Why is this banned? Doesn't seem that good, like a reverse The Rack.
thespectre
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(4 votes)
blackvise is great when combined with decks that force an opponent to hold cards in hand such as land destruction, or simply blue decks that can force your opponent to draw cards on your turn, and on their's they take damage. And if some one is playing sellbook with a hand full of cards or library of leng it punishes them.
klaff
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0)(5 votes)
I would imagine its banned because playing it first turn is a lightning bolt that sticks around and punishes your opponent afterward. You're guaranteed to hit them for 3 damage first turn, and will likely hit for 2 or 3 the following. Combine this with effects that make all players draw cards and it brutalizes an opponent.
This is a powerful classic card that definitely should have been 2 or 3 to cast. A first turn Black Vise will generally guarantee at least 5 damage to your opponent. It's even worse for them if they are playing a slow deck. The potential for such a quick, cheap advantage is too good. 5/5
xanzurth
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0)(5 votes)
Turn 1: Play Swamp, tap, play dark ritual, play 3 black vises, pass turn
Opponet: 7 cards in hand,take nine damage. Draw, play land "maybe," play one drop spell "maybe"?
Turn 2: Play Island, tap, play ancetral recall, opponent draw 3 cards, pass turn.
Opponent: 9 cards in hand, take 15 damage, lose game.
Kartakass
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0)(7 votes)
Black Vise in itself isn't that big of a deal. Multiple vises, as someone said before, ARE a big deal. And with the same CC (colorless even) as Lightning Bolt it's a very brutal card.
Black Vise was responsible for a lot of heated arguments in my playgroup 15 years ago when we played casually. So we banned it as a houserule. You have to consider that in the Ice Age/4th edition period, a game of Magic was a lot slower than it is now. So if someone got a Black Vise out in the first turn, it was usually good for a solid 6 to 10 damage. Playing multiple vises would get you punched in the face. It was definitely the most annoying card you could face. A particular evil deck I had in those days had 4 Black Vise, 4 Necropotence, 4 Dark Ritual, 4 Strip Mine, 4 Sinkhole, 4 Boomerang and other bounce spells, a few Demonic Consultation and Ivory Tower to stay alive. Black Vise was/is still one of the best answers to Necropotence.
spectermonger
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(4 votes)
This is a stupidly cheap card, but in today's environment, they could legalize it in Legacy. If they ban this in that format, they might as well ban dredge as well. Cards like these made stroke and others extremely fun to play. Did I mention that this also adds to tolarian academy mana?
Duskdale_Wurm
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Awesome c.l.a.s.s.i.c!
TheSuperbloop
★★☆☆☆ (2.9/5.0)(4 votes)
Pretty darn effiecent for costing only 1 colorless mana...
When used early on, it gurantees that a decent chunk of damage will be dealt. Later on, though, it obviously looses its stellar, outside of card draw decks. Thus, I like The Rack better...
Play this with The Rack and it won't matter how many cards your opponent has.
forumbrowser
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Bouv10 Er...that's not quite right. They can have 3 or 4 cards and take no damage.
@EpicBroccoli The voodoo doll shows up in lots of cards and it's always getting pwned in some way. Look at Wall of Wonder (original art), The Rack, Voodoo Doll. Pretty sure there are a few more that I don't remember.
On the card, brutal with bouncing and land destruction. Of course land destruction is brutal by itself but hey, for the price of 1, this makes it that much worse.
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Turn 2 - Howling Mine
Turn 3 - Underworld Dreams
Turn 4 - Font of Mythos
Turn 5 - Underworld Dreams again and Sign in Blood
Opponet: 7 cards in hand,take nine damage. Draw, play land "maybe," play one drop spell "maybe"?
Turn 2: Play Island, tap, play ancetral recall, opponent draw 3 cards, pass turn.
Opponent: 9 cards in hand, take 15 damage, lose game.
Black Vise was responsible for a lot of heated arguments in my playgroup 15 years ago when we played casually. So we banned it as a houserule. You have to consider that in the Ice Age/4th edition period, a game of Magic was a lot slower than it is now. So if someone got a Black Vise out in the first turn, it was usually good for a solid 6 to 10 damage. Playing multiple vises would get you punched in the face. It was definitely the most annoying card you could face. A particular evil deck I had in those days had 4 Black Vise, 4 Necropotence, 4 Dark Ritual, 4 Strip Mine, 4 Sinkhole, 4 Boomerang and other bounce spells, a few Demonic Consultation and Ivory Tower to stay alive. Black Vise was/is still one of the best answers to Necropotence.
When used early on, it gurantees that a decent chunk of damage will be dealt. Later on, though, it obviously looses its stellar, outside of card draw decks. Thus, I like The Rack better...
Er...that's not quite right. They can have 3 or 4 cards and take no damage.
@EpicBroccoli
The voodoo doll shows up in lots of cards and it's always getting pwned in some way. Look at Wall of Wonder (original art), The Rack, Voodoo Doll. Pretty sure there are a few more that I don't remember.
On the card, brutal with bouncing and land destruction. Of course land destruction is brutal by itself but hey, for the price of 1, this makes it that much worse.