How often does that even come up? sideboard card at best.
Donovan_Fabian
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(4 votes)
It comes up often enough with negate and counter spell, but on the other hand its 4 mana instead of 2, or even 1 with some counter spells. I like it, but its usefulness is limited. Frankly I think counter spells more slow down your opponent than provide a win, universally useful while at the same time how many counter spells can you fit in one deck. The majority of top tier decks we see these days simply don't play counter spells, or if they do they are in the form of something that can use multiple choices on one card like cryptic command.
Megrimage
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0)(3 votes)
it is a good card, no doubt about it.. but it is one of those cards that who knows if it will be needed.
point is, sometimes you are playing people who enjoy 4 force of wills and 4 mana drains in a single deck.
Afraid of your counters getting countered by your opponents counters? Now you can counter your opponents counters without fear of your opponents counters countering your counters.
bijart_dauth
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
i admit its usefullnes is limited. but one of my freinds plays a counter deck that wins by stalling untill it gits out its huge creature. then he counters any attemptes you have of stopping it. not any more.
Dregrage
★☆☆☆☆ (1.1/5.0)(5 votes)
I got struck by the ability to negate counters cast on it, but then i analyzed it deeper. A wise player would just counter the original spell, not the counter that countered his counter. (Sorry for the grammatical contortion 'bout counters xP)
3.5
Chosen_of_the_Dark_Sun
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(7 votes)
Basically, this is you looking at your oppoent's spell and going "No."
He casts doom blade, I cast Negate, he casts this, I let this resolve and cast my second negate targeting his doom blade. A counter that can't be countered isn't that good, although it does make it more resistant to dispel
GrimjawxRULES
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(2 votes)
@scumbling1: I don't think that's how the stack works. I'm pretty sure you can't target spells that have already been responded to. Swift Silence could be an exception, but I think that's because it acts kinda like Wrath of God against creatures with Shroud.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
scumbling1
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
EDIT - GrimjawxRules: If a spell is still on the stack, it is still a legal target for other spells and abilities. If a player tries to counter your spell with Last Word, he must pass priority after doing so. You then have the opportunity to add additional instant-speed spells / abilities to the stack, like just going back and countering what you want a second time. Until both players pass priority without doing something, the stack is frozen in time, and nothing plays out.
I have to say that I appreciate you actually wanting to have a discussion about it, though. It's a lot more commendable than the six trolls who can't stand not knowing the rules (and consequently downrated my original post). I thought we were here to talk about cards, rather than hide behind an anonymous rating system.
Also, it's pretty funny that the "cum" from my username gets censored. It clearly wasn't inappropriate when I was signing up my account, but the filter can't seem to comprehend that now.
Pontiac
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(4 votes)
I said NO!
BuffJittePLZ
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This is a nice counter-spell for EDH, where there is a decent chance of someone else playing blue, and this card is best as a one-of.
Gelzo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Very simple and flavorful. Situational to be sure, but it's something that is nice to know exists. I think the art could be better, though.
I think I'd really like to see this printed in a core set with new art.
The3rdEmpire
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(6 votes)
Yo dawg i heard you like countering a counter so we made a counter that can counter a counter so you cant get countered.
OmegaSerris
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(3 votes)
@scumbling Just use an ending square bracket. The one under the curly brackets. Put it anywhere in the word like this: scu)mbling only replace the ).
And on typing this, I found out the curly brackets work too. You don't want to use an opening bracket like "(" because if you use any formatting or mana symbols () then your text between the first opening bracket and the next closing one will all be sucked in and not appear.
The day he was bested was the day Mindbreak Trap was released to the public.
DarthParallax
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
4 stars on the nose is a good rating.
It's a hard counter. Hard counters are good. It's a tricky counter. That's very fine. Yes, it's really obvious that Wizards knows there are ways to play around it- other wise it would cost 3UU, or 3UUU, or XUU where X is the converted mana cost of the spell you're countering. Or something like that.
This costs the same as plain-countering a spell and drawing a card, and I'd say that it's nearly equal value. The Mythic rarity also improves this card a lot, since it isn't really quite worth the top rarity level, and yet I can hardly imagine this being a common spell to learn. It's quite specialized, and difficult to learn I bet. It's certainly useful, it just doesn't do as much as it implies.
What it does, is trigger an arms race of rules-savvyness, increasing the overall power of blue mages searching to find the True Counter-Breaker. Along the way, whether they find what they're looking for or not, everyone gets better at the game. In that sense, it is a very powerful spell, not because of what it does directly, but because of what it caused players who saw it to do.
Shadoflaam
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
Yo dawg I herd u liek counters so we put a cant be countered on your counterspell so you can counter without being countered.
This is a good defensive counter, but in terms of countering other people's counters it's hardly the "last word". While you can counter the opponent's first counter , if they can cast others simply targeting the original spell you'll lose the counter war.
A counterspell with split second would be the last word (except for that pesky Willbender).
This card would have seen play in the counter heavy environments of the past, probably as sideboard for control mirrors. These days it could be {1}{U}{U} I think.
Enemy_Tricolor
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(3 votes)
Along with Punish Ignorance, this is a great card for quoting the flavor text at your opponents. These will be the building blocks of umad.dec
If you can fit red in, this is going to be interdicted by Counterflux. (Please wait a few weeks from posting for link to properly manifest.) Slightly lower CMC, can be overloaded (I'm not sure that's going to be recommendable in Commander if you don't want to get painted with several crosshairs at once...)...
This won't really win counter wars as the original spell can be targeted as other members have already pointed out. What this can do, however is to prevent counter wars during your opponent's turn.
If your opponent casts a key card and has countermagic in hand to defend it, playing this immediately will definitely shoot down the spell without offering your opponent a chance to counter back. And even if you succeeded in stopping his spell, you still haven't fished out his countermagic which in turn he can still use to stop your key cards.
Best played on your opponent's turn, not yours.
Continue
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(2 votes)
"Fuck you, I am countering that spell no matter what."
Anzu-chan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
How to end a "counterspells war."
Salient
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Jodah: Someday, someone will best me. But it won't be today, and it won't be you.
Venser (flashing in): Oh, call back yesterday, bid time return...
Jodah: ...well played.
azure_drake222222
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I have the Last Word (or rather, Last Comment). When you comment, you will have it.
Brastus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
In my playgroup, 100% worth it for the flavor text, directed at a particularly annoying copycat/wannabe rival.
buying a playset ASAP
And now the last word is mine.
FourEx
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
5 stars for the way it warped my metagame. last word was spoken of in hushed tones. to play it was a middle finger to your opponent. YOU DON'T GET TO PLAY. SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP.
Osprey_93
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
just putting this out there; Vexing Shusher got the last word.
ArelMCII
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Always hoped that this card would've been timeshifted with Split Second instead of "can't be countered."
absreim
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Overshadowed by Counterflux these days, but still a decent choice against combo and control for decks not playing red.
ZackBPro
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The name makes me think it would have split second
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point is, sometimes you are playing people who enjoy 4 force of wills and 4 mana drains in a single deck.
3.5
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I have to say that I appreciate you actually wanting to have a discussion about it, though. It's a lot more commendable than the six trolls who can't stand not knowing the rules (and consequently downrated my original post). I thought we were here to talk about cards, rather than hide behind an anonymous rating system.
Also, it's pretty funny that the "cum" from my username gets censored. It clearly wasn't inappropriate when I was signing up my account, but the filter can't seem to comprehend that now.
I think I'd really like to see this printed in a core set with new art.
Just use an ending square bracket. The one under the curly brackets. Put it anywhere in the word like this: scu)mbling only replace the ).
And on typing this, I found out the curly brackets work too. You don't want to use an opening bracket like "(" because if you use any formatting or mana symbols (
It's a hard counter. Hard counters are good. It's a tricky counter. That's very fine. Yes, it's really obvious that Wizards knows there are ways to play around it- other wise it would cost 3UU, or 3UUU, or XUU where X is the converted mana cost of the spell you're countering. Or something like that.
This costs the same as plain-countering a spell and drawing a card, and I'd say that it's nearly equal value. The Mythic rarity also improves this card a lot, since it isn't really quite worth the top rarity level, and yet I can hardly imagine this being a common spell to learn. It's quite specialized, and difficult to learn I bet. It's certainly useful, it just doesn't do as much as it implies.
What it does, is trigger an arms race of rules-savvyness, increasing the overall power of blue mages searching to find the True Counter-Breaker. Along the way, whether they find what they're looking for or not, everyone gets better at the game. In that sense, it is a very powerful spell, not because of what it does directly, but because of what it caused players who saw it to do.
Xzibit, is there anything he can't make better?
A counterspell with split second would be the last word (except for that pesky Willbender).
This card would have seen play in the counter heavy environments of the past, probably as sideboard for control mirrors. These days it could be {1}{U}{U} I think.
opponent: okay.
And Mindbreak Trap can still be countered.
If your opponent casts a key card and has countermagic in hand to defend it, playing this immediately will definitely shoot down the spell without offering your opponent a chance to counter back. And even if you succeeded in stopping his spell, you still haven't fished out his countermagic which in turn he can still use to stop your key cards.
Best played on your opponent's turn, not yours.
Venser (flashing in): Oh, call back yesterday, bid time return...
Jodah: ...well played.
buying a playset ASAP
And now the last word is mine.