I hate this card so much. I understand the benefits of the Invasion leeches, but this has no upside. A 4/4 for 4? Ridiculous.
darkcider
★★★☆☆ (3.6/5.0)(5 votes)
people you need to open your eyes more to the possibilities, say bazaar trader it to your opponent then magical hack it to whatever corlor/colors there playing and thats a VERY difficult lock to get out of.
jeff-heikkinen
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(6 votes)
This looks really bad by current standards, but when it was printed 4/4 for 4 was very respectable. (In casual, being a Thrull didn't exactly hurt either.) It's also splashable, so you could play it as the only black card in your deck, getting a cheap (by the standards of the time) fatty that couldn't be Terrored and ignoring the drawback.
Unfortunately, few cards have been hurt more by the general improvement in the quality of creatures over the years than Derelor.
@Darkrider - a three-card combo, one of them a 1/1 creature you need to untap with to pull it off, that doesn't win the game and gives my opponent a free 4/4? Colour me unimpressed.
I agree with Jeff on all points. 3 cards should be a win, but you're basically giving them an unblockable 4/4 (as you'll have wasted 2 cards if you kill it) and all it does is inconvenience most decks. Any deck with green or is multi-colored in general may very well have:
-produce mana color that an opponent could produce -choose a color, you produce that color -produce any color (maybe with some drawback)
and further, there's TONS and TONS of ways to sacrifice creatures, destroy/kill creatures etc. And again, it doesn't even win you the game, it just forces the opponent to do something... one of many many things. Personally I'd likely either have the black mana or having something like Ashnod's Altar.
Further, it also is vulnerable 3 times to counterspells, gives two removal spell options, is screwed against something that prohibits player targeting, creature targeting, or similar, and is vulnerable to stifle and similar effects. Basically every possible way to generate a "counter" (via illegal targets etc..) is open to the player to perform. Flicker effects, Snakeform, vines of vastwood, stifle, all these in different ways screw up the possible combo terribly.
@Vega how so? Other than for awesome flavor it combos terribly as this doesn't change the CMC of spells, merely makes them cost one more. Similar to how Manaplasm would work in any situation that a spell now costs more (such as with trinisphere.)
Likewise, trinisphere doesn't do anything special with Transmute mechanics or similar, it just makes things cost something different than their CMC.
DacenOctavio
★★★☆☆ (3.7/5.0)(5 votes)
If it's so bad you have to Donate it, then it's bad. You hand this crap to me in a game, and I'm gonna turn it into a dragon token with Sarkhan the Mad, stupid.
__Silence__
★★★☆☆ (3.5/5.0)(2 votes)
@VegaSecureA That isn't really a combo unless your talking about getting 4 1/1 Thrulls with this guy. His ability doesn't change the Converted Mana Cost of black creatures it simply makes you pay extra to play them. Although I can understand the confusion.
DoDaDippity
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
Every copy of this card should be collected, placed on a rocket and fired directly into the Sun. All records of it should be scoured from the internet. It should not be mentioned aloud, ala Voldemort's name in the Harry Potter world to rid us of this abomination of a card. Couldn't resist. :)
BongRipper420
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Interesting mechanic, but nowadays this would be printed costing and be a 5/5 or something. That being said it'd be interesting to see a card with a similar ability printed. It's very black.
Zylo-
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@darkcider
I agree with you... Everyone is rating this card down because it looks crappy on the surface.. Every card has a purpose!
This card wants to be played in an Esper deck, then have you cast Pillory of the sleepless onto him and switcheroo it for your opponents fatty....
I love this card. It makes you think of a new way to use cards and pull tricks on your opponents....
It won't ever see constructed play but I love cards like this to build some really fun and interesting casual decks.
Chris_Zurfluh
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
The only real combo I can think of with this guy is him making Living End cost {B}
TheWrathofShane
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Okay its bad, but back then you could run x2-x4 and have this as your only black card. 4/4 for 4 was respectable back in the day.
In its own environment, 3.5/5 It was build around but still playable.
Salient
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
You have to pay the troll toll to get into this thrull's soul...
Comments (14)
Unfortunately, few cards have been hurt more by the general improvement in the quality of creatures over the years than Derelor.
@Darkrider - a three-card combo, one of them a 1/1 creature you need to untap with to pull it off, that doesn't win the game and gives my opponent a free 4/4? Colour me unimpressed.
-produce mana color that an opponent could produce
-choose a color, you produce that color
-produce any color (maybe with some drawback)
and further, there's TONS and TONS of ways to sacrifice creatures, destroy/kill creatures etc. And again, it doesn't even win you the game, it just forces the opponent to do something... one of many many things. Personally I'd likely either have the black mana or having something like Ashnod's Altar.
Further, it also is vulnerable 3 times to counterspells, gives two removal spell options, is screwed against something that prohibits player targeting, creature targeting, or similar, and is vulnerable to stifle and similar effects. Basically every possible way to generate a "counter" (via illegal targets etc..) is open to the player to perform. Flicker effects, Snakeform, vines of vastwood, stifle, all these in different ways screw up the possible combo terribly.
@Vega
how so? Other than for awesome flavor it combos terribly as this doesn't change the CMC of spells, merely makes them cost one more. Similar to how Manaplasm would work in any situation that a spell now costs more (such as with trinisphere.)
Likewise, trinisphere doesn't do anything special with Transmute mechanics or similar, it just makes things cost something different than their CMC.
I agree with you... Everyone is rating this card down because it looks crappy on the surface.. Every card has a purpose!
This card wants to be played in an Esper deck, then have you cast Pillory of the sleepless onto him and switcheroo it for your opponents fatty....
I love this card. It makes you think of a new way to use cards and pull tricks on your opponents....
It won't ever see constructed play but I love cards like this to build some really fun and interesting casual decks.
In its own environment, 3.5/5
It was build around but still playable.