Pointed Discussion

Give it proper acceleration and it will dominate any wrath-less multiplayer board. It's trouble when it gets going.

in grand melee, because multiple upkeeps happen at once, this dude becomes a beast.
just pray your neighbors dont have direct removal

i prefer bringer of the green dawn, costs less and you 3/3s instead of 1/1s

@GreatWulf: This guy gets you 1/1s EVERY upkeep, and last time I checked, saprolings had more support cards than beasts (Verdeloth the Ancient, every Thallid ever made).

Plus, Bringer costs 9 and has less P/T. The alternate WUBRG cost is irrelevant. Why would you do 5 color token gen? This is strictly better in my book.

I agree with kelrath. In most respects this seems considerably worse then a mycoloth. I'd say the high rating this gets is more of a reflection on how incredibly good mycoloth is, rather then that this doesn't deserve as high a rating as it has gotten.

very amusing casual card

Yes, Mycoloth makes more Saprolings at a time. The thing is, Mycoloth needs 1/1 counters to generate Saprolings, so you either need a way to give him some or Devour creatures. If you have to Devour, you need to have creatures on the field that you can afford to sacrifice.

On the other hand, Verdant Force generates a Saproling every turn instead of just yours.

Of course, there's no reason you can't have both of them in your deck :D

Awesome card, the thing is the effect stacks, 4 in play and you get 4 saprolings per every turn. Used with Rhys the redeemed, you enforce stalemate very quickly if you are playing someone that's not using fliers, that is until you attack with your force of saprolings. ;)

Anyone who says "Mycoloth isn't as good as this guy cuz you need to sac a creature to get him going" Is missing something. Idek what, but theyre missing something. Khalni Garden. There ya go. Fists of Ironwood. There ya go. When you sacrifice OOONE creature loth gets twice as good as verdant force. when you run a token deck and sacrifice twelve to loth? Well then. you do the math.

This card splashes into Green decks better than Mycoloth because it doesn't require creature sacrifice to create creature advantage. Mycoloth needs a deck full of bears and 1/1s to run efficiently, and spamming small creatures tends to eat up hand advantage. Verdant Force's high score is a result of it's efficiency in any Green deck. It doesn't produce as much as Mycoloth, but it's easy to play efficiently, and thus has less weight on deck-occupation.

What I'm seeing here is an extremely watered-down Mycoloth for even more mana than the good version. With that comparison in mind, why is this a 4/5? The cost is far too high for that effect and rating, imo.

@Kelrath: It's rated highly because, for the 11 YEARS of magic between when this was printed and Mycoloth (1997 to 2008), this WAS the most efficient, best token-producing fatty. Some of you new players complaining about old cards seem to be missing the fact that creatures only got really good in the last ~3 years. I just came back to the game this year, and one of the first cards I saw was Leatherback Baloth. And it blew me away. AN UNCOMMON! Why? It's a 4/5 for GGG! That was unheard-of when I played back in this era (~Stronghold to Odyssey)! Something like Mycoloth producing ~5+ tokens per turn was also unheard of! The reason is: they had always overestimated creatures and understimated removal. Now that that's changed, they can confidently print crazy creatures because any of them could easily die to removal.

4.5/5 for being one of my favourite creatures EVER, and for ~10 years of thinking the tokens only happened on MY upkeep (I'dve won a bunch more games had I really noticed >.<)!

It is not competition caliber. It wasn't designed for competition. It was designed for people who love huge creatures with splashy effects whatever the cost. And it is a poster child for the success of such design. It is crazy fun to play, and getting an expensive and powerful creature to the battlefield is part of the fun. The kind of person who revels in Verdant Force is usually the same person who is leery of devouring creatures with Mycoloth. They were designed for different people and shouldn't be judged on the same scale.

the art was obviously inspired by force of nature, I'm not even gonna autocard cus you should all already know what that card looks like.

also about mycoloth, my mom plays a fungus deck and she often has at least 10 saprolings by the time she plays it, sacing all of them makes it a 24/24 creature that makes 20 saprolings every turn...
I usually hold back a terror just in case.

Verdant Force has the advantage for almost always granting you a single token, as often your opponent will need to untap to throw a removal spell at his face. The best fatties guarantee a return on the investment, even if they get killed, with having haste or "enters the battlefield" triggers. While Verdant Force doesn't technically have one of them (and the initial return is small), it comes close. Creatures tend to be better designed nowdays, but the Force was good enough for it's time to see play along side Natural Order.

Comparitively, Mycoloth is sheer garbage. Not only does it lack the ability to immediately refund some of the mana you sink into it, it requires additional risk to do anything of use. The trend towards better design does not apply in this case.

probably my all-time favorite magic card. I'm running him in an edh deck with BOTH him AND mycoloth. there's no reason why they can't be friends...

I made fun of this guy one time. Then an older, wiser player corrected me.

@scumbling: Sheer garbage, Mycoloth!? I think you might have missed the part where Mycoloth costs 3 mana less than this with the potential to become a shitload more powerful. Obviously any deck based around him will have expendable creatures to sacrifice to him.

I'd say Mycoloth is actually better than this. Though I guess they're really just different, also you must take into account this was printed far before Mycoloth.

I suppose you can get it out on turn 4 if you play Heartbeat of Spring or Overabundance but that depends on if you're willing to let your opponent have double mana, which is almost always a nono in my books. Overabundance has slight draw back for damage but if you're using your saprolings to fuel a Utopia Mycon for mana with a Manabarbs in play, players will be forced to adopt a conservative approach. Alternatively (and probably the better option) you can use Vernal Bloom since it only doubles the mana of all forests meaning you have lower chance of giving your opponent some advantage unless they're running monogreen as well. what else was there... as yes Dramatic Entrance. Use Elves to make most of these cards work a turn earlier and hey you have a turn 3-4 Verdant force.