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Knacksaw Clique

Multiverse ID: 146036

Knacksaw Clique

Comments (14)

EnV
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0) (3 votes)
Don't get your hopes up. It says you may play the card but it didn't say that you could play it without it's mana cost. But keep this in a side deck and use it against decks you know have specific colors that fir your mana criteria.
Lege
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
Hook this thing up with a Lavamancer's skill or a Hermetic Study or something similar and you have an endless damage & milling loop. Or better yet, Power of Fire which is a common card in the same set. The mana cost on the untap ability is a bit prohibitive though.
PhagePoker
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (5 votes)
Certainly this card is harder to use against a deck not of your color, but you can still use it to play lands from your opponents deck and again to play his cards with his lands. Besides that, this card is pretty good at plain milling, although I know better cards exist. Overall, considering this card's rather unique effect, I would definitely consider using it and certainly wouldn't toss it out of hand.
teh_mummy
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0) (4 votes)
this is one of the best mill/control cards I've seen that's not a mythic rare. combo it with heartstone and utopia vow with that right there you can mill infinitely (unless you're against blue or red) if you can draw your opponents land you can also play there deck against them.

bottom line this creature has beefy toughness to protect it fromflame jab/volcanic hammer
DocGodin
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Yeah, the having to cast the stolen card is a bit of a drawback, but I suggest putting a bunch of vivid lands in your deck to remedy that...That's the only real solution to that I think.
izzet_guild_mage
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
On the bright side, after you saw off a few lands, it'll be easier to meet the colored mana requirements :)
channelblaze
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Would go well with paradise mantle, since you could make any color for the exiled card and it would mill like crazy.
storophanthus
★☆☆☆☆ (1.7/5.0) (3 votes)
i don't know why its rating is far lower than gilder bairn, i might be wrong . i know that in place of not playing paradise mantle + training grounds combo, gilder bairn is better, but its not that far i think. if the combo works, you may play almost all cards in the opponent library (perhaps their mythic rare or rare) or maybe using some of his/her lands.
for gilder you need at least one permanent which already has a counter on it. 4.5/5

Edit: ok, i build a combo deck with this.. and it is not a fun way to win. so i rate it lower now.
NoobOfLore
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Irreversible milling, if you don't/can't play the spell.

Paradise mantle is the best friend of all untap creatures.
ROBRAM89
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Your deck is almost certainly blue/black, so unless they're playing monocolor there's a decent chance you can play their card.

Also, in the (very) long run, you could take a land from their deck and splash their color anyway.
Fert12334
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Hmm, I see some comments saying to play this with Training Grounds and Paradise Mantle to go infinite... Cool combo, and I think a simple Earthcraft and Utopia Sprawl on a Forest would work too if you're willing to add Green. :) (Or any of the many other land enchantments like that, Wild Growth on an Island is another example. Mana-doublers such as Caged Sun or Mana Reflection work as well) Well, and if you're willing go outside of Modern for Earthcraft. o_o
I guess you could even get infinite mana out of it if you play an Overgrowth on an Island!
...But that would be kind of pointless, as you'd already have their entire deck exiled. XD

Anyways, about the card, I love it! For some reason it seems like it could really shine in EDH. Hmm, I guess you could only cast cards with the same colors as your deck from the EDH rules... Still, there's usually a player with at least one color that you also play! And you could still get lands that produce colorless if they're off color. Okay, okay, I guess it's not quite that great in Commander. XP
My point was that this could be really good in slower formats. (i.e. multi player games in general)
MojoVince
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (2 votes)
A simple Earthcraft LOL , wake up man Tempest it's 15 years back in time !

Not a lot of people got this card in hand and as i remember i got one but can't tell what i did with it as for my tolarian academy , exploration , recurring nighmare , sure some tinker ( i found one back at least! ) ...

I remembered selling a cursed scroll and a Volrath's Stronghold in order to buy boosters , i was a poor young boy back in time and there were a lot of bastards ready to fool you on deal with no internet to help but still a monthly magazine with prices .