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Avatar of Hope

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Avatar of Hope

Comments (28)

Mattmedia
★★★☆☆ (3.2/5.0) (2 votes)
needed vigilance, that way he would really save you if you have 3 or less life, other wise it is giving you one more turn.
DoctorKenneth
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0) (6 votes)
So, you're saying if it was given an offensive ability, it would be able to better protect your life total? I guess it could kill your opponent(s) while protecting yourself, thus ending the game before they could kill you, but the issue isn't really vigilance. It doesn't seem to be designed for attacking at all. It needs to be able to protect itself- protection from X, shroud, etc. That's because it will, most likely, be the only thing keeping you from imminent death, and so it's all the more unfortunate if it gets kill-spelled. It'd need a bit of retooling if it was to add anything that fancy, though.

No, if you want to protect yourself at low life totals, maybe Convalescent Care? Some Story Circles, Windborn Muses, even a Moat (against certain strategies). Or just Wrath away opposing armies and hope for the best. The poor Avatar is none too reliable.

Also, one of the poorer illustrations of the Avatar cycle.
Mudbutt_on
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0) (3 votes)
I guess play with Worship? That way being at such low life won't be such a detriment?
Azazyel
★☆☆☆☆ (1.2/5.0) (2 votes)
New art is hilariously crappy. We went from an angelic female figure flying against an overcast sky to some winged, horned centaur... thing... that's just sort of standing there. Ugh.
infernox10
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0) (8 votes)
"If you have 3 or less life, you may pay 6 less to...
Oh wait, he used a Lightning Bolt.
GG, buddy."
Heartbreak_two
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
In itself it's a pretty good card but not good enough in my opinion to have a great role in a deck on itself thus you should use him in combo with something for example: make him indestructible by using for instance Deathless Angel or Indestructibility

That will make a pretty decent defence I think :)
Kirbster
★★★☆☆ (3.3/5.0) (5 votes)
...no, go back to the old art. Magic can never have too many pretty ladies in the pictures.

Anyways, rather than vigilance, the Avatar could benefit from Pious Warrior's reverse-lifelink ability... or maybe just shroud.
raptorman333
★★☆☆☆ (2.0/5.0) (2 votes)
this card is never worth it.
roguepariah
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Casting this and heart of light or inviolability in the same turn can really irk your opponent after they spent time whittling you down to 3 life.
Cheza
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (3 votes)
I don't like the fact that you can pay life to achieve this condition. In addition, like DoctorKenneth had said, it needs another ability to protect itself. However, in contrast to what he said, I wouldn't have added shroud, but flash and some sort of card advantage when it dies.
Larwick
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
I don't understand the hate for the 8th edition art. You're just nostalgic. This art is solid, and fits perfectly with the concept of the card. A very white creature holding it's ground. The colours are wonderful too.
Ferlord
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (1 vote)
I "HOPE" this card gets reprinted!
HA HA HA HA...

HA...


ha?

Get it? Hope? Avatar... of... Hope??? Ha ha?
PurpGuy
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
510.1c A blocked creature assigns its combat damage to the creatures blocking it. If no creatures are currently blocking it (if, for example, they were destroyed or removed from combat), it assigns no combat damage.

I guess this means that if your opponent attacked with, say, three 8/8 creatures, the first two would kill it, be blocked, and even though the Avatar was dead before the third one even did any damage to her, it is still considered to be blocked and does no damage to anyone or anything, unless it has Trample.

Or if they attacked with ten 1/1 Squirrels. Avatar of Hope could block all ten of them.

Combo her with Darksteel Plate, Reya Dawnbringer, Deathless Angel, or Regenerate, and you'd be untouchable, except for Trample.
Nagoragama
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0) (1 vote)
I don't understand why they gave it this new art in 8th. It looks awful. Go look at the Prophecy printing for the far superior art.

Also, should have been 5 life and had vigilance.
Cloudchaser.Kestrel
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
transcendence - need more be said?
LordRandomness
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
Basilisk Collar! Wheee.
franconbean
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
prototype of fateful hour?
Totema
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Of course it's bad against burn decks. That's like saying life gain is bad against mill decks. Um, duh.
jfre81
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
"If you have 3 or less life, you may pay 6 less to...
Oh wait, he used a Lightning Bolt.
GG, buddy."


"But wait, I use one of those mana I saved to play Healing Salve! You and your Lightning Bolt can stick it!"

Good card, great concept. Many times coming out on the wrong end of things I wish I had one of these in my hand.
Celerus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Terrible card. Should be 10 or less life.
TheWrathofShane
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0) (1 vote)
I used to think this card was the bomb. But now I know better. 3 life is a dangerous place to be. Shes to fragile in terms of removal, and she needs vigilance.

6WhiteWhite is too much for a 6/9 flying blocker. Though I would love to hear some amazing 1 in 100 game comeback story's.

If you look at the other Avatar Cycle, they all have 1 static ability and an interesting ability. So maybe the problem was they overestimated the 2nd ability. If you want to be true to the cycle, it should have been 7 life or something. Like I said before, 3 life is way to dangerous.
Sage_Phoenix
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Good in Fateful Hour decks.
fourismith
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Could go quite well with Lich?
Mode
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
If this got a creature type update according to its 8th Edition artwork, this would now be something messy, possibly a Satyr Centaur Pegasus Avatar. Or simply a Chimera Avatar.
Buderus
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
oh, nobody mentioned bubble matrix yet
sweetgab
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
One of my friends once played a game starting with T1 Swamp, Blood Celebrant, T2 Plains, activate Blood Celebrant 17 times (ending with a white mana), Avatar of Hope. His opponent promptly showed him a turn two Volcanic Hammer.