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Jokulmorder

Multiverse ID: 121198

Jokulmorder

Comments (46)

PhantomdotEXE
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0) (4 votes)
One of the oft-overlooked leviathans.

Huge. Big. Interesting. Weird.

No real comments on this one... the ability that lets it untap when you play islands as opposed to sacing them is nice.

Still, like most leviathans, not that great.
Zulp
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0) (4 votes)
This can actually be efficient when used in conjunction with an Unbender Tine. The land sacrificing is unfortunate, but who wouldn't do that for a 12/12 trampler?
Belz_
★★★★☆ (4.9/5.0) (5 votes)
It's true that its ghastly additional costs make this leviathan unsuitable for most decks. However, with a Cemetery Puca already in play, you can avoid not only the land sacrifice but also the summoning sickness. Simply don't sacrifice a land, pay an extra (1), and voilà!
Wusanderz
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0) (4 votes)
Wow, that's a really good idea Belz_. Still, a CMC of 4BlueBlueBlue is too much for most constructed decks. Best leave this for casual tables.
KarlStalker88
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0) (2 votes)
You better have a trick up your sleeve or some balls playing this guy. To risky for me, my dad plays a the zendikar vampire deck so feast of bloods and deathtouch is always up his sleeve. Good against inexperienced players or if you can win right away with him.
Ragamander
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0) (4 votes)
Volrath's Shapeshifter and Dimir Doppelganger would be good ways of essentially getting this into play both quickly and in a non-suicidal manner.

Alternately, hilarious with Phyrexian Dreadnought and Vedalken Orrery/Aluren. In response to the sacrifice trigger (choosing to sacrifice itself), play the Dreadnought and sacrifice your Jokulmorder to the Dreadnought. Of course, you'd still have to get it into play in the first place, and you might as well do the same trick with two Phyrexian Dreadnoughts...
Ajani_is_da_man
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0) (2 votes)
*cough* crap rare *cough*
HairlessThoctar
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0) (4 votes)
This may be a cruel and unusual joke that defecates in the face of modern design sensibilities and common sense, but damned if don't look cool.
littlebeast
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0) (6 votes)
Guys. He's a 12/12 with trample. Okay, saccing five lands sucks. But still. And it's certainly a lot better than older leviathans; sacrifice four lands every time you attack? I don't think so.
Actually, this guy is made for comboing with Crucible of Worlds. Seriously.
adam_b
★☆☆☆☆ (1.8/5.0) (2 votes)
here is what will happen
player 1: haha I have 7 lands I sac 5 of them and tap the rest to play my 12/12!
player 2: *taps a plains*
player 1: hey, what are you doing?
player 2: *plays path to exile*
player 1: 0_o
hunted_front
★★★☆☆ (3.9/5.0) (4 votes)
I always used Rimewind Taskmage to untap this card. It's not bad, but it's not amazing either.
klauth
★★★★☆ (4.4/5.0) (7 votes)
Seriously guys, all these talks of combos and not a mention of Stifle?!?
allmighty_abacus
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (8 votes)
Gentlemen, gentlemen... just stifle it as it comes into play, then untap it with either an isochron-sceptered twiddle or murkfiend liege or something similar. The enablers are out there, you just have to look.

Personally Leviathans (and certain Serpents too) are my favorite creature type. Because sometimes even blue has to put down the wizard staff and hang up its cloak and just ruin sh!t with a creature the size of an aircraft carrier. Who says smashy creatures should only be green?
KarmasPayment
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (2 votes)
"Gentlemen, gentlemen... just stifle it as it comes into play, then untap it with either an isochron-sceptered twiddle or murkfiend liege or something similar. The enablers are out there, you just have to look.

Personally Leviathans (and certain Serpents too) are my favorite creature type. Because sometimes even blue has to put down the wizard staff and hang up its cloak and just ruin sh!t with a creature the size of an aircraft carrier. Who says smashy creatures should only be green?
"
-allmighty_abacus

If you know about stifle, then you know about Phyrexian Dreadnought. There's a reason why this card is 25 cents and Dreadnought is $35. xD
aPimpNamedEmrakul
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I laugh when getting him out with Illusionary Mask in casual, then I explain how he's wearing the Mask, like on the very tip of his nose or something, and we all laugh heartily. Then he gets exiled.
TheSwarm
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
I... I dont understand the point of leviathans. At all. its blue. Blue doesnt have 12/12 tramplers for 7 mana. Blue has the craziest game changing spells that bend the very laws of magic, not a card that rapes your manabase. Blue has answers to this card, not this card. I mean seriously. When those lands hit the graveyard nothing would please me more than to unsummon that muther back to where the *** came from.
ItsSlaughteringTime
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
If he only had shroud!
ClockworkSwordfish
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Renegade Doppelganger and you don't even have to sac the lands, though you may as well because you're going to win.
kilovortex
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
almost every big creature has it's draw backs. this guy is freakin' huge. yeah, the having to sac. the lands sucks, but throw some crucible of worlds in and you get them back. also, combo it with "triclopean sight" or "serra's blessing." i guess if you splashed red you could always "fling" him to.
Shinigami-2099
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Robface
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I actually kind of like this card. Biggest leviathan I can remember seeing.
bijart_dauth
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
my biggest problem with this guy is that i cant drop him (at least not efficiently) with Ula's temple. You'll rarely ever get 5 islands in that deck, even if the game takes abnormally long (as those decks run rather few lands sense they don't plan to hard cast much)
djbon2112
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (3 votes)
@TheSwarm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan

Big sea monsters. Sea = Blue, Big Monsters = Huge. The sac'ing because, quote "The Leviathan of the Middle Ages was used as an image of Satan, endangering both God's creatures—by attempting to eat them—and God's creation—by threatening it with upheaval in the waters of Chaos." So, to summon it, you need to give it something (lands) to eat. It's a classic fantasy trope. No flavour problem here.
Dr.Pingas
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
No mention of Ula's Temple yet? Seriously, for the people who don't play one-sided games of "sit down, shuffle up, reveal your opening hand, and explain to your opponent that they already lost", this card, in a deck composed mainly of artifact/creature mana production, with Ula's temple and a little Crab Umbra, is grand. Not of this World to protect it, and Natural Balance to fuel them, and there you go. Save your stifles for your Eater of Days.

Hell, now there's even Collective Voyage to get him out; they still get 5 lands ahead of you, but that's the price you pay for him
endersblade
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Phyrexian Dreadnought + Stifle is much better, easier to use...and also costs a small fortune. Up to you. Go cheap, play a cool blue creature, or spend the bucks and start dropping Dreads.
reaver23
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Singe
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Save yourself a little mana by just dumping this guy and using Body Double to copy it.
Radagast
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
A throwback to the Leviathans of old - a huge creature weighed down by extreme drawbacks. If it had only the land-sac drawback or only the untap drawback, it would have worked.

That being said, it's casting cost is at least low enough to make this card at least interesting, despite its other problems, and it is still better than some Leviathans that have seen print. Still, I doubt this guy seems much play.
TuffWebz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This + Jötun Grunt & Crucible of Worlds, the latter of which others have already mentioned. But the Grunt is what people have been missing. Not amazingly helpful, but synergistic nonetheless.
bowlofgumbo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Pulled this guy in a booster pack. Immediately had to Fling in the trash.
Rocchio
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0) (2 votes)
No lighthouse?
LordRandomness
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The biggest problem with this is that it dies to removal.

Wait, hear me out. If it gets Doom Bladed, your opponent just destroyed five of your lands for {1}{B} as well as taking it out. And it's not easy to set protection up after paying {4}{U}{U}{U}.
Paolino
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
This card follows the ancient tradition of giant sea mosters: epic size, low playability and great artwork!
DoragonShinzui
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
It's a fish that can eat Eldrazi.

Can someone please explain to me why ANY of you people are whining?
Drewsel
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0) (2 votes)
CONSEQUENCES BE DAMNED!
psychichobo
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Well, Warstome Surge should sort out any silly notions about sacrificing lands.

There's also that Return To Ravnica card that gives out dead creature's power as counters. Could be nice.
enjoy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
use in your mimeoplasm edh to pump your general if death's shadow isn't in your graveyard or you have to recast him
azeul1
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Renegade doppelganger? 4x
Walking Atlas ~~! 4x

Oh yeah! Dont sac the land! just let it go into teh gravewyard , maybe a little flash clone ;)

Some others...
Brainstorm..
Polymorph.... Proteus staff :(

- ancestral knowledge?-- (high tide)
sea scryer=


?Cemetery Puca?
Gheridarigaaz
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Forget playing this guy... you can cheat him in via dimir doppelganger
Sasooli
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
If you play this guy in a Quest for Ula's Temple deck the land sacrifice becomes a little less painful: since your win condition is just dumping fatties for free every turn you no longer care about having a massive mana base, just enough to counter any Naturalizes on the Quest.

Still not an amazingly good card, but definitely worth a one-of in a casual Kraken/Leviathan deck just for the sheer ballsyness of it!
Technetium
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Way too risky. Play it, opponent follows up with Swords to Plowshares/Terror/Terminate.
TPmanW
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Sundial of the Infinite solves all of your problems (except for untapping it).
Kadaver666
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I kind of want to run this in a Stasis Deck LOl
Jdrawer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Why is this not a Whale?
Pongdok
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I want to like it, but one removal spell and your opponent just got 6 for 1. Painful. Should have had shroud. The justification is that this is supposed to be a game ender. It does that, just for the wrong player, more often than not. The only use I could think of for it is a Flayer of the Hatebound graveyard recursion deck, where this is pretty good. Gives Mimeoplasm lots of tokens, too, I guess. Terrible card, but I appreciate a big blue fatty, and the art is neat. 2/5