Theoretical Question: If I have 4 suntail hawks and my opponent targets a hawk to bounce all 4 back, if I use something to put the targeted hawk into the graveyard (i.e. terror), will my other hawks still bounce?
I mean, by the time echoing truth resolves the targeted hawk is no longer a legal target...
@siexero . i beleive they would still b returned as the secon efect is not condtional on the first resolving......but i may be wroung
skew
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The whole time I believed this bounces only cretures and today I look at and say to myself: ".... What ? (O-o) "
What the hell, how come it's common ?
EDIT:
@SirXero : I think you make the target illegal, and since it's the only target, the spell fizzles. The other cards should stay on the battlefield.
Blazer_Dawg
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What does this do to face-down creatures? Does it return them all? Or just the one targeted creature?
divine_exodus
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@SirXero:
They would not bounce back. In response to your opponent's echoing truth, you play terror, both go on the stack. Here's what would happen:
Terror is on the stack, resolves. Suntail Hawk is put into the graveyard.
Echoing truth resolves, it's target is no longer there. Nothing happens.
You still have 3 hawks and the game continues.
Hope this helps!
vh_2k
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4/5, useful only in very specific situations.
cathode01
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The nice thing about this card is that not only does it deal with creature tokens but it also nicely gets rid of other types of tokens like copies of artifacts.
Vinifera7
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It's very unusual for commons to have sweeping effects like this. Amazing utility.
blurrymadness
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What drives me nuts is this when you have different kinds of tokens that have the same name. I've had 6/6 oozes, 5/5 oozes and 1/1 oozes all out at the same time and they all just get bounced. They're not the same you stupid card! GAHHH!
That said.. I've been meaning to get a playset :P
good.beats.for.all
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SKEW: the spell will get countered for not having a legal target meaning none of it's effects happen so the rest of your guys would be safe. Back on topic this really does a mean things to token decks. Where was this when fearies reigned supreme?
It reminds me of mealstrom pulse
DacenOctavio
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This. . . Is a very tough choice vs. Into the Roil.
TheKoop
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This is the perfect anti-token card. I've been wondering about this, how are tokens named? Most cards don't name them so is their name blank? For example if I used this on a 5/5 demon token, would all 0/1 eldrazi tokens leave as well?
Daijin26
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@TheKoop
Per the official Magic Rules, when tokens are generated, they do have a name. The token's name is whatever creature types the token has.
Example: a token is generated that is a blue 1/1 Merfolk Soldier. The name of the token is Merfolk Soldier and has the creature types Merfolk and Soldier.
The only time a token has a specfic name is if the ability that is creating the token states what name it has. Helm of Kaldra is a good example of this as well as all of the Spellshaper creature cards from Future Sight where they created creature tokens that where named specifically after old Magic cards, such as creating tokens named Llanowar Elves via Llanowar Mentor or tokens named Cloud Sprite via Cloudseeder and sharing the same abilities as their actual card-printed counterparts.
Just remembered Dark Depths as another example of a card generating a token with a specific name.
TheWrathofShane
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Obviously the most broken of the cycle.
Kadaver666
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I adore this card, great for control decks. So much better than other unsummon cards for the same cost.
BlakeHN
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@Blazer_Dawg - I think I can answer that, as I recently played a Commander game on MTGO where a similar issue arose:
Somebody played Ixidron and morphed everything, then another player cast Sever the Bloodline on one of the newly-morphed creatures (I assume it was meant to be a cheap move... you know the type: plays strategy, combo and control, and then gets all butthurt when it doesn't go their way)...
Anyway, turns out that face-down creatures having NO name isn't the same as having the SAME name, so it would only bounce the initial target...
j0es
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Always thought of Homing Lightning to be a greatest token killing card, but this can get the job done with half mana.
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Wolf
Creature - wolf
2/2 they have a name and therefore tokens can be bounced by this spell.
(edit) Im mixing this up with cards like Runed Halo and Meddling Mage where the case is about actual magic cards. My bad everybody...
You: "Oh ok, cool. But, uh... Echoing Truth."
Oppoennt: ...
I mean, by the time echoing truth resolves the targeted hawk is no longer a legal target...
What the hell, how come it's common ?
EDIT:
@SirXero : I think you make the target illegal, and since it's the only target, the spell fizzles. The other cards should stay on the battlefield.
They would not bounce back. In response to your opponent's echoing truth, you play terror, both go on the stack. Here's what would happen:
Terror is on the stack, resolves. Suntail Hawk is put into the graveyard.
Echoing truth resolves, it's target is no longer there. Nothing happens.
You still have 3 hawks and the game continues.
Hope this helps!
I've had 6/6 oozes, 5/5 oozes and 1/1 oozes all out at the same time and they all just get bounced. They're not the same you stupid card! GAHHH!
That said.. I've been meaning to get a playset :P
It reminds me of mealstrom pulse
Per the official Magic Rules, when tokens are generated, they do have a name. The token's name is whatever creature types the token has.
Example: a token is generated that is a blue 1/1 Merfolk Soldier. The name of the token is Merfolk Soldier and has the creature types Merfolk and Soldier.
The only time a token has a specfic name is if the ability that is creating the token states what name it has. Helm of Kaldra is a good example of this as well as all of the Spellshaper creature cards from Future Sight where they created creature tokens that where named specifically after old Magic cards, such as creating tokens named Llanowar Elves via Llanowar Mentor or tokens named Cloud Sprite via Cloudseeder and sharing the same abilities as their actual card-printed counterparts.
Just remembered Dark Depths as another example of a card generating a token with a specific name.
Somebody played Ixidron and morphed everything, then another player cast Sever the Bloodline on one of the newly-morphed creatures (I assume it was meant to be a cheap move... you know the type: plays strategy, combo and control, and then gets all butthurt when it doesn't go their way)...
Anyway, turns out that face-down creatures having NO name isn't the same as having the SAME name, so it would only bounce the initial target...