There's better out there, but this thing's a bomb in Limited and it's useful in the aforementioned Nihil Stone.dek to clear the opponent's hand after the Quest goes online when you fire off your Blightning.
mutantman
★☆☆☆☆ (1.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Seems like a decent sideboard card for Vampires. I feel like Mind Sludge is a better card though.
Too expensive to be usable in a vampire deck. if it's base cost was 2 it might be there, but it's just not fast enough. Much better to use Mind sludge for 5. you'll probably get at least 4 cards from their hand. for the same cost with this thing you only get 2.
RHS
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(3 votes)
The only new vampire I considder adding to my vampire-control deck. It competes with Mind Sludge, where Mind Sludge is better if the enemy have 5 cards at hand, while this is more reliable as it will have full effect even if my enemy have only a few cards, or I have mana-trouble.
I am undecided, but I like the concept (and great art!)
majinara
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0)(8 votes)
Man that's some junk. A 2/2 for 3 is horrible these days. And "discard two and get a wimpy 2/2 for 5" is bad too. It's somewhat like abyssal horror. If you want to make your opponent discard two cards, then the horror does the same but has flying for one more mana. The big difference though: if you flicker the horror, or zombify it, or copy it or anything else, it's ability triggers and makes your opponent discard another two. That doesn't work with this vampire. That said, abyssal horror is still bad, as is this dude.
Guest643499915
★★☆☆☆ (2.9/5.0)(4 votes)
This is basically mind sludge with a vampire attached to it, and most times by the time you drop sludge, your opponent doesn't have more than 3 cards in hand anyways. If your opponent has less cards, you can scale it back and leave mana open. It's fantastic. 4.5/5
signok79
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I would re-think my crypt of agedeem deck because of this card. For laughs throw in red forblaze andburning inquiry
True_Smog
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Nice vampire, very nice.
Grimn777
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(5 votes)
a useful card, notably for its versatility. Yes, it is not a very efficient creature as a 2/2 for 3 cmc, and yes, it is not as good as mind sludge for the same amount of mana, but if it were as good or better in both of those roles, it would be broken. Not a very fair comparison, but think of cryptic command. Not good cmc at all for any one of its abilities when isolated, it was format defining because it could fill ALL of those roles.
In a vampire deck, many times you want to play another creature to beat with rather than devote the turn to a mind sludge that does not affect the board. Other times, you will have a clear board advantage and want to nullify any tricks they are holding.
Interesting, but I do not think it will quite make the cut.
3.5/5
HairlessThoctar
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Comes with the 'drawback' that most kicker critters do in that its not that hot without being kicked, but a fantastic topdeck.
Diachronos
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
Imagine pairing this with Skull Collector. Every turn, bounce it back to your hand, then play and kick it again!
Cheza
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.7/5.0)(3 votes)
I don't like the card. Blightning is fine, because cmc 3 makes a fine card for a double discard effect, if you gain an additional bonus. As would a cmc 4 card with triple discard. A cmc 4 creature with disard 1 is stupid and it doesn't get better, if you multikicker. Even Raveneous Rats should have been cmc1 creatures with a dying effect instead of a cip/etb effect.
iNathan
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(1 vote)
hmm, i actually really like this card, its helped me alot in some matches lately, especially when i hace Liliana's Caress on the field.
krauser-gogetthegirl
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
i like this guy. i use dark tutlage in my vamp deck. i only lose three life *if* i flip him with the tutlage. he is a beast. Many people have had their day ruined by bloodsucker.
Silence9
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
I think this card's current rating sits a little low. It is def better than most people think. 5 mana for discard 2 and a 2/2 body? Thats a lot better than Mind Sludge IMO, save for the time you get lucky and buddy has more than two cards in hand.. Evaluating is layers deep. What's going on with your opponents hand by "turn 5?" not a hell of a lot unless they're Blue? 4/5 for Ritualist. I would run him over Mind Sludge any day,
Venshad
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(1 vote)
I think that people are forgeting about CARD ADVANTAGE.
Considering you have the mana, you can just wipe your opponent's hand with 1 card.
Let's say you cam pay 7 for this creature. Now your opponent has 4 fewer cards in his hand, for the price of 7 manas and ONE card.
Think about it.
TastetheJace
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Has a little Kerrigan, Queen of Blades thing goin' on here. (From the first legendary StarCraft, not it's sub-par sequel).
blurrymadness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A lot of people think discard is dead if it occurs at T4 or later. If you ramped at all and you're in a serious match, you may well get the chance for a 3-for-1 at 5 mana, if you do, take it! If you don't? Who cares? you have a 2/2 still.
2/1s and 2/2s with abilities win games. Any kind of control deck will hate it when you drop him; or a deck that missed it's curve a bit. It's also non-dead discard; which I'm really starting to appreciate. If your discard deck isn't about pure tempo, then non-dead discard is highly important.
Still mindstab thrull is, IMO, quite superior. The ability to drop him for 3 and still cause 3 discard later is hot; but they work in different decks. I'll try this guy sometime in G/B. Any kind of ramp can turn this guy into a color-light mind shatter.
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There's better out there, but this thing's a bomb in Limited and it's useful in the aforementioned Nihil Stone.dek to clear the opponent's hand after the Quest goes online when you fire off your Blightning.
I am undecided, but I like the concept (and great art!)
That said, abyssal horror is still bad, as is this dude.
In a vampire deck, many times you want to play another creature to beat with rather than devote the turn to a mind sludge that does not affect the board. Other times, you will have a clear board advantage and want to nullify any tricks they are holding.
Interesting, but I do not think it will quite make the cut.
3.5/5
Considering you have the mana, you can just wipe your opponent's hand with 1 card.
Let's say you cam pay 7 for this creature. Now your opponent has 4 fewer cards in his hand, for the price of 7 manas and ONE card.
Think about it.
2/1s and 2/2s with abilities win games. Any kind of control deck will hate it when you drop him; or a deck that missed it's curve a bit. It's also non-dead discard; which I'm really starting to appreciate. If your discard deck isn't about pure tempo, then non-dead discard is highly important.
Still mindstab thrull is, IMO, quite superior. The ability to drop him for 3 and still cause 3 discard later is hot; but they work in different decks. I'll try this guy sometime in G/B. Any kind of ramp can turn this guy into a color-light mind shatter.