The worst of the primordials, but could be fun in EDH "Sorry, I had to take out your creature because it was too much of a threat, but here's some life in return"
SyntheticDreamer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.7/5.0)(3 votes)
Swords to Plowshares Primordial. Utter garbage. Even in EDH there's better ways to do what this thing strives to do.
mpitcock
★★★★☆ (4.1/5.0)(5 votes)
Norn, I've seen that you and Swords to Plowshares have been hanging out alot. What and interesting child you've had
Purplerooster
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(3 votes)
Expensive, doesn't win the game immediately, but still pretty solid fatty that'll take away their best threat.
LordOfTheFlies87
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Commander gold. Wow.
flavioal28
★★☆☆☆ (2.2/5.0)(2 votes)
I understand that each Primordial has an ETB ability associated with their color, but Swords to Plow is good because it is an exile spell at 1 mana, wich is really good. When you have the same effect on a 7 mana creature, it isn't that good anymore. While it is useful, it could have been just exile without the lifegain and it would have been much better, without being overpowered
accsavious
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Group hug!
GearLeader
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Oh multiplayer games just got interesting.
DacenOctavio
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(2 votes)
Why are you all complaining? White just got a giant vigilant Shriekmaw. Clone your primordials for maximum fun!
Yes, Swords to Plowshares is great because it's a one-mana spell... but this (and his buddies) are all abuseable with their ETB triggers, over and over and over again Mimic Vat, Cloudshift, Clone, bounce blink copy etc and, unlike Swords, this hits all opponents at the table, likely 3 creatures instead of just one.
EDH is a format that really works best with permanents (especially repeatable effects) and this cycle is perfect: they are expensive, which is fair; beefy, which is fun; scales to the number of players; with potentially game-changing effects!
Smoke_Stack
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I know Swords to Plowshares is supposedly good but I'm not a fan. There's waaaay better removal in white without giving you opponent life (o-ring anyone?). unwrapped a copy and its gathering dust. for 7 mana I want something really massive. Only time I could see this being good is if your opponent had a small creature with a great abiliy (Krenko, Mob Boss or the like).
OrgasmandTea
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I can see that wizards are trying to cater to multiplayer and other games besides just constructed, and I really appreciate that, but I was still underwhelmed to pull this instead of a rare I'd actually have liked.
EyeballFrog
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I dub thee Swords to Primordial.
Radagast
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
A bit weak for its size, but it exiles multiple targets, which is staggering in Commander.
Heaven help your foes if you start Flickering this - watch all the creatures go away, forever.
AncientTimer
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
One of the best of primordials because in white there are so many ways to abuse ETB effects. Same with the blue primordial.
The_Trendkill
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(2 votes)
The primordials were all obviously designed for Commander and similar multiplayer formats, and all of them have the potential to wreck your opponents. Swords to Plowshares is no joke, but it's usually much better at instant speed than it is during your main phase. This goes for all the primordials, but finding a way to flash this thing onto the battlefield is an absolutely crushing play.
5/5 for being EDH gold. 2/5 for being really over-expensive in heads up play.
3.5/5 sounds fair to me.
auriscope
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
@mdakw576: There are very few similarities between this as Duplicant. Our favorite metal guy will usually net you more than four power, doesn't give the enemy life, and is colorless (playable in colors that lack powerful spot removal). Life totals do matter in EDH more than you suggest, especially if there are utility generals like Azusa involved.
mdakw576
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Why is this being rated so low? Obviously it's not that good in standard, but in EDH this is basically a duplicant that costs 1 more mana but can hit more creatures. Lifegain hardly matters in EDH anyway.
@mdakw576: There are very few similarities between this as Duplicant. Our favorite metal guy will usually net you more than four power, doesn't give the enemy life, and is colorless (playable in colors that lack powerful spot removal). Life totals do matter in EDH more than you suggest, especially if there are utility generals like Azusa involved.
All I'm going to say is that you are playing either duplicant or this guy primarily for its exile removal, and everything else about the cards are just bonuses (or weaknesses). Luminate does said primary job better than Duplicant, hence there will be very few decks that would want to use duplicant if they have access to Luminate.
In standard control, this takes out a creature for good and leaves a beefy 4/7 vigilance threat. Might be overpriced by like 1 mana, but I like it. Also good for EDH format.
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"Sorry, I had to take out your creature because it was too much of a threat, but here's some life in return"
but this (and his buddies) are all abuseable with their ETB triggers, over and over and over again
Mimic Vat, Cloudshift, Clone, bounce blink copy etc
and, unlike Swords, this hits all opponents at the table, likely 3 creatures instead of just one.
EDH is a format that really works best with permanents (especially repeatable effects) and this cycle is perfect:
they are expensive, which is fair;
beefy, which is fun;
scales to the number of players;
with potentially game-changing effects!
Heaven help your foes if you start Flickering this - watch all the creatures go away, forever.
5/5 for being EDH gold.
2/5 for being really over-expensive in heads up play.
3.5/5 sounds fair to me.
@mdakw576: There are very few similarities between this as Duplicant. Our favorite metal guy will usually net you more than four power, doesn't give the enemy life, and is colorless (playable in colors that lack powerful spot removal). Life totals do matter in EDH more than you suggest, especially if there are utility generals like Azusa involved.
All I'm going to say is that you are playing either duplicant or this guy primarily for its exile removal, and everything else about the cards are just bonuses (or weaknesses). Luminate does said primary job better than Duplicant, hence there will be very few decks that would want to use duplicant if they have access to Luminate.