Kinda useful, Demonic and Vamp have it beat tho, Cruel Tutor is about the same.
izzet_guild_mage
★★★★☆ (4.0/5.0)(4 votes)
Not bad, not bad at all.
Sironos
★☆☆☆☆ (1.4/5.0)(10 votes)
So many better tutors out there.
ultratog1028
★★★☆☆ (3.8/5.0)(6 votes)
@Sironos: Yeah, and all those tutors happen to be restricted in Type 1. Think Dark Ritual. Yeah suddenly this card isn't bad in vintage/legacy.
Guest738348951
★☆☆☆☆ (1.1/5.0)(6 votes)
This is what happens when a card is banned/restricted. Demonic Tutor ~ $10.00 Grim Tutor ~ $200.00 REALLY!!! I've got 4+ Demonics and 0 Grims. Restriction sucks!!! I'll probably play Diabolics and save $800 and 12 life. *~)
It's a mid-range tutor with a very small drawback. There's not much point in comparing it to other tutors, it usually boils down to 1) Does it put the card right into your hand? and 2) How much mana do it cost? This one's flavor text is pretty prophetic, though – punish it! Give it the banhammer!! Otherwise those greedy players will never learn to rely on chance and actually have some differentiated fun.
James00086
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Play with R&D's Secret Lair. The original text says nothing about shuffling your library.
DarthParallax
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
it's less about Bans/Restrictions than it is about Rarity. Supply and Demand.
Check out From the Vault: Exiled: every one of those cards was banned, and many are still banned. Even the 'money' rare of the set is only worth $40, not $200. That's because they all got reprinted, increasing the supply, helping people who want them, to have them.
Banning a card ALWAYS reduces it's price. ALWAYS. because the card is no longer useable in tournaments where you can win big money and make it worth it to buy these pieces of paper.
But, Not-Reprinting an even Medium-Powerful card for a very long time always INCREASES its price. Check out how Doubling Season had been creeping up for some time before the Judge Promo and the Modern Masters copies started alleviating the stress on the Market.
Demonic Tutor, banned or not, is worth $20 because it was in Duel Decks, the second-largest Reprint Entry for a card besides an actual Standard-legal Expansion set.
Grim Tutor I think is just barely fair today, at either Rare or Mythic Rare. It might be safe for Standard, but probably isn't for Modern. It would *still* be highly sought after, and would probably only lose $100 value.
Yawgmoth's Will is Restricted in Vintage and only costs $20 by the way. It's not Reserved, they could us more if they want (I think). But the longer they don't, the higher it's price will climb.
Power Level and Format Legality is a factor, but only two factors out of many. Learn Economics if you want to talk about it.
Mental Misstep is often- not always but often- better than Force of Will. It costs 0 mana and some life to counter spells that are fast.
Force of Will can be played at any time during a counter spell battle (which Misstep probably can't), BUT it costs a card. When Force of Will is the first counterspell, second spell being cast in the turn, it's much better-- but you probably only want to cast 1 Force of Will in the game. Casting 3 is *definitely* going to put you behind unless your deck exploits its graveyard.
Casting 3 Mental Missteps puts you in virtually no worse position than casting 1. 6 life and 2 life aren't much different in formats where just surviving on 1 life for another turn can mean you will definitely win the game.
Basically, Timmy Logic never, ever applies in Legacy and Vintage. Even the 'big creatures' are evaluated with the Spikiest of Spike priorities in mind- which is why Dark Confidant is as good as Tarmogoyf, and Tarmogoyf is only 1 among many 2-drops in Legacy, as opposed to the Lord of the Format as in Modern.
EGarrett01
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
So the Grim Tutor is Obi-Wan Kenobi?
Maxofthehouse
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.5/5.0)(1 vote)
I was going to say it is worse than Cruel Tutor, but you could abuse the loophole to use it to read your library...
Ligerman30
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
@Eluem Legacy w/o force of will would be run by turn 1 combo decks.
Aquillion
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Guest738348951@ : It's not expensive purely because it's unrestricted; it's also expensive because very few copies exist. There are way more copies of Demonic Tutor out there, since it was printed in many sets, all of which got a larger printing than Portal.
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Demonic Tutor ~ $10.00
Grim Tutor ~ $200.00
REALLY!!! I've got 4+ Demonics and 0 Grims. Restriction sucks!!! I'll probably play Diabolics and save $800 and 12 life. *~)
mental misstep and force of will say otherwise
Mental misstep is illegal for a reason... and force of will should be.
Check out From the Vault: Exiled: every one of those cards was banned, and many are still banned. Even the 'money' rare of the set is only worth $40, not $200. That's because they all got reprinted, increasing the supply, helping people who want them, to have them.
Banning a card ALWAYS reduces it's price. ALWAYS. because the card is no longer useable in tournaments where you can win big money and make it worth it to buy these pieces of paper.
But, Not-Reprinting an even Medium-Powerful card for a very long time always INCREASES its price. Check out how Doubling Season had been creeping up for some time before the Judge Promo and the Modern Masters copies started alleviating the stress on the Market.
Demonic Tutor, banned or not, is worth $20 because it was in Duel Decks, the second-largest Reprint Entry for a card besides an actual Standard-legal Expansion set.
Grim Tutor I think is just barely fair today, at either Rare or Mythic Rare. It might be safe for Standard, but probably isn't for Modern. It would *still* be highly sought after, and would probably only lose $100 value.
Yawgmoth's Will is Restricted in Vintage and only costs $20 by the way. It's not Reserved, they could us more if they want (I think). But the longer they don't, the higher it's price will climb.
Power Level and Format Legality is a factor, but only two factors out of many. Learn Economics if you want to talk about it.
Mental Misstep is often- not always but often- better than Force of Will. It costs 0 mana and some life to counter spells that are fast.
Force of Will can be played at any time during a counter spell battle (which Misstep probably can't), BUT it costs a card. When Force of Will is the first counterspell, second spell being cast in the turn, it's much better-- but you probably only want to cast 1 Force of Will in the game. Casting 3 is *definitely* going to put you behind unless your deck exploits its graveyard.
Casting 3 Mental Missteps puts you in virtually no worse position than casting 1. 6 life and 2 life aren't much different in formats where just surviving on 1 life for another turn can mean you will definitely win the game.
Basically, Timmy Logic never, ever applies in Legacy and Vintage. Even the 'big creatures' are evaluated with the Spikiest of Spike priorities in mind- which is why Dark Confidant is as good as Tarmogoyf, and Tarmogoyf is only 1 among many 2-drops in Legacy, as opposed to the Lord of the Format as in Modern.