Mhhh, I like it and it works perfectly well - especially with Circu, Dimir Lobotomist for a 10-card-mill (you could call it substitute for Glimpse the Unthinkable as long as I don't have this amazing card...)! But I got a question:
Since it sais "As you play/cast this spell..." can my opponent tap/kill my creatures away before I get a chance to copy it?! Would be really helpful to know...^^
Best regards from Hamburg
person1234
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(5 votes)
@Schlappi No your opponent can't respond and kill your creatures to stop the conspire. Since it says "As you play this spell" its an additional cost you pay as you play the spell. You never pass priority as you play this so they can't respond.
BladeAce
★☆☆☆☆ (1.3/5.0)(3 votes)
Relentless rats after a good thruming stone on turn four and this is a huge mill
Turn one land, turn two land, turn three land, dark ritual, thruming stone, turn four relentless rats and thurmingstone trigger for at least 28 rats and throw with the one mana untaped Memory Sluice conspiring the 28 relentles rats for a 56 card mill on turn four.
GradiustheFox
★★☆☆☆ (2.8/5.0)(2 votes)
I wouldn't say Tome Scour is flat out better.. It's a one card advantage, in return for a less versatile cost and less potential. Not to mention that Scour is a bratty kid erasing a spell book and this is two creepy merguys sluicing your memories. Also, does Conspire really stack like that? That seems rather abusable.
Orim-s_Thunder
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(6 votes)
I like how they've been making mill decks rely on creatures, which makes them more interactive.
SpencerDub
★★★★☆ (4.8/5.0)(4 votes)
I like this card. Without Conspire, it would hardly be able to hold a candle to Tome Scour, but the Conspire effect makes it very interesting. It's a slightly worse Tome Scour without Conspire, but with it, it's better-- almost Glimpse the Unthinkable quality. It's like cards with kicker in that it doesn't strictly outclass either Tome Scour or Glimpse, but due to its flexibility, it's worth keeping around.
NecroticNobody
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(2 votes)
Good card, but I have a couple of questions about Conspire: Does the copy gain the Conspire ability? And can I tap four or more creatures to copy the spell more than once? I've never played Shadowmoor before and I'm looking to place this in my Blue/Black EDH deck. So thanks to whomever replies with the answers.
KikiJikiTiki
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(4 votes)
"You may pay a spell's conspire cost only once. (If a spell has multiple instances of conspire, you may pay each conspire cost only once.)" "A copy created with conspire will have a conspire ability itself. However, since that copy wasn't played, its conspire ability won't trigger. You won't get another copy." I figured I'd clear this up for some people. I think the second part also answers a question. In any case, this card won't mill for more than 8, which is perfectly fine by me. 4.5/5
defuse
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
Should have been instant.
Bursama
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(3 votes)
In my opinion, this is WAY better than Tome Scour. This trigger Circu, Dimir Lobotomist twice, and it can be conspired. My usual start: 1) Island, Hedron Crab 2) Hedron Crab, Polluted Delta, search for swamp, play this with conspire. 2 turns, 20 cards milled. Not bad, eh?
DacenOctavio
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
My guess is this wasn't as awesome in Shadowmoor block as it is everywhere else; I'm not happy about giving my opponent free Retrace spells. Still, solid mill card. If mill was a solid deck, I would consider this card for it.
iUseBreakOpen
☆☆☆☆☆ (0.0/5.0)
I would like this card much more if the Conspire cost was tapping 1 creature instead of 2.
Totema
★★★★★ (5.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Nice synergy with Undead Alchemist, and one of my win conditions in my casual mill deck.
DoragonShinzui
★★★☆☆ (3.0/5.0)(1 vote)
Even without conspire, this is most of a Tome Scour with a more flexible cost.
With conspire, though, this can hit for big.
patronofthesound
★★★★☆ (4.5/5.0)(3 votes)
This is not a slightly worse tome scour when the conspire is inactive. This has a hybrid mana cost, and is a 10x sicker card than scour. Just a level or two under glimpse really.
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That said,
GIVE ME MOAR
Since it sais "As you play/cast this spell..." can my opponent tap/kill my creatures away before I get a chance to copy it?! Would be really helpful to know...^^
Best regards from Hamburg
No your opponent can't respond and kill your creatures to stop the conspire. Since it says "As you play this spell" its an additional cost you pay as you play the spell. You never pass priority as you play this so they can't respond.
Turn one land, turn two land, turn three land, dark ritual, thruming stone, turn four relentless rats and thurmingstone trigger for at least 28 rats and throw with the one mana untaped Memory Sluice conspiring the 28 relentles rats for a 56 card mill on turn four.
Also, does Conspire really stack like that? That seems rather abusable.
"A copy created with conspire will have a conspire ability itself. However, since that copy wasn't played, its conspire ability won't trigger. You won't get another copy."
I figured I'd clear this up for some people. I think the second part also answers a question. In any case, this card won't mill for more than 8, which is perfectly fine by me.
4.5/5
This trigger Circu, Dimir Lobotomist twice, and it can be conspired.
My usual start:
1) Island, Hedron Crab
2) Hedron Crab, Polluted Delta, search for swamp, play this with conspire.
2 turns, 20 cards milled. Not bad, eh?
With conspire, though, this can hit for big.
Great common