repeatable glimpse the unthinkable with a seven-toughness "up yours" body attached? Methinks the mill deck might begin to see some real play
Dingo777
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(5 votes)
10 cards pretty good, but I wanna rings of birthright this ability
Cenelder
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(9 votes)
the nice thing is that it doesnt actually have to hit the player, it just needs to attack, and at 3/7 he is pretty safe from creatures. Hopefully by the time you have 5 mana, their hand is already destroyed so they wont be able to counter him right away either.
Vektor480
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0)(9 votes)
I love this guy. I love milling. He is my pet card from now on
platinumplague
★★☆☆☆ (2.9/5.0)(5 votes)
very good with mind funeral
elflover2500
★★☆☆☆ (2.1/5.0)(4 votes)
i think he is an awesome card and if u ad tramatize with it its perfact also he is blue black makeing it easy to keep him alive with a counter spell or a kill spell on a strong creature of ur enimy but the only problem with it is he should have flying i mean comeon hes a laviathan
Elysiume
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(4 votes)
The best part is how he is better than a lot of cards (eg walls, defenders) just by his stats. 5cc for a 3/7? That's fantastic.
Roundhead-in-Chief
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Nemesis of Reason/Mind Funeral/Jace Beleren how long could it take? Throw in a Necromancer's Covenant if you go tricolor and you'll be loaded with 2/2 lifelink zombies
LeGaCy_13
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
nemesis+3 other creatures+mirrorweave=win. the type 2 mill deck.
Iwaaan
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
This is such a damn good mill card.
Having this in a deck with Mind Funeral and Jace Beleren can deck the hell out of your opponent really fast.
A lot of people are talking about this card...it really could bring mill back some.
1DeadDrad
★★☆☆☆ (2.6/5.0)(4 votes)
So here's a question: If you had two Nemesis of Reason cards in play and you attacked with both of them, would the defending player have to discard 40 cards instead of 20 because the text on each card refers to the name "Nemesis of Reason" instead of say something like, "When this creature attacks..."?
majinara
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(6 votes)
To the guy asking if attacking with two of them mills 20 or 40: it mills 20. When a card mentions it's own name in the text, it refers only to itself, not to other copies.
Perfect card. Perfect stats. Perfect ability. Perfect cost. Nice and simple, but efficient. It's probably my favorite card ever. I give it a 6/5. ;)
BrutalJim
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(3 votes)
with all the cards like this coming out, I may rethink making my mill deck. 4/5.
kikukillerofkings82
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(3 votes)
this plus spellbinder and might of the oaks and you do 10 damge each time he attacks if they dont block or add nemisis mask and scyth of the wrected to that combo and you gain control of all there creautres
Delta556
★☆☆☆☆ (1.6/5.0)(4 votes)
Type your comment here.
OmniMarconi67
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Nemesis of Reason, much like Grimoire Thief, is one of those cards that forces your opponent to deal with it. If he can't, it's game over, which makes this a great mid-to-end game card. Grimoire Thief is slightly better because of its early playability and the absolute necessity for your opponent to take attention and waste a turn dealing with it which can give you a huge leg up in turn advantage. That aside, Nemesis of Reason has the raw power to be a great finisher, which should give it consideration to anyone playing U/B, not just the mill crowd.
Laguz
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
The weak art on this card is the epitome of wasted potential, but that won't stop me from putting two of them in my blue/black discard/control deck that i've owned and played since like 1996. This ugly freak will feed the guiltfeeders in that deck like no other, but i'm concerned that it will be overkill. The upside is that the Nemesis is a win condition in itself as it only has to attack six times (five should be enough) to end the game. Removal is always a problem, but Soul Manipulation is another solid fit for the deck.
KyXanthrus
★★☆☆☆ (2.7/5.0)(3 votes)
MILL U DEAD.. RAWR.. 10 turns ko.. woohoo
xsuperdude18x
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
yo forget all the extra crap, throw on alexis cloak and get a guilt feeder and game over
Smoked_Peasant
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(2 votes)
This card is a bottle of butt-hurt. He puts players on a 4-5 turn clock, and he has to be killed outright as he's far to big for any normal burn spell, and far to tough for any turn 5 or less creature(s) to handle.
Naegling
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(3 votes)
OK, so my question may have an obvious answer, but not 100% clear on the semantics. So, here is the scenario: Player A has the Nemesis attack Player B, who doesn't defend with any of his Defenders. So, since Player B did not defend does he mill the ten, or does he have to assign defenders for the milling effect to trigger?
Ulfhund
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(6 votes)
Defending player is the person being attacked and has nothing to do with whether they actively defended themselves. If this card is legally declared as an attacker and tapped, it's ability will trigger, regardless of whether it's blocked, unblocked or even survives to the actual combat.
play megrim before attacking, thats 20 damage per attack even if blocked... are there any black or blue cards that give invunerability
midnightvenom
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
My favorite creature for sure. I run this in my Dimir mill deck. I've won so many games with 1 or 2 life because of him and Glimpse the Unthinkable
the-unbeliever
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(10 votes)
Library to graveyard is not discarding. This would not trigger megrim. Hand to graveyard is discarding.
TheNUUB
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(9 votes)
Best Flavour Text Ever.
Seraphim4N631
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Very nice, vicious mill card =D I've only had it used against me though, not really for me. Yet, I'm afraid the milling will end if I'm attacked and one of my mythic Eldrazi is put into a graveyard. =P When they're put into a graveyard from -anywhere-, their owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library.
Revelation666
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
This does not work with Megrim. The card you're looking for is Bloodchief Ascension
surewhynot
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Taken from Wikipedia - "Reason is one of the human mental faculty that is able to generate conclusions from assumptions or premises. In other words, it is amongst other things the means by which rational beings propose (specific) reasons and is it is particularly associated with human nature, that which is most unique and essential about human beings."
That's right ladies and gents, this...THING...is the enemy of all that ^^^
RikerBlake
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(43 votes)
Once upon a time, there was a man, who met a being named Nemesis of Rea--THE END.
achilleselbow
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@ RikerBlake: Thanks a lot, you just made my computer monitor shrivel!
KillSwitch555
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
best art ever. period.
Paleopaladin
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Kinda reminds me of a certain eldrazi titan...
storophanthus
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
please dont.. please.. my cards..
iNathan
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
hehe, i love this card, it went strait to my mill deck. its so good
TheSwarm
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(4 votes)
OP no dooooouuuuubbbbbtttttt. 5 mana for a freekin b/u 3/7, making it an awesome blocker, invulnerable to doomblade and lighting bolt, whichin itself would be spectacular. and since its in a blue deck, there is a good chance that there will be a counterspell in your hand to deal with any white removal. Then. They make it so whenever he attacks he make the opponents mill 10 cards. and with a toughness like 7, he probably wont go anywhere for a while. Ridiculous
fartsbarts
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
take a couple nemesis of reason, circu, dimir lobotomist, dimir doppelganger, hedron crab. etc. throw in some tome scour, embrace the unthinkable, mind funeral, traumatize, archive trap, n mill stone. truely makes for a bad round for the other player.
Sironos
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
omg how i love this one, the name, the flavour, the ability, this is on my top 10 of favourite creatures. Now I have one in my mill deck... now to get 3 more.
bagilis
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
this + glimpse of the unthinkable + tome scour + the traume card which mills flaf the deck of the player, equals carnage. And you stay in blue/black all the time so its cool. Compleement it with a bit of mana acceleration (dark ritual) and some counterspells (daze, force of will), you're in for some respect.
NecroticNobody
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
My comment describing this card's sheer awesomeness failed.
mflanaga
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(19 votes)
It would be funny if the gatherer just gave you a message saying "YOUR COMMENT DESCRIBING NEMESIS OF REASON HAS FAILED. Have a nice day! -Wizards"
divine_exodus
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
5 cmc for a 3/7?? Wow. And his ability's great. And his flavor text is funny. Creature--Leviathan Horror is just perfect for him.
5/5
CerealBoxOfDoom
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
nemisis of reason + haunting echos = lol
ratrase
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(32 votes)
Wow, this card is
Aun
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
It is a Leviathan Horror. If it would have more power it would explode of awesomeness.
m00tzman
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(28 votes)
I feel as though this guy is the Candlejack of Magic: The Ga
hde128
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Honestly, I wish he had some ability that made him more leviathan-like, something like islandwalk, flying, or trample, but considering he fits perfectly in my deck at the 5 slot, I don't mind.
http404error
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(4 votes)
I was going to write a comment about this card but
Shiny_Espeon
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
This card is insane in Cube drafting, or any drafting in general. Putting an opponent on a 3 turn clock for a 5 mana creature is no joke. Add in that he has 7 toughness which makes him difficult to kill by blocking or burn and is also black, which makes him immune to a variety of black killspells makes him a creature that you need to answer quickly, but is very difficult to answer.
boldlygonowhere
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0)(9 votes)
You cannot grasp the true form of Nemesis Of Reasons' attack!
@the-unbeliever Actually, to be totally fair, hand-to-graveyard is only discarding IF it says "discard". If a spell said "target player puts all the cards from his hand into the graveyard" I believe unless errata'd it would not be "discarding".
This is similar to library-to-hand is not always a draw. Some cards PUT cards into your hand, but you don't actually "draw" them, such as a Demonic Tutor. The same distinction, though less compelling, would be between "playing a creature" and "putting a creature into play".
All that said, neato creature, though I feel that's it's likely a 0-10 mill without some really good protection for it.
Oh and this one time a friend cast Nemesis of.. The end.
Bouv10
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I've had people concede games when this guy comes out. By that time they've been Halimar Excavator'd once or twice, some Tome Scours, Duresses, and some Hedron Crabs. Plus I still have an Archieve Trap or two, Mire's Toll and some Traumatizes left.
ROBRAM89
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(39 votes)
This page should be permanently rigged to 404.
BadProgram
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Equipped with Sword of Body and Mind this card would be double Glimpse the Unthinkable, very much so an immediate threat that needs to be taken care of, I love how new cards just double effects of old cards.
JackofAntioch
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Never seen a page shrivel before...
kor6sic6
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
This guy is just ins
blindthrall
★★☆☆☆ (2.4/5.0)(7 votes)
When I first saw its name, I thought they meant the bible.
Also, why do so many people think leviathans fly? When was the last time you saw a flying whale?
Gabriel422
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
I love this flavor text.
Splizer
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Rite Of Replication would be great with this if it seemed reasonable. But at that point my sanity fled hahahahHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
rinoh20
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
seems like it would be powerful in draf
Raibys
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Words describing it: "Fail"
...seriously, has anyone made that joke yet? Anyway, as for my actual opinion on the card, I actually really like it. Its looks befit its name, and its effect and flavor text befit its looks. Not only that, but I could really use this guy for my mill deck, hehe...why are leviathans always so awesome?
Grumman
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
5/5 for the flavour alone.
ICEFANG13
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I find it quite interesting, that this card (not at all entirely, but overall) is outclassed by Jace, Memory Adept. While Jace is easier to just attack and remove, but he is guaranteed to mill 10 each turn (unless you want to do other things), and is harder to use removal on.
I would think that, for the purpose of milling 10, Jace is in the overall better area (once again, not entirely) but I find it funny that Jace seems to get a lot of hate/dislike, while the comments on this card are full of love!
Perhaps magic changes quicker than I expected.
axiobeta
★☆☆☆☆ (1.6/5.0)(4 votes)
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CrowJonSnow
★★★☆☆ (3.1/5.0)(4 votes)
hmmmmmmmm, not legendary... i know there's combo potential here... what to do what to do what to do ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
would be a great way to win, but probably wouldn't happen. the fact that it says "when it attack" and not "when it deal combat damage" is so awesome. great cards, very flavorful, one of my favorites
This guy seems like a bit of a precursor to all the Eldrazi, save the fact that he is a 3/7, and colored, the mill 10 is about as painful as any amount of Annihilator. Also, the fact that he is in SoA kinda makes me think he is the daddy of Emrakul. LOL.
Shadoflaam
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Huh seems a lot like Raven Guildma
ZeroSheep
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
If you won't listen to me, maybe you'll listen to REASON!
TheAweDude
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
This creature is the most Lovecraftian ever made. Screw your Eldrazi, Levcratian doens't just mean "big."
JimmyNoobPlayer
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
We're so accustomed to breaking-the-forth-wall shenanigans that it's a little jarring to see a card describing a creature as indescribable. Of course, it's only indescribable and unviewable in the fictional universe, and I'm glad - we got this extremely awesome art and flavor text!
pedrodyl
★★★★☆ (5.0/5.0)(16 votes)
This is the Unthinkable that we were forced to glimpse so many times.
MordukaiBurning
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(4 votes)
A leviathan that doesn't cripple my mana base or shatter card advantage upon entering the battlefield? It defies all r
Intregus
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(4 votes)
Play it on turn 3 with heartless summoning
MindAblaze
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I love you Nemesis of Reason, I'm even planning on running this as a one/three split in my Havengul Lich deck with Heartless Summoning
For those that don't know, that saying describes Cuthulhu, and Nemesis of Reason is a
LordRandomness
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Huh, so it's the Candlejack of Magic cards. That's
swords_to_exile
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
This one game, I actually briberied a Nemesis of Reaso
EnV
★★☆☆☆ (2.2/5.0)(5 votes)
Type your comment here.
Eldrazi-Worshiper
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Blue, Black, Green deck: Cast it then cast Rite of replication and kick it, Vexing shusher to cover rite of replication, game win on any 60 card deck playes
twiddleman12
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(3 votes)
Will my computer shrivel?
klauth
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
@Eldrazi-Worshipper: With those colors, you could put Nemesis of Reason and Lord of Extinction into play, the just open your mana to counter spells/protect your creatures, then it's gameover either by damage or mill
Plays Grixis. Runs this with fervor. nemesis of redbleuregfhfbfhdkwnsdhdnsidjdkdudbwnHASTE
GlintKawk42
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(1 vote)
my Jace, Architect of Thought was able to get me one of these from my opponents deck. I might have won that game.....
am802g
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
I don't know why everybody seems to be having a problem finishing their comments on this card. It's not like it actually can do anything with your--- ALL HAIL THE GREAT LORD EGOTIST!!
Vividice
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(4 votes)
Totally outclasses Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker.
- Isn't legendary - Doesn't needs to deal combat damage = always mills. - Mills straight 10 cards, not just sometimes. - Actually survives combat with Sentinel Spider or Air Elemental.
MICKEY.KNOX
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
One time I tried to equip Bonehoard to this but the game was over... "What?! Dude! I've still got a Lord of Extinction to cast! Go get some more cards! (table flips...)
SnackyNorph
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@GlintKawk42, why not just play the superior Jace? Jace, Memory Adept would have simply done what Nemesis does every turn, without having to sit there pumping up the walker.
Wow so burn resistant and very powerful mill, all around great card.
Trygon_Predator
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Why is its foreground tentacle getting ripped open by that jagged rock? That looks really painful. D:
MadManChubChub
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
They should have called this card "The Unthinkable."
Deadling
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
This card is seriously overpowered for what it does. I mean a 3/7, and it mills 10 whenever it attacks!? Such BS. In that light though, this is a great card, and I only hate it cause I don't have it.
TeChNoWC
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
What I would give for this to be a zombie.
Still, its going to be an awesome addition to my zombie mill deck
TheDouce
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The only thing that would make this guy more awesome would vigilance
Comments (110)
Having this in a deck with Mind Funeral and Jace Beleren can deck the hell out of your opponent really fast.
A lot of people are talking about this card...it really could bring mill back some.
Consult the Necrosages could be a good addition tho what you mentioned! ;-)
That's right ladies and gents, this...THING...is the enemy of all that ^^^
5/5
Actually, to be totally fair, hand-to-graveyard is only discarding IF it says "discard". If a spell said "target player puts all the cards from his hand into the graveyard" I believe unless errata'd it would not be "discarding".
This is similar to library-to-hand is not always a draw. Some cards PUT cards into your hand, but you don't actually "draw" them, such as a Demonic Tutor. The same distinction, though less compelling, would be between "playing a creature" and "putting a creature into play".
All that said, neato creature, though I feel that's it's likely a 0-10 mill without some really good protection for it.
Oh and this one time a friend cast Nemesis of..
The end.
Also, why do so many people think leviathans fly? When was the last time you saw a flying whale?
...seriously, has anyone made that joke yet? Anyway, as for my actual opinion on the card, I actually really like it. Its looks befit its name, and its effect and flavor text befit its looks. Not only that, but I could really use this guy for my mill deck, hehe...why are leviathans always so awesome?
I would think that, for the purpose of milling 10, Jace is in the overall better area (once again, not entirely) but I find it funny that Jace seems to get a lot of hate/dislike, while the comments on this card are full of love!
Perhaps magic changes quicker than I expected.
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KICKED RITE OF REPLICATION. MILL FOR 60. RAWR
would be a great way to win, but probably wouldn't happen. the fact that it says "when it attack" and not "when it deal combat damage" is so awesome.
great cards, very flavorful, one of my favorites
5/5
Also, the fact that he is in SoA kinda makes me think he is the daddy of Emrakul. LOL.
Screw your Eldrazi, Levcratian doens't just mean "big."
For those that don't know, that saying describes Cuthulhu, and Nemesis of Reason is a
Brb gonna go make a deck.
- Isn't legendary
- Doesn't needs to deal combat damage = always mills.
- Mills straight 10 cards, not just sometimes.
- Actually survives combat with Sentinel Spider or Air Elemental.
"What?! Dude! I've still got a Lord of Extinction to cast! Go get some more cards! (table flips...)
Still, its going to be an awesome addition to my zombie mill deck
One attack phase, one deck milled to dust.