Wow, a 7/7 human!? And I thought the humans from the Legends set were huge!
Keegan__
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0)(2 votes)
It should have the ETB effect placed before the upkeep ability so when a player reads this card they're all like "wha? That doe - =O AWESOME!!!!!!1!1!2"
h4mx0r
★★☆☆☆ (2.1/5.0)(4 votes)
Wait, so it's a 7/7 first strike that changes control between different players? Seriously guys, what's the point of giving it haste if it loses haste when it comes into play? That, or I'm missing something here.
Haze01
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Oracle text seems to be quite a bit different from the card text...
YotianSoldier
★★☆☆☆ (2.2/5.0)(5 votes)
I guessing that haste used to work differently. When this card was printed, a creature probably "came into play" when it changed controlers as well as when it was cast. It's haste looks to be worded so that the caster dosen't get haste but players that later gain control of it do. (otherwise it would suffer summoning sickness nearly every turn) Since changing controlers dosen't change the cards in-play status anymore his sudo-haste is redundant. Thus, "looses haste untill end of turn".
majinara
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0)(6 votes)
Creatures can't attack unless you controlled them since the beginning of your turn. If you gain control of the lord because of his ability, then you could normally NOT attack with him that turn, because you just control him since his triggered ability resolved during your upkeep, and not since the beginning of your turn. But since he has haste, you can attack with him that turn.
The point of him losing haste when he enters the battlefield the first time is to not let people attack with him the turn he comes into play. Instead, it's there to allow players to attack with him after the controller changed. Else the controller might change back and forth without anyone beeing able to attack.
All in all it's an interesting card imho, but the creature creep made a 7/7 first striker for seven mana pretty redundant. Today he'd have to be something like 10/10 trample first strike for the same amount of mana.
Duskdale_Wurm
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Love Ice Age cards.
lukemol
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(4 votes)
Exists solely to go in my no win-condition multiplayer Total Chaos deck. Creatures flying all around the board, players getting extra turns at random, coins flipping, Risky Move, Thieves' Auction, Goblin Game, Hive Mind, Shared Fate....And many more. It's gonna be fun!
A3Kitsune
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Oracle wording will change when the September 2010 Update comes into force. Unfortunetly, he won't get a second creature type with the change. Why is he just a Human? Why didn't WotC give him the Warrior type when they took away his Lord type?
Kirbster
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(4 votes)
"I AM REALLY MEAN."
divine_exodus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
"Chaos Lord can attack as though it had haste unless it entered the battlefield this turn."
Isn't that what haste does? It let's you attack on the first turn you cast it?
tavaritz
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(4 votes)
Normally, but haste also let's the creature attack the turn you get control of it. In this case the haste is given only after his on battlefield so that whoever gets him can use him the same turn.
Costs though too much to be any fun. Despotic Scepter is definately a combo with him.
heavyterror
★★★★☆ (4.7/5.0)(3 votes)
ZEDRUU!
jfre81
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(3 votes)
An old favorite from my earlier days playing. Always thought of this as the Lord of the Pit of red.
Got eight mana and you can finish 'em with a swing for seven? Go for it. Eight mana? Yes. Equip with Strider Harness for haste after you play him. And with some instant-speed burn/removal you can do a bit to try to keep the number of permanents an odd number when your upkeep rolls around. If you lose it, you can steal it back for your attack with Act of Treason.
It's hardly the best big red creature out there, but it's not horrible and it's dripping with red flavor.
Thomas_204
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.8/5.0)(2 votes)
This card is so all over the place and confusing it makes me laugh. It makes sense, but seriously; I had to read it like 3 times before I thought R&D was smoking a bit too much reefer.
Lord_of_Tresserhorn
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
He's REALLY MEAN! :D
This card can be terribly annoying - having to keep track of the number of permanents all the time?
Might be cool comboed with Blinking Spirit to control the number of permanents at the end of your opponent's turn.
Also, at that size, I wonder why they did not make him a Giant Warrior or something.
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The point of him losing haste when he enters the battlefield the first time is to not let people attack with him the turn he comes into play. Instead, it's there to allow players to attack with him after the controller changed. Else the controller might change back and forth without anyone beeing able to attack.
All in all it's an interesting card imho, but the creature creep made a 7/7 first striker for seven mana pretty redundant. Today he'd have to be something like 10/10 trample first strike for the same amount of mana.
Isn't that what haste does? It let's you attack on the first turn you cast it?
Costs though too much to be any fun. Despotic Scepter is definately a combo with him.
Got eight mana and you can finish 'em with a swing for seven? Go for it. Eight mana? Yes. Equip with Strider Harness for haste after you play him. And with some instant-speed burn/removal you can do a bit to try to keep the number of permanents an odd number when your upkeep rolls around. If you lose it, you can steal it back for your attack with Act of Treason.
It's hardly the best big red creature out there, but it's not horrible and it's dripping with red flavor.
This card can be terribly annoying - having to keep track of the number of permanents all the time?
Might be cool comboed with Blinking Spirit to control the number of permanents at the end of your opponent's turn.
Also, at that size, I wonder why they did not make him a Giant Warrior or something.