what happens if someone uses a spell that puts all permanants in play into their owners graveyards?
does this trigger on other cards? does this trigger on itself?
Dragek
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(2 votes)
I'd assume it would affect everything but the enchantment itself
BrutalJim
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(2 votes)
2 Mana for become immune to mill decks, but i'd probably only sideboard it. 4/5.
JacksJokeShop
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(3 votes)
I would assume it would affect itself, since it says "a card" and not "another card." See Hissing Iguanar for an example.
Love the card btw, Flavor, colors, ability, mana cost, etc. Side board of course, but useful when needed.
xStrikerx
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(7 votes)
Kills dredge decks
This is not a plain enchantment, it is an aura which enchants a player. When you cast it you target a player and it comes into play enchanting the targeted player.
Donovan_Fabian
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Two things, one is that I could be wrong but the card -should- affect itself, the ability would trigger as its leaving play, but it would land up on the bottom of your library. Second, the value of this card is with tutor cards! Think about it, if you have beseech the queen in hand, and you lose any creature you have on the field, you can use it like a revive to put the creature back into your hand and then shuffle your library so all those cards that you've been putting it at the bottom because of the wheel are shuffled back in. It turns all your tutor cards into revival cards, including for use on sorceries.
EnV
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
No all permanents means all permanents. The destruction is on the stack so the enchantment won't work.
darkfury
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(3 votes)
the enchantment will not affect itself alone, as its effect will not actually be able to trigger getting hit by a total Library mill will simply either fizzle or allow you to reshuffle your deck depending on who you play and what they feel like
MalleusAetis
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(5 votes)
@darkfury
Read the oracle ruling. If you get hit with a total library mill, you'll be able to put your deck back together in any order you like.
TheTraitorKing
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
This card recycles cards discarded with Compulsion and forms an infinite card draw engine with Compulsion and Mox Lotus.
Quang
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(3 votes)
Funny and amazing card. You can use it to fight against milling and unearth decks
I can imagine this in a massive token deck with Hair-Strung Koto for the ultimate tutor.
But then, I guess at that point it'd be preferable to just mill your opponent.
a7141988
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
In EDH, if you enchant your opponent with Wheel of Sun and Moon, and then play something that says "destroy target creature" on the opponent's general, does the general go to the command zone or on the bottom of their library?
Andon_A
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@a7141988 - Sending a General to the command zone is a replacement effect for if the general would normally go to the graveyard. The player could choose to have their general go to the graveyard, in which case it would go to the bottom of the library, or they could choose to have it go into the command zone, which is by far the more likely scenario.
Cards such as Condemn don't mention the graveyard at all and do not involve the graveyard at all, so the player has no choice but to put their general in their library.
001010011100101110
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Two questions:
1. If this card enchanting your opponent and Leyline of the Void are both on the battlefield, WTF is supposed to happen?
2. If you get hit with a Grindstone+Painter's Servant with this enchanting yourself, do you keep getting milled and keep getting cards put back? What is the top of your library? Is the game a tie then?
xRockFan
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
All I can say is, it's a shame this isn't in Standard anymore.
ultratog1028
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.6/5.0)(6 votes)
NO PEOPLE! This card is only good in a few instances. unless every deck in it's colors wants to play it, and several off color decks want to splash it, It shouldn't be rated near 5 stars.
This card is a $1 rare. That tells you how good it is.
@xStrikerx: I was going to comment wonder when Wizards decide to make things global enchantments versus auras, but you accidentally anticipated my question.
That's neat tech.
psyklone
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@scruffynerfherder except that Sterling Grove doesn't protect itself.
+ Tranquility as mentioned by CB
I disagree that it is only for the side board. Mill is defiantly not the first thing I think of when I see this card. and this is not the first thing I think of when I want to counter mill. This is a combo card, 2 mana to enable a rather large number of infinite combos. And while most infinite combos are little more than timmy win mores. They are quite fun.
CrazyLou
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@psyklone Two Groves will protect each other, though. Considering they're tutors too, it's well worth playing 4 if you use them.
I'm running this on two separate decks (both using Ravnica cards as engines) And it does great. Not only does it make Killer Instinct and Sunforger even better, it's also good against graveyard strategies in a pinch. Great for casual.
Gelzo
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Anyone else feel kind of uneasy when they think about being enchanted as a player?
Sure, you can already be dealt damage, get poisoned, targeted, and mind wiped, but there's something vaguely creepy about having a card attached to you like that.
Arachibutyrophobia
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
lol, this will became an "enchantment - aura curse" :P
Penguin_Master
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(5 votes)
@001010011100101110
In the case of the Leyline of the Void, the enchantment with the most recent timestamp would take effect. For instance if the Leyline came out first, then Whell of Sun and Moon followed, the player that is enchanted by Wheel follows those instructions while the other would follow Leyline of the Void. If Wheel of Sun and Moon comes out first, then the Leyline follows, both players follow the rules on Leyline of the Void.
"1. If this card enchanting your opponent and Leyline of the Void are both on the battlefield, WTF is supposed to happen? "
This card means the cards never make it into the graveyard to be exiled :). Wording is king.
iUseBreakOpen
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
@oafkad
Leyline of the Void does not exile cards that enter the graveyard, it replaces going to the graveyard with being exiled. If two replacement effects would apply to the same action, the replacement effect with the most recent time stamp is applied.
Wolfman17
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Enchant an opponent who think they're clever for playing the 'Graveborn' deck and watch as the real fun begins :D
This would look good in my side deck!
DarthParallax
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(3 votes)
You know the funny thing about Graveyard Hate? Any Graveyard Deck worth hating against is either going to kill you before you can cast the hate (yes, even Grafdigger's Cage. Some decks are kinda fast lol), OR, they will be very well aware that they are playing the most Hated (both by popular opinion and by amount of Hate Cards designed) Deck in Magic, and they will come well-prepared to deal with you if they choose.
While Dredge and Reanimator are not wholly unbeatable, if you do win a game against one, chances are better the opponent let you win, or simply didn't feel like trying very hard to win (maybe they built a suboptimal deck on purpose). At least, that's true for the kitchen table.
At the major tournaments, even if there was an 'unbeatable' deck, the skill level of the players becomes so significant that it *almost doesn't matter what they are running against each other- the better player will probably win. Sure they talk about decklists and luck of the draw a lot, but I've been stomped by a better player when I was playing his awesome deck vs. him playing my 'pile o' cards', and skill eventually trumps all.
While normally 'Hate' cards do exactly what they are supposed to if you run them (the Red Elemental Blast-type anti-Blue cards in particular), Graveyard-themed stuff takes a special place as something that even heavy sideboarding against really does not guarantee you a win at all.
CarlosLiberated
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Need one of these for my Captain Sisay EDH deck. Put all legendary cards back in the library, where Sisay can find them.
Chrs84
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card has that kind-of fundamental inspiration to its effect and possibilities, gets you wondering how you can use it in an innovative way. I fell in love with the card the moment I saw it; also thought the art was perfect, avoiding a cliché attempt to match the title. Want to increase your deck building skills, then keep creating different themes and gameplay using this card; it’s a great version of working on your mechanics. For 2 mana I don’t feel bad being biased: 5 stars.
OmegaD
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Protection from milling.
feedbacker
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card is pretty creative I must say, and amazing artwork too!
On the surface it seems like mill/reanimator/flashback/dredge hate but I'm sure there are ways to use to your advantage in the right deck. Cycling maybe?
Would be cool see card mecanics around emptying your graveyard (black/red) and getting rewarded for having empty an empty graveyard (white)
zenitramleirdag
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
this card is perfect for parfait..
LowKey49
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
this = Doubling Season = Jace from RTR...gg...the best win i've ever seen
Anzu-chan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You may use it to : - Kill graveyard strategy (Reanimation, Dredge) - Protect yourself from milling - If you don't use card that can tutor graveyard or flashback cards, you may use it to recycle your cards.
strider24seven
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@Penguin_Master & @001010011100101110
*sigh* That's not how Leyline and Wheel work. Wheel and Leyline are both replacement effects, not triggered abilities. The affected player picks which one to apply, see 616.1
Salient
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
This has some of the best art from any enchantment in all of Magic. Zoltan Gabor & Boros Szikszai didn't just outdo themselves, they outdid space and time and reality. :)
I like that there's an entire article at Wizards' site devoted to how much they loved this art and how excited they were to see the drafts:
Comments (47)
does this trigger on other cards?
does this trigger on itself?
Love the card btw, Flavor, colors, ability, mana cost, etc. Side board of course, but useful when needed.
This is not a plain enchantment, it is an aura which enchants a player. When you cast it you target a player and it comes into play enchanting the targeted player.
getting hit by a total Library mill will simply either fizzle or allow you to reshuffle your deck depending on who you play and what they feel like
Read the oracle ruling. If you get hit with a total library mill, you'll be able to put your deck back together in any order you like.
But then, I guess at that point it'd be preferable to just mill your opponent.
Cards such as Condemn don't mention the graveyard at all and do not involve the graveyard at all, so the player has no choice but to put their general in their library.
1. If this card enchanting your opponent and Leyline of the Void are both on the battlefield, WTF is supposed to happen?
2. If you get hit with a Grindstone+Painter's Servant with this enchanting yourself, do you keep getting milled and keep getting cards put back? What is the top of your library? Is the game a tie then?
This card is a $1 rare. That tells you how good it is.
That's neat tech.
+ Tranquility as mentioned by CB
Two Groves will protect each other, though. Considering they're tutors too, it's well worth playing 4 if you use them.
Also, on Tranquility: Mana Leak it, you're running blue. Or if they try Back to Nature, you can Bant Charm it.
Sure, you can already be dealt damage, get poisoned, targeted, and mind wiped, but there's something vaguely creepy about having a card attached to you like that.
In the case of the Leyline of the Void, the enchantment with the most recent timestamp would take effect. For instance if the Leyline came out first, then Whell of Sun and Moon followed, the player that is enchanted by Wheel follows those instructions while the other would follow Leyline of the Void. If Wheel of Sun and Moon comes out first, then the Leyline follows, both players follow the rules on Leyline of the Void.
The Painter's Servant Grindstone combo would in effect become an infinite loop.
Also, the artwork reminds me of a prog metal album cover.
This card means the cards never make it into the graveyard to be exiled :). Wording is king.
Leyline of the Void does not exile cards that enter the graveyard, it replaces going to the graveyard with being exiled. If two replacement effects would apply to the same action, the replacement effect with the most recent time stamp is applied.
This would look good in my side deck!
While Dredge and Reanimator are not wholly unbeatable, if you do win a game against one, chances are better the opponent let you win, or simply didn't feel like trying very hard to win (maybe they built a suboptimal deck on purpose). At least, that's true for the kitchen table.
At the major tournaments, even if there was an 'unbeatable' deck, the skill level of the players becomes so significant that it *almost doesn't matter what they are running against each other- the better player will probably win. Sure they talk about decklists and luck of the draw a lot, but I've been stomped by a better player when I was playing his awesome deck vs. him playing my 'pile o' cards', and skill eventually trumps all.
While normally 'Hate' cards do exactly what they are supposed to if you run them (the Red Elemental Blast-type anti-Blue cards in particular), Graveyard-themed stuff takes a special place as something that even heavy sideboarding against really does not guarantee you a win at all.
On the surface it seems like mill/reanimator/flashback/dredge hate but I'm sure there are ways to use to your advantage in the right deck. Cycling maybe?
Would be cool see card mecanics around emptying your graveyard (black/red) and getting rewarded for having empty an empty graveyard (white)
- Kill graveyard strategy (Reanimation, Dredge)
- Protect yourself from milling
- If you don't use card that can tutor graveyard or flashback cards, you may use it to recycle your cards.
&
@001010011100101110
*sigh* That's not how Leyline and Wheel work.
Wheel and Leyline are both replacement effects, not triggered abilities.
The affected player picks which one to apply, see 616.1
I like that there's an entire article at Wizards' site devoted to how much they loved this art and how excited they were to see the drafts:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/arcana/1615
It's worth clicking over for the full-size version.