I think this card is overcosted for what it does... the basic purpose of drawing cards is to be able to cast them... and with a casting cost of 9... you just offer your opponent(s) a new hand of seven cards and most likely you are tapped out... not exactly a good situation for blue.
leomistico
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(4 votes)
I didn't know that Timetwister costs now... It's ok that That card is a P9, but it really has to cost so much to be balanced? I think (entwined) could be a balanced cost, or even ...
high_tide_niv
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(6 votes)
sometimes its fun to just say no one draws cards if you have a slight advantage
Mode
★★★★☆ (4.3/5.0)(3 votes)
@leomistico: Entwined for ? Wish granted.
The (seperate) spell itself (with alternate entwine cost) could be interesting for .
But i agree, seven mana is far too much for this spell to be useful.
Kryptnyt
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
I agree with High_tide here. This card is best played as a shutdown mechanism.
jwdavid
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
I've only really ever used it as a mind twist + library recursion, and when it was type 2 is served that purpose remarkably well. I have long since graduated that deck to Legacy format, and still use it very effectively for the same purpose! With sufficient card draw advantage, 7 mana to strip your opponents' hand(s) and reshuffle your deck is a bargain, and the alternate ability to draw 7... I might have used it once?!? Maybe?!? But it's there!
OmegaSerris
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Cthulhu? Anyone else see it?
I think the price increase it due to the fact you can choose. If it was just "Each player draws seven cards" I think you'd agree as that usually is decently expensive. The first half (and the other similar cards) slanted your view. You ALWAYS pay for the ability to choose in MtG, no matter what the options are.
With this you can just draw if you are ahead or locked them down. You can disrupt them with the shuffling effect if you are behind. Or you can entwine if the game has stagnated and you need a tie breaker.
MisterMelancholy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Does anybody else realize that this card goes to your graveyard whilst time reversal gets exiled? Besides, when you have infinite mana, this turns into a budget twister for draw-7 (because everything else is so damn expensive).
Combos aside, it's a 9 mana exact copy of TimeTwister that can be used differently depending on the situation, which TimeTwister can't do. I'm not saying that this card is anything compared to TimeTwister, but I don't think it's as bad as most people seem to think (kind of like Sphinx of Uthuun.
This card is best used if you want to play through your deck multiple times I think; it allows so many possibilities that aren't possible otherwise. (ex: Allowing a single Hornet Sting to be your win-con. Believe me, I had the deck.)
With hat being said, I'd rate this a 4.5/5 since it is a reprint of a P9 card with the option to trigger either half of the ability, as well as the full ability. Mana cost is irrelevant when it comes to game-bending power.
HairlessThoctar
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Almost entirely worthless now that Time Reversal has been printed.
So many people do not seem to realize that this card is best when you think you have the advantage and you play it to remove both the hand of graveyard of everyone. You force them to try to top-deck solutions.
3.5/5 from me, and 4.5/5 for commander.
majinara
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
This card already won me a dozen of Commander games. Beeing able to shuffle everyones graveyard and hand away is huge. It shuts down so many combos and decks. I play it in a Damia deck, since she doesn't care about a shuffled away hand.
The draw seven part is cute, but I can't remember using it yet. Still, beeing able to have others draw seven cards can be fun in multiplayer too.
This is the first time I've seen the gatherer community misunderstand a card. Some people get it but most dont. This isn't an over costed timetwister. At its best this is a identity crisis with options in blue. Great for EDH. 3/5
scorpious1109
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card would be great with a reverse entwine mechanic. For example, if it costs 2 LESS if entwined. Going off of Time Reversal, that would be fair and make it more versatile.
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The (seperate) spell itself (with alternate entwine cost) could be interesting for
But i agree, seven mana is far too much for this spell to be useful.
I have long since graduated that deck to Legacy format, and still use it very effectively for the same purpose! With sufficient card draw advantage, 7 mana to strip your opponents' hand(s) and reshuffle your deck is a bargain, and the alternate ability to draw 7... I might have used it once?!? Maybe?!?
But it's there!
I think the price increase it due to the fact you can choose. If it was just "Each player draws seven cards" I think you'd agree as that usually is decently expensive. The first half (and the other similar cards) slanted your view. You ALWAYS pay for the ability to choose in MtG, no matter what the options are.
With this you can just draw if you are ahead or locked them down. You can disrupt them with the shuffling effect if you are behind. Or you can entwine if the game has stagnated and you need a tie breaker.
Combos aside, it's a 9 mana exact copy of TimeTwister that can be used differently depending on the situation, which TimeTwister can't do. I'm not saying that this card is anything compared to TimeTwister, but I don't think it's as bad as most people seem to think (kind of like Sphinx of Uthuun.
This card is best used if you want to play through your deck multiple times I think; it allows so many possibilities that aren't possible otherwise. (ex: Allowing a single Hornet Sting to be your win-con. Believe me, I had the deck.)
With hat being said, I'd rate this a 4.5/5 since it is a reprint of a P9 card with the option to trigger either half of the ability, as well as the full ability. Mana cost is irrelevant when it comes to game-bending power.
Edit; I was way off.
Really bad Timetwister, or really good universal Identity Crisis?
You be the judge.
3.5/5 from me, and 4.5/5 for commander.
The draw seven part is cute, but I can't remember using it yet. Still, beeing able to have others draw seven cards can be fun in multiplayer too.
You choose the outcome depending on the situation: no cards in hand while they have many? Use Option 1.
Have Jin-Gitaxias/Niv-Mizzet out? Option 2.
You shouldn't choose both. It's like playing Collective Voyage without some untap shenanigans (EG Sword of Feast and Famine, Bear Umbra, Seedborn Muse, etc..)