He sows goodwill. Plus, if you aren't playing this with a handful of fatties you are doing it wrong. You need to make sure you profit more than your opponent from this. The political aspect is great for EDH, too.
WarioMan
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Definitely running them in fours.
Huffytreefolkman
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(2 votes)
land destuction mana burn deck maby?
Myrofkoth
★★☆☆☆ (2.3/5.0)(7 votes)
turn one myr superion anyone??
MYR"S FTW
sonorhC
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
He might benefit you more than your opponents, but he still benefits them, too. Given how many other mana acceleration options green has, I'll pass on this one. The net benefit (benefit to you minus benefit to everyone else) isn't worth the card.
@Myrofkoth, this will only get you a first-turn Superion if your opponent was nice enough to cast it for you. This gives you no mana the turn you summon him, because by the time you're able to summon him, the beginning of your precombat main phase has already passed.
endersblade
★★★☆☆ (3.1/5.0)(4 votes)
I love this. My opponents NEVER seem to remember he's in play. In EDH, I'll drop him first turn, everyone will use it that turn, and the next they completely forget he's there. I don't remind them, not my job! I take full advantage of it though! Works great in my Omnath EDH deck!
Zoah
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Doesn't Mana empty from pools at the end of phases? That means you can't use him to summon creatures. Unless I'm being stupid again.
For now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. ****
TheLionsMane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Not turn one guys. You play him, then at the beginning of your NEXT precombat main phase you get GG.
Heh, GG. Rather prophetic, isn't it?
MacBizzle
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(2 votes)
@spirit_of_blue: Hi. You must be new here.
The GG gets added to the mana pool. Whether or not the opponents want to or remember to use it is NOT the controller's responsibility to remind them- that's like telling your opponent every spell that would get rid of your Stuffy Doll that you put into play.
It's players like you that make it so we can't have nice things. Why would you ever coddle someone who CAN'T READ THE BOARD?
spirit_of_blue
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
@ endersblade
My opponents NEVER seem to remember he's in play. In EDH, I'll drop him first turn, everyone will use it that turn, and the next they completely forget he's there. I don't remind them, not my job!
I am sorry, but it is your job! Unless there would be word "may" in text of card, you are responsible for correct processing of this effect. Literally, you are putting {G}{G} into that player's mana pool at begining of precombat phase and if you would omit it, on tournament you would receive warning from judge and if possible game will have to be returned back to status when mistake was done. If you will not add {G}{G} to opponents mana pool repeatedly, you will receive game loss from judge.
Controller of this card is completely responsible for this non-optional effect. Even if not playing on tournament, but just with friends, it is immoral cheating not adding mana on purpose.
@ MacBizzle
No, your example with Stuffy Doll is unrelated to discussed matter. Do you know who is putting that mana into players pool in case of Magus of the Vineyard? It is current controller of card. And since it is triggered delayed ability, it surely have to be announced. You can not play spell or activate ability without announcing it, can you? Ask any DCI judge. ;-)
Some people do anything for win, even cheating.
Ferlord
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A real shame this isn't an Elf, because if it were, it'd be worth a decent amount.
A friend of mine plays it in his EDH deck, and from personal experience, it works against him more than for him. Even if someone was playing a Blue/Black deck, they'd still get .
And unlike Howling Mine, there's no secondary reason to give your opponents the benefit: Howling Mine can be helpful for Milling EDH. It's not like they can lose by having more mana in their mana pool (anymore).
Unlike many of the Magus', this one is overrated. Like Collective Voyage (which is not surprisingly in my same friends deck), players don't see that you've wasted your own mana to help them.
@Zoah, you can use him to cast creatures, it says beginning of the precombat main phase, not upkeep. So he gives you mana and it stays until you go to the Combat Phase.
Vlad74205
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
@spirit_of_blue
Actually, its not cheating. The mana goes into their pool no matter what. This is an automatic action. This is similar to creatures that remained tapped unless its owners pays mana (or life, or...). Nobody declares the trigger goes on the stack, then pays the price or leaves it tapped. They just do it. True, you may hear a person say, "Paying 1 to untap Brass Gnat." However, the majority of the time, they just take care of it.
In this case, the player has the mana to use however they wish. This isn't a creature token that they must have, or an extra card that they should have drawn. The mana is in their pool. If they don't use the mana (just like if they tapped one too many lands), they lose it. What would happen if you forgot your own trigger? You would lose the mana. The game doesn't back up because you weren't paying attention.
You may call it unsportsman like, but I don't waste my time making sure my opponent remembers non critical effects.
psychichobo
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
@Vlad74205: What's it like having no friends?
neongecko06
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
So... Zero Punctuation, anybody?
Missile_Penguin
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Nearly every card in Time Spiral block was a throwback to at least one previously printed card.
This card references Eladamri's Vineyard and is part of the "Magus" super cycle of rare creatures. The Future Sight part of the cycle focuses on powerful enchantments, even matching the mana cost; the others are Magus of the Future, Magus of the Abyss, Magus of the Moon, and Magus of the Moat.
@MacBizzle: Go read the tournament rules again please. What Enderblade describes would be just as much cheating as just tapping lands and putting stuff on the table without announcing anything or waiting for his opponent to pass priority.
As for Magus of the Vineyard, it's a great card that really helps speed up the game in multiplayer. Just make sure your deck can take more advantage of the extra mana than your opponents'. Omnath, Locus of Mana EDH in particular puts the Magus to great use.
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
my mistake. not Magus of the Scroll, THIS is the worst Magus. Mind you, when the worst of a 15 card mega cycle is equal to the best Chancellor of New Phyrexia, that's a pretty good sign you're playing with Power.
Are we really arguing over sportsmanlike or not? -_-
In my opinion, while it IS the right thing to remind your opponents of the Triggers, it is NOT the right thing to try to Officially Enforce this in the Rule Book. In fact I find making it THE RULE pretty much removes everything I liked before about when people did it because it was the right thing.
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MYR"S FTW
@Myrofkoth, this will only get you a first-turn Superion if your opponent was nice enough to cast it for you. This gives you no mana the turn you summon him, because by the time you're able to summon him, the beginning of your precombat main phase has already passed.
For now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
****
Heh, GG. Rather prophetic, isn't it?
Hi. You must be new here.
The GG gets added to the mana pool. Whether or not the opponents want to or remember to use it is NOT the controller's responsibility to remind them- that's like telling your opponent every spell that would get rid of your Stuffy Doll that you put into play.
It's players like you that make it so we can't have nice things. Why would you ever coddle someone who CAN'T READ THE BOARD?
My opponents NEVER seem to remember he's in play. In EDH, I'll drop him first turn, everyone will use it that turn, and the next they completely forget he's there. I don't remind them, not my job!
I am sorry, but it is your job! Unless there would be word "may" in text of card, you are responsible for correct processing of this effect. Literally, you are putting {G}{G} into that player's mana pool at begining of precombat phase and if you would omit it, on tournament you would receive warning from judge and if possible game will have to be returned back to status when mistake was done. If you will not add {G}{G} to opponents mana pool repeatedly, you will receive game loss from judge.
Controller of this card is completely responsible for this non-optional effect. Even if not playing on tournament, but just with friends, it is immoral cheating not adding mana on purpose.
@ MacBizzle
No, your example with Stuffy Doll is unrelated to discussed matter. Do you know who is putting that mana into players pool in case of Magus of the Vineyard? It is current controller of card. And since it is triggered delayed ability, it surely have to be announced. You can not play spell or activate ability without announcing it, can you? Ask any DCI judge. ;-)
Some people do anything for win, even cheating.
A friend of mine plays it in his EDH deck, and from personal experience, it works against him more than for him. Even if someone was playing a Blue/Black deck, they'd still get
And unlike Howling Mine, there's no secondary reason to give your opponents the benefit: Howling Mine can be helpful for Milling EDH. It's not like they can lose by having more mana in their mana pool (anymore).
Unlike many of the Magus', this one is overrated. Like Collective Voyage (which is not surprisingly in my same friends deck), players don't see that you've wasted your own mana to help them.
Actually, its not cheating. The mana goes into their pool no matter what. This is an automatic action. This is similar to creatures that remained tapped unless its owners pays mana (or life, or...). Nobody declares the trigger goes on the stack, then pays the price or leaves it tapped. They just do it. True, you may hear a person say, "Paying 1 to untap Brass Gnat." However, the majority of the time, they just take care of it.
In this case, the player has the mana to use however they wish. This isn't a creature token that they must have, or an extra card that they should have drawn. The mana is in their pool. If they don't use the mana (just like if they tapped one too many lands), they lose it. What would happen if you forgot your own trigger? You would lose the mana. The game doesn't back up because you weren't paying attention.
You may call it unsportsman like, but I don't waste my time making sure my opponent remembers non critical effects.
This card references Eladamri's Vineyard and is part of the "Magus" super cycle of rare creatures. The Future Sight part of the cycle focuses on powerful enchantments, even matching the mana cost; the others are Magus of the Future, Magus of the Abyss, Magus of the Moon, and Magus of the Moat.
The Time Spiral part of the cycle focuses on powerful artifacts: Magus of the Candelabra, Magus of the Disk, Magus of the Mirror, Magus of the Jar, and Magus of the Scroll. The Planar Chaos cycle focuses on powerful lands: Magus of the Bazaar, Magus of the Coffers, Magus of the Tabernacle, Magus of the Arena, and Magus of the Library.
Turn 2: Natural Order into Progenitus
As for Magus of the Vineyard, it's a great card that really helps speed up the game in multiplayer. Just make sure your deck can take more advantage of the extra mana than your opponents'. Omnath, Locus of Mana EDH in particular puts the Magus to great use.
Are we really arguing over sportsmanlike or not? -_-
In my opinion, while it IS the right thing to remind your opponents of the Triggers, it is NOT the right thing to try to Officially Enforce this in the Rule Book. In fact I find making it THE RULE pretty much removes everything I liked before about when people did it because it was the right thing.