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this card is the same person as phage (flavorally speaking), a real sad transformation at that.

that's not very inept

Really sad? Really cool if you ask me.
I didn't know that Braids, Cabal Minion turned her into Phage for a long time, but once i noticed it it's a pretty cool thing when recognizing the similarity in the artworks. Although Phages face looks a very tiny bit broader.

Cards like that are actually the reason why i don't like the Planeswalker subtype. Legends from different time spans like Jeska and Phage can be cast next to each other, yet Ajani Goldmane and Ajani Vengeant can't?

Pretty ironic that it wins in a fight against an attacking Phage the untouchable for 3 less mana (3 first strike dama then tap to finish her off), pretty good card by itself, a nice card for Tenza, Godo's Maul 5/3 FS, haste, trample, tim? yes please.

@Dragon_Whelp: In fact you CAN block and then ping. After blockers have been declared, before combat damage is dealt, there's a 'window' for players to play spells/activate abilities.

The only thing the new rules changed is that a creature that leaves play after being blocked (such as by sacrificing or returning to hand) will not deal any combat damage. A creature becoming tapped after blocking/being block will change nothing, and the rest of combat will carry on as usual.

@Dragon_Whelp: Learn magic rules first BLEEP, be flamboyant later BLEEP, declare blockers, tap jeska target the same attacking creature you blocked with jeska = 4 dmg BLEEP!!!

Actually using Tenza, Godo's Maul would make her a 6/4 Trample, first strike, haste. This card is very cool for its low cost and useful effect. I think she would make a nice edition to most burn red decks. She should not be under estimated, after all she is Phage.

I'm gonna come right out and say this since this rules debate is the topic of this discussion:

NORMALLY, without first strike and with damage not being on the stack any longer, Jeska would die to Phage. (Which would be flavorful if it were true...)

BUT, Jeska has first strike. This means, as we all know, that she deals damage first. SO, Jeska could deal damage before normal combat damage is applied, then tap to deal 1 killing Phage. It feels like damage on the stack but its not.

I'm not sure if this is what Exterion had in mind when he commented but it turns out he is right now. Same goes for vardaris; its not clear what you meant but you're right so don't be hate'n!

Also, rk post is, "The Meng," and you can quote me on that.

I'd like to see her as a Planeswalker, as in the books of that block her Spark ignites and she gets to meet Karn on Mirrodin at the end. That'd be pretty friggin' rad, I'd say.

That, and bring Urza to the party while you're at it!

@Kurraga: Does not compute with stupid new combat rules, BLEEP! Damage be applied before ability can be used, BLEEP! No innovation whatsoever, BLEEP!

EDIT: I stand corrected. Bleep?

Well, if you compare her abilities wit Kamahl, Pit Fighter's... yeah, she really looks like what his little sister is supposed to be.

the only problem with the 'Jeska vs. Phage' scenario is: are you seriously intending to leave a hasty red creature open to block? ever? if you KNEW Phage was coming...no, not even then- swing in as much as possilbe before she comes up, to kill the other player before they can resolve Phage.

Phage on the board is...Untouchable?
stop.
Hammer Time.

but seriously, even if 'there are ways', you dont want to be looking across the table at Phage.
of course she's not 'auto-lose'. not even enemy Phage is REALLY 'auto-lose', but she's close enough. If at all possible, the best thing is to get her while she's in their library, their hand, or on the stack.

She's black, so think very carefully before messing with her in the grave, as they might decide to go ahead and find some convoluted way to zombify her to YOUR side. like putting liliana's ultimate on the stack, but before it resolves play a donate-effect...one of the meanest kills Ive ever seen. the victim was mad.

so, Jeska's good, sure, but stop pretending she's in the same league as Phage. she isn't. Jace Beleren is 'good', but that doesn't make him anywhere near Mindsculptor-good.

sword of kaldra

Wait, wait. Temper of Steel? Temper Steel... Tempered Steel?

Oh yeah? Now that my Jeska has resolved, you want to kill her? No! She'll kill herself first.

*Ping*

I would totally have her babies. That is all.

@Darthparallax
But Phage is actually pretty bad. In fact, this card is way better. 7 mana 4/4? Really? Not exactly exciting. Needs other cards to do work? Even worse! She's cute against people who have no creatures or removal but that's about it. Jeska, on the other hand, always does something worth your time, even if that is eating removal and pinging the opponent in response

If anyone didn't know, Jeska eventually became a planeswalker, and then sacrificed herself to cause the Mending to happen. This is after turning into Phage the Untouchable and back a few times. I highly suggest you read more about her online if you're like me, and you're new to the game but didn't know this storyline. This card should definitely not get less than 5 stars. If it was printed today, sure, it would cost 1 less, but that's not overly important. The art is amazing.

@Mode.
Cards like that are actually the reason why i don't like the Planeswalker subtype. Legends from different time spans like Jeska and Phage can be cast next to each other, yet Ajani Goldmane and Ajani Vengeant can't?

The way I think of it is that there can only be one planeswalker spark. If you cast the same creature, regardless of shape, form, or time continuum, you separate the spark and dispel them both.

If you can give her vigilance somehow, nasty.

Lols, you can cast her and then have her kill herself instantly. You know, for those masochistic decks.