Oh, I get it! It's like Lich! Except Lich is better in every way, and this card is garbage...
RATING: 0.5/5
thaviel
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
"Oh, I get it! It's like Lich! Except Lich is better in every way, and this card is garbage...
RATING: 0.5/5" - treima
yea you know except the part about Lich that says your life becomes 0 I find that having life is often a key part to my game where I know destroy effects are in play
unless you are playing some weird dovescape variant i have no idea how lich would be better.
Well...I guess it's simply cheaper than Platinum Angel and it only makes real sense to cast it right before you'd otherwise die - so when you have 1-3 life left. Then I'd see some potential. When you cast it with 20 life however it probably sucks...^^
ratchet1215
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
You can't diss a card like this too quickly...there's always a Johnny who will find a way to break it.
darkfury
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0)(3 votes)
This Soul Warden/similar cards Darien, King of Kjeldor
bam, no sacrifice, and no damage taken
Wolfboy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Teysa, Orzhov Scion and Darkest Hour can effectively ensure your immortality.
Provided you pull them.
LCL3030
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(2 votes)
How will this work with Tajuru Preserver (Rise of Eldrazi)?
Exuberance
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(3 votes)
Sorry darkfury, but you'll still take damage - you'll just immediately gain the life back afterwards. And I'm not sure if you can sac the Soldier tokens being made by the damage to Lich's Tomb.
However, your combo works well with the original Lich - sac some stuff, but draw that many cards thanks to the life gain from Soul Warden.
Guest1490290544
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@LCL3030: Tajuru preserver only prevents sacrificing things from opponents spells or effects, not your own.
McThor
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
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UltimaCenturion
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Lich is better because it draws cards, for one thing. Its an enchantment, so its harder to kill. You can Magus of the Mirror an opponent into oblivion. Or just Repay in Kind your way into instant win. Yeah, you're right. I have no idea how much better lich is, either. That, and if you cast this when you have more life than permanents, this is awful. Think about it. You still lose life, and you sacrifice permanents as well. Ergo, Lich does the same things as this, only better. I like the idea, though.
@Dark_Raider: You can't Flame Slash, Doom Blade, Path to Exile etc Lich's Tomb
EternalPhi
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@Exuberance I'm pretty sure you CAN sac the tokens made by Darien, King of Kjeldor since both trigger on loss of life and you control both triggers, so you would put lich tombs trigger on first then darien's, so that when lich tomb trigger resolves you have the soldiers to sac.
DarthParallax
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
ratchet: Challenge Accepted.
Immortal Coil: Immortality by Damage Prevention/loss of Graveyard Gets us cards like a 'Black Grim Lavamancer' though. :)
You lose when no cards are in your graveyard. Need to discard or sacrifice us some cards then.
Solitary Confinement Immortality by You are Hexproof and Damage Prevention Sacrifice it unless you discard.
Does not auto-kill you
Lich: Immortality by can't lose due to 0 life
Turns you into a Phyrexian Negator. You lose all your life. Lifegain becomes 'the Phyrexian Obliterator of Necropotence' if you know what I mean.
You lose if Lich goes to the graveyard.
Phyrexian Unlife: Immortality by can't die to 0 life
Damage infects you.
Immortal Coil and Phyrexian Unlife are both mitigated by Damage Prevention effects. Solitary Confinement just orders you to have Card Advantage or die. We're going to have lots of Card Advantage. Lich and Lich's Tomb make us sacrifice permanents, IF we take damage. This is good, because IF all that armor is actually peeled away, we will need a graveyard to pitch stuff to Immortal Coil.
Also, I'm going to need to borrow your Platinum Angel and a Persecutor Demon....and maybe a Lich's Mirror.
OK- NOW! Here's the Challenge I give to all Johnnies-
Auto Lose as many ways possible as you can think of at once using the 'Immortal' cards :)
TheBeardedDragon
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Simple but amusing combo could be Darksteel Forge + Lich's Tomb as you're about to die. Then make sure to keep Feldon's Cane and one land in hand at all times for the first pass. Then just sit and wait for your opponent to deck out in frustration. :P
LordRandomness
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker. Large quantity of small creatures (i.e. enough to soak up any damage that ends up getting through to you).
Darien, King of Kjeldor. You're damaged at the same time you lose life, so you can just choose to have the King trigger first, and then sacrifice the tokens. Huzzah!
DoragonShinzui
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
People don't seem to realize that this doesn't prevent life loss. It just makes it so you can't lose from it.
The sac clause is IN ADDITION to the lifeloss, which makes this...underwhelming to say the least. Any time you lose life ever, there goes yet another permanent, including it.
ISE5104
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You are quite the unimaginative lot to give this such a low rating. This plus shadow born apostles+ xathrid necromancer+ parallel lives gives me enough tokens to really stay on the field. Add in shirei, and we might be talking infinite lives barring a phage or infect.
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- treima
yea you know except the part about Lich that says your life becomes 0 I find that having life is often a key part to my game where I know destroy effects are in play
unless you are playing some weird dovescape variant i have no idea how lich would be better.
Soul Warden/similar cards
Darien, King of Kjeldor
bam, no sacrifice, and no damage taken
Provided you pull them.
However, your combo works well with the original Lich - sac some stuff, but draw that many cards thanks to the life gain from Soul Warden.
I like the idea, though.
Play Fountain Watch. Attach a Whispersilk Cloak or similar. If life gets very low, play Lich's Tomb. Instant invulnerability.
If you've got 2 mana open per turn and your 2 artifacts don't die, you're invincible.
THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING.
RATING: 0.5/5
- treima
I'm pretty sure you CAN sac the tokens made by Darien, King of Kjeldor since both trigger on loss of life and you control both triggers, so you would put lich tombs trigger on first then darien's, so that when lich tomb trigger resolves you have the soldiers to sac.
Immortal Coil:
Immortality by Damage Prevention/loss of Graveyard
Gets us cards like a 'Black Grim Lavamancer' though. :)
You lose when no cards are in your graveyard. Need to discard or sacrifice us some cards then.
Solitary Confinement
Immortality by You are Hexproof and Damage Prevention
Sacrifice it unless you discard.
Does not auto-kill you
Lich:
Immortality by can't lose due to 0 life
Turns you into a Phyrexian Negator.
You lose all your life. Lifegain becomes 'the Phyrexian Obliterator of Necropotence' if you know what I mean.
You lose if Lich goes to the graveyard.
Phyrexian Unlife:
Immortality by can't die to 0 life
Damage infects you.
Immortal Coil and Phyrexian Unlife are both mitigated by Damage Prevention effects.
Solitary Confinement just orders you to have Card Advantage or die. We're going to have lots of Card Advantage.
Lich and Lich's Tomb make us sacrifice permanents, IF we take damage. This is good, because IF all that armor is actually peeled away, we will need a graveyard to pitch stuff to Immortal Coil.
Also, I'm going to need to borrow your Platinum Angel and a Persecutor Demon....and maybe a Lich's Mirror.
OK- NOW! Here's the Challenge I give to all Johnnies-
Auto Lose as many ways possible as you can think of at once using the 'Immortal' cards :)
The sac clause is IN ADDITION to the lifeloss, which makes this...underwhelming to say the least. Any time you lose life ever, there goes yet another permanent, including it.