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Chisei, Heart of Oceans

Multiverse ID: 74096

Chisei, Heart of Oceans

Comments (27)

SavageBrain89
★★☆☆☆ (2.5/5.0) (5 votes)
This card is amazing with wither creatures; other than that its just kinda average.
Mode
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0) (2 votes)
You're right, but that guy also loves cumulative upkeep cards, or Dark Depths, then you'll certainly always have something to remove.
Etregan
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (3 votes)
Its helpful with Persist and fits River Kelpie's color.
Ven0
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
I have one in a deck with several Chronozoa's. Pretty cool speed up for that as well.
cats_and_me
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
Interesting role player that can be returned to play by giving it persist or playing Makeshift Mannequin and have it remove the counter on the next upkeep! :)
hid@n
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0) (2 votes)
Not very good in a normal situation, but it can be very intreresting to play with and helpful if you construct a deck around it. It is perfect with cumualtive upkeep and Unstable Mutation.
TheSwarm
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0) (2 votes)
Paradox Haze andChronozoa, the way I see it your getting babies just about every turn
channelblaze
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (3 votes)
I like with cumulative upkeep, personally. But yeah, these are all pretty cool combos, you know =)
Nagoragama
★☆☆☆☆ (1.5/5.0) (3 votes)
What is with all the 4 mana 4/4 fliers in blue with a rather sizable drawback? Almost none of them are worth it these days (or even in those days).
Enemy_Tricolor
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (10 votes)
This drawback isn't a drawback at all in the right deck. Solid card.
Lord_of_Tresserhorn
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (5 votes)
Om Nom, Dali-esque Spirit love these crunchy age counters from cu.mulative upkeep cards.
Tetsu_tora
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0) (7 votes)
Chisei, chock full of suck.
Seriously why do I wanna play this? His kyumulative upkeep blows and he does nothing but fly.
oh wait, -1/-1 counters. Nope, still sucks.
djflo
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
@Tetsu - a. it doesn't have cu mulative upkeep;
b. this works great with a bunch of stuff, including cu mulative upkeep and a lot of the cards mentioned here.
TDL
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0) (5 votes)
Yet another card based off of an Un-card. Although I don't see what exactly a legendary spirit that flies has to do with a Hungry Hungry Heifer.
Rufus_D
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
Of course its going to be a drawback in a deck where the only counters in the deck are +1/+1s (or where there are no counters at all O.o), but as has been said, include a few cards where you want to be removing counters from your guys and he becomes a cheaper Air Elemental with a helpful ability :)
Cyberium
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (2 votes)
Decree of Silence works too, provide longevity to the enchantment.

That said, Chisei is NOT a gimmick card. It will take combinations and the right deck to work it out, but it's rewarding.
Biggles
★★★★☆ (4.2/5.0) (2 votes)
Wow, actually works well with Golden Urn. Well, there's a first time for everything.
Paolino
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (3 votes)
Polar Kraken. There can be better options, but "better" can be intended in a lot of ways... it is subjective! :)

Moreover in Italian "chi sei?" means "who are you?", and this makes this character more mysterious.
Arachnos
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Chronozoa is fun with this guy, yet another way to feed him is Dark Depths. Sure you'll have to sacrifice him after 10 turns (less if you removed more than one counter per turn), but by then, well, you have a 20/20 indestructible flyer.

Oh, and two more words. Cumulative. Upkeep.
Smoke_Stack
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
unless this is in a persist or undying deck I don't see how its good. I'd rather have a vanilla 4/4 flyer for 4 in most blue decks than this guy. I must be missing something...
enjoy
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
combos with decree of silence
COUNTER EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
Burnwright
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Chisei, Heart of Oceans + Dark Depths.
Bangyourmash
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
This card is pretty snazzy with illusionary wall.
Lord_of_phyrexia
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Use it against infect decks.
Mirrordin_Pure
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Simic undying welcomes an old friend.
cotf1692
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0) (1 vote)
Arbiter of the Ideal seems nice, since the counters are just there to remind you the permanent is an enchantment.
@Smoke_Stack
I am pretty sure there aren't any 4/4 vanilla flyers for 4, because that would be pretty insane. They usually need to have some kind of draw back.