale for three {W} {U} {B} {R} {G}.
Step 2: Pay {2} to bounce misc. land with Oboro Breezecaller's ability. Untap Lotus Vale. One floating mana of the color tapped with Lotus Vale.
Step 3: Repeat Step 1 than 2. Two mana floating of any color.
Step 4: Pay {1} to place the two land you bounced into play with Patron of the Moon's ability. One mana of any color you choose left floating.
Step 5: Repeat Steps 1 through 4 for infinite mana of any color combination!
Yay! I think I semi-redeemed Oboro Breezecaller, with it's absolutely GORGEOUS artwork!
Sorry for any formatting issues, and I'm sure someone else has though of this before, but I didn't see it posted up here so... And I know it's fragile, but hey! Who's gonna suspect Oboro Breezecaller as part of an infinite mana combo?
ummm....yes. well.
it's Black Lotus. even with the penalty, it's still Black Lotus. Yes, at any given time, rather than destroy the Reserved List, they could just Errata Lotus Vale....and then the Dual Land/Moxen/Black Lotus crisis would be partly helped.
This card could rise to a couple hundred if they did that, but I don't think it's rare enough to warrant a Grand. :P
He gets lands back, too.
Also, Cartographer and Harvest Wurm.
Oh did I just mentioned an insane combo that makes all lands to lose mana abilities?