People just love putting four of each card in their decks. This punishes them for it.
donjohnson
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Dear God this thing is brutal. Let the guy play a few good cards, or just make him discard his hand and then gut his deck. I dont know who comes up with the ideas for these kinds of cards.
allmighty_abacus
★★★★☆ (5.0/5.0)(21 votes)
OH GOD WHY
LEAVE MY LIBRARY ALONE
Cheza
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Should be blue.
GottaRunGottaRunNow
★★★☆☆ (3.4/5.0)(4 votes)
So many cards make this such a devastating effect to have, and in a blue/black Mill deck with Traumatize, it's a quick way to make your friends hate you.
Sironos
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0)(3 votes)
Have a mill deck based on this and traumatize, the rest is mostly removal, scry and tutors. Haven't tested it yet, but love the idea of destroying not the body of your opponent, but their mind. Milling isn't lame, it's sophisticated and unusual, unless you use jace.
Athinor
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I love this card. Use it with a Mill deck and Time Reversal!
NecroticNobody
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
InternetNinjacy, I will partially agree with you. I too dislike the players that use the Traumatize type cards, comboed with this. Decks like that require little to no creativity, skill and induviduality. On the other hand, I enjoy cards that mill with a subtle grace, cards like Sadistic Sacrement (I know thats not exactly Mill but it encompases all the things I feel Mill should be.) I enjoy milling to the extent that my opponent knows he has a very limited clock to beat me before he runs out of draws, and then I unleash my weapon of choice on his graveyard; Wrexial, The Risen Deep. Now a deck that uses that strategy requires finess and skill to play. If you want more of my opinions on milling, check my comment posted on Traumatize.
CeremonialBathory
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@InternetNinjacy - Stop crying about it. Mill is probably one of the weaker win conditions right now anyway. Consider how fast agro is currently and access to cards such as Emrakul, the Aeons Torn that will completely undo everything a mill deck does.
@NecroticNobody - Sadistic Sacrament is alright in mill when you use it early. I'd only use it in order to get rid of effects that I don't want to see, like mass recursion or things like Vengevine and Bloodghast that are better in a graveyard than the hand. Then again, if you have the mana to kick Sad Sac you should have played this already.
@Cheza - No, it shouldn't. I'd agree with you if it was a counterspell, but it isn't.
blindthrall
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0)(2 votes)
R+D a decade ago: Sure black might have land destruction and discard, but mill is definitely blue.
Then they printed this.
Toronado282
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I had a question about it's mechanics.
If I use a Cosi's Trickster, the wording on Haunting Echoes seems to indicate that for EACH CARD REMOVED, my opponent has to go through the searching/removing/shuffling process. Which would pump the trickster up tremendously.
@Toronado282: I'm pretty sure your trickster would get only one counter. The reason is that "Then that player shuffles their library" is a different sentence, which implies that it is a separate step. To resolve this card, you do three actions in order: 1. Exile cards from the graveyard 2. Search for all the other copies of the cards you exiled this way (technically a separate search action for each card, but I'm not aware of anything that triggers off searching someone else's library so this shouldn't matter.) 3. They shuffle.
aeongorgon
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Magic has an abundance of cards with illustrations that show people clutching their own heads and screaming or gritting their teeth and stuff -- these are usually the black cards that make your opponents discard cards or lose life. I would've expected Haunting Echoes to show a picture of a head-clutching person, which would have made boring but appropriate flavor sense; but instead, we have a picture of a man trying to eat his own shadow. With a fork.
Now Nils is a great artist (and his promo artisan of kozilek absolutely wins), but this one is positively abstract.
krauser-gogetthegirl
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
i rated this 2 stars cause i pulled four of em. and i bought a pack of 2010 and guess wat i pulled? if u guessed this twisted Liberian then congrats. treat urself to a cookie. i aslo pulled two traumatize. i tried makin a deck with those and the echos. it was guitarded. at least traumatize is the shiznit. with bonehoard and that nifty sphinx from new phyrexia i see a strategy forming.
Play this with strong BU control and combine with Glimpse the Unthinkable and/or Mind Funeral and you've got a very solid deck.
Kitty_the_Kat
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I use this alongside removal and discard in my mono-black control deck, it's devestating when it goes through. I honestly don't even need it because by turn 5 I've already used Surgical Extraction and 1 cmc discard spells to eliminate any real threats to my Obliterators. I also run some Phyrexian Metamorph just in case.
Biteybiteybitey
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
things get a bit fun if someone is playing Reverberate or a Redirect against this...
Eating the shadow of your own head isn't normal. But on Magic artwork it is.
Magic artwork: Not even once.
BlackFlameAshura
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I'm a little surprised how amazing it was the first time around but how lackluster it's been in the last couple printings. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
infernox10
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You'll never guess what's for breakfast!...
Chrs84
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
dberry02, fantastic list, but it seems more like repeatedly pummeling a friend’s face, lol. By the time the dust settles it’s like they’re pretty much drawing basic land. This card is simply everything it claims to be, which is basically skinning your opponent alive. Kudos for keeping it at 5 casting cost as opposed to 6 or more, kudos for only 2 actual swamps in the casting cost. I seen this played in fetch-style as finishing or one step before finishing blow after you do your work depleting library/hand or filling opponents graveyard, etc, and I seen it played quickly with dark ritual for an early beefed up extirpate effect. Condor_96: you know it!
TheWrathofShane
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
This punishes players who like running x4 of everything. I had no nonland cards left after one of these resolved.
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Let the guy play a few good cards, or just make him discard his hand and then gut his deck.
I dont know who comes up with the ideas for these kinds of cards.
LEAVE MY LIBRARY ALONE
@NecroticNobody - Sadistic Sacrament is alright in mill when you use it early. I'd only use it in order to get rid of effects that I don't want to see, like mass recursion or things like Vengevine and Bloodghast that are better in a graveyard than the hand. Then again, if you have the mana to kick Sad Sac you should have played this already.
@Cheza - No, it shouldn't. I'd agree with you if it was a counterspell, but it isn't.
Then they printed this.
If I use a Cosi's Trickster, the wording on Haunting Echoes seems to indicate that for EACH CARD REMOVED, my opponent has to go through the searching/removing/shuffling process. Which would pump the trickster up tremendously.
does this work?
"I'll use my Bazzar"
"Go for it!"
The reason is that "Then that player shuffles their library" is a different sentence, which implies that it is a separate step. To resolve this card, you do three actions in order:
1. Exile cards from the graveyard
2. Search for all the other copies of the cards you exiled this way (technically a separate search action for each card, but I'm not aware of anything that triggers off searching someone else's library so this shouldn't matter.)
3. They shuffle.
Now Nils is a great artist (and his promo artisan of kozilek absolutely wins), but this one is positively abstract.
But I love it for it's awesome flavor. 4.5/5
My Top 5 Punch-Your-Friend-in-the-Face Card List:
#1. Haunting Echoes
#2. Extirpate
#3. Mind Shatter
#4. Blightning
#5. Sadistic Sacrament
Magic artwork: Not even once.
This card is simply everything it claims to be, which is basically skinning your opponent alive.
Kudos for keeping it at 5 casting cost as opposed to 6 or more, kudos for only 2 actual swamps in the casting cost.
I seen this played in fetch-style as finishing or one step before finishing blow after you do your work depleting library/hand or filling opponents graveyard, etc, and I seen it played quickly with dark ritual for an early beefed up extirpate effect.
Condor_96: you know it!