directly refers to planeswalkers on the card! no longer relegated to the generic "permanent" type to deal with them. hopefully this is a coming trend as they have decided we are ready to have planeswalkers be an accepted permanent type. this card is the amazing other half of duress. not quite thoughtseize but we can't have everything we want.
Rumblin-Slumm
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
I like this in that I no longer have to use Inquisition of Kozilek in hopes of grabbing a key creature on early turns, or having it as a dead draw against a deck running Primeval Titan. Now, I KNOW I will get a creature
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Instant
Deal 3 damage to target player, then remove an enblem from that player's command zone.
dragonking987
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Gabriel422 they have already stooped using emblems as a key word.
infernox10
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
This is probably going to be among the ranks of Inquisition of Kozilek and Duress in the current Standard, which is good.
krauser-gogetthegirl
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
wow wizards is really pushin on planeswalkers. and on turn one. how creative. does wizards try to sculpt standard? with all the new cards dealing with counters and destroying permants after jace rocked standard? my gut is telling me......... we will never know.
Hayw00d0909
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(9 votes)
Why is Jace, The Mindsculpter not being decapitated in this artwork?
vaiserious
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(3 votes)
Sweet :)
VoidedNote
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Turn 1: This + Surgical Extraction Turn 2: Rinse and repeat
MasterOfEtherium
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Dam Turn 1 O-Ring if u ask me. Awesome planeswalkers get annoying, trust me i got tons of em. AWESOME ART. REALLY POWERFUL. 5/5
MrBarrelRoll
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(4 votes)
Just like Hex Parasite, this would have been a much better answer to Jace the Cheesesculptor is they had never printed Mental Misstep to counter it.
Kryptnyt
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(6 votes)
No one has mentioned it, but this is a direct upgrade over Ostracize. I never thought that card was bad enough to outclass.
This is 'better' than duress because creatures are repeatable damage dealers? :s
Macsen
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(6 votes)
Screw you overpriced planeswalker, ***!
Splizer
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(3 votes)
Psychadelic art, but then again, good discard spells should be like that
Axelle
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Geth: "I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE YOU!!"
rinoh20
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
i despise your jace with a deep and bitter hatred. begone.
tantallum99
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
this card coming out at uncommon? probably why thoughtseize went from $30 to $12 as soon as it was spoiled. Thoughtseize is still better, but not $10 better, let alone $28 better...
hmmm, wonder if the despise + surgical extraction combo will mean JACE will become cheaper...? um, probably not!
Shadoflaam
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
I saw someone pull this on a guy who got 3 Karn Liberateds in the Prerelease. He had one in his hand. Everyone felt he deserved it, and much sympathy was had when he played another one and killed the poor bastard.
BlackAlbino
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(3 votes)
please quit saying this is so good because it hits planeswalkers, duress hit planeswalkers. it's rated lower yet it hits such a wider variety of targets. most notably, this wont hit their counter spells. WAY over-hyped. inquisition hits most creatures anyway. the few others that'll slip through can be easily handled. and thoughtseize IS $28 better. it hits EVERYTHING. now to be honest though, i wont actually pay $30 for just about any piece of paper
Askthespartan
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(2 votes)
This really should have included Jace in the artwork.
WateryMind
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
"That's a very nice Jace/ Stoneforge you have there... Not anymore :)" "You prick." "Really? *Pays two life for Surgical Extraction*" "FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUU-"
DeathDark
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Considering the Lore, that might've been a better flavor text if Sheoldred had said it.
MechaKraken
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(4 votes)
Let's say your opponent casts this and proceeds to look at your hand. Is your opponent allowed to have a scrap of paper handy, and record what cards are in your hand? I had a bit of an arguement here with my opponent - as to where it says on the card "record what cards are in that players hand".
Gerbil_Lord
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
The recording cards thing is common practice, and I've never seen a judge protest about it, AND I don't see why you can't, as if you couldn't they would just stare at your hand for 30 secs to memorize it, and it would just punish people with bad memories. That said, I'm not a judge, so who knows.
MyrBattlecube
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
@Axelle After reading that, I have to do this. "Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate. " --Geth, Lord of the Vault
TherealphatMatt
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(2 votes)
I have a friend who, by freakish luck, draws his Planeswalker all the time on the first turn. I love this card.
JFM2796
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Planeswalker hate? I don't think of I've ever seen anything like that. Good card. Kind of a reverse Duress. 4*
DacenOctavio
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(4 votes)
Eh, it's no Duress. Both this and Duress only saw a ton of play when every deck had Jace in it. . . now it's not that great. This should not be rated nearly as high as Contract from Below.
They still use Emblems, dude. Look at Venser, Koth, and Elspeth. All three are in this block... EDIT: Apparently it's the OTHER Elspeth that gives an Emblem. Still, my point stands.
lorendorky
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
I think this cards value is going to go up as time passes and more sets come out. The more Planeswalkers there are, the more incentive and synergy there is to play lots of them.
Totema
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I love this! But, I'm not really sure what happens in the art.
blindloyalty
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
An interesting variation on Duress. Useful in any good control deck in Standard, or for keeping the battlefield clear in aggro decks. Really nice art as well.
Mike-C
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0)(1 vote)
@Dacen: Yah but, who plays for ante anymore??
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
until Jace gets banned in Vintage (which he will never be) his haters will constantly rate this card a bit higher than it quite should be. 3.8/5 stars is reasonable.
TheWrathofShane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I would say this is more reliable then duress. Most decks have creatures, and when they dont have any creatures, they are most definitely running planeswalkers.
But some decks run 100% creatures and practically no instants or sorcerys. And duress does nothing against them.
Keiya
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card will make Ostracize... ostracized from all decks that it used to see play in...
MRK1
★★★★☆ (4.6/5.0)(5 votes)
Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You choose a nonartifact, nonenchantment, noninstant, nonsorcery, nonland card from it. That player discards that card.
Rated at 3... Thoughtseize not only targets any nonland... It targets any player, not just an opponent... For those times you have a card you need in your graveyard...
Kariuko
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Zylo- Thoughtseize costs $25+. This here is the "real" world, baby
I love this in my UB mill/control deck opening hand to stop early bird attackers and make up a plan. Later on, after opponent has reached +5 lands, it starts losing effectiveness by comparison with blackmail, for example, but still comes in handy to mess with the oponent's head, "do I play this creature right away with no room for answering a mana leak or do i risk getting a Despise and losing it next turn anyway?", which is the real purpose of control magic, I think
GrimjawxRULES
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Kariuko: Really? I see it at ~ 15 $ atm. Not impossible to trade for it, especially since Desecration Demon and Nightveil Specter jumped in prices recently. Just wait a bit until the market has been flooded with Thoughtseizes. We may yet see it fall to below 10 $ in a couple of months.
Mode
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
"Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You choose a nonartifact, nonenchantment, noninstant, nonsorcery, nonland card from it. That player discards that card." — MRK1
Not quite the same actually. You can choose all of those card types as long as they're creature or planeswalker cards as well. For example, this can make your opponent discard an artifact creature, enchantment creature or land creature card.
DeadLeeCoC
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A little underrated. Its almost a preemptive doom blade with a the option for planeswalkers. A little cheaper even.
This is invaluable for against aggro creature decks that would otherwise outspeed you if you dont get rid of their big-bad before it hits the table.
Anzu-chan
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Strictly better than Ostracize, but Planeswalkers didn't exist back then.
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Instant
Deal 3 damage to target player, then remove an enblem from that player's command zone.
Turn 2: Rinse and repeat
hmmm, wonder if the despise + surgical extraction combo will mean JACE will become cheaper...? um, probably not!
"You prick."
"Really? *Pays two life for Surgical Extraction*"
"FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUU-"
"Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate. "
--Geth, Lord of the Vault
Good card. Kind of a reverse Duress. 4*
EDIT: Apparently it's the OTHER Elspeth that gives an Emblem. Still, my point stands.
But some decks run 100% creatures and practically no instants or sorcerys. And duress does nothing against them.
Thoughtseize costs $25+. This here is the "real" world, baby
I love this in my UB mill/control deck opening hand to stop early bird attackers and make up a plan. Later on, after opponent has reached +5 lands, it starts losing effectiveness by comparison with blackmail, for example, but still comes in handy to mess with the oponent's head, "do I play this creature right away with no room for answering a mana leak or do i risk getting a Despise and losing it next turn anyway?", which is the real purpose of control magic, I think
Not quite the same actually.
You can choose all of those card types as long as they're creature or planeswalker cards as well. For example,
this can make your opponent discard an artifact creature, enchantment creature or land creature card.
This is invaluable for against aggro creature decks that would otherwise outspeed you if you dont get rid of their big-bad before it hits the table.